Originally posted by PontifexMaximus
[b]I guess I beg to differ...It's a bit ironic you chose the Denon for it's supposed build quality when the Denon models seem to have more build quality issues than the Yamahas have had. I know all we have is anecdotal reports so far but if Denon is having problems building a simple remote, including the Denon you bought for that matter, what other issues are there in that more complex big black box?
Quality of the amps? I haven't seen anything to suggest Denon's amps are better than the Yamahas amps. Please relay some facts/figures because I think the amps in any A/V receiver tend to be overrated. The only thing I've found to be of value is a THX certification, because then I know the amps had to pass a high standard of quality and high output to get the THX stamp of approval on it.
Preamp? The Denon may have Burr-Brown DACs, but it takes more than a set of Burr-Brown DACs to make good sound. All I know is that the DACs in the Yamaha were highly commended in the Audioholics review.
Also, the Denon doesn't have all the really cool DSP settings the Yamahas have with CinemaDSP. I find myself using the "Adventure" and "Spectacle" settings more and more all the time.
Video switching bandwidth? Denon's got the Yamaha there. Denon states 100Mhz; Yamaha states 60Mhz. My understanding is that you only need 40Mhz for HD signals; and I've also come across a rumor that the Denon rating of 100Mhz is overinflated. To be determined I guess...
Remote? Well, as long as you don't get a defective one I guess.
Component inputs? Definite advantage to the Denon...if you need 3 inputs instead of 2.
Personally, I think all the receivers of this quality should have started incorporating HDMI.
But there are so many other features to compare and take into consideration as well such as THX processing/certification, inclusion of microphone, 10-band vs. 8-band parametric equalizer, audio delay for adjusting lip synch (Denon may have this I'm not sure), etc, and in the end it does comes down to your personal tastes and which you find sounds better in your room, with your speakers. I know that's such a cliched disclaimer around here, but it's true. I just would be careful about labelling this specific Denon component a better built component than the Yamaha RX-V2400/1400 as that is truly a mixed bag. Build quality of both brands have their pluses and minuses. I know I will be very interested to see the Audioholics review of the 3805 when that finally comes out.
Hey man, you can differ all you want! That's cool! If we all thought alike, it would be a dull world, wouldn't it? Please allow me to pontificate a bitScratch that, that's your department. I'll just share with you more of my thought process when I made that earlier post.
Here's what I said:I considered the 2400, but chose the Denon for the quality of the amps, preamp, superior video switching bandwidth, the remote, and 3 component inputs vs. 2. Make no mistake, the 2400 is a fine piece, but for me, the 3805 was worth the difference.
I was one who had an initially defective remote. The dealer swapped mine out immediately and the replacement works fine. About the remote itself, I'm quite pleased with its functionality, but do find myself wishing for a little more brightness of illumination behind the functions. I only run into this problem when I'm reading the manual with a bright light over my shoulder, and look at the remote simultaneously. The bright reading light washes out the illumination of the remote. In normal lighting, the remote is fine.
It is many individual's and reviewer's opinions that Denon amps in general, sound better than Yamaha's. That's my opinion too, and I'm entitled to it, just as you are to yours.
- Denon, again is acknowledged by many to employ some of the finest Preamp topology and quality DSP & DAC's in the industry.
- Analog Devices HammerHead SHARC 32 bit floating point DSP processors
- 16 (count em) Burr-Brown PCM-1791 24 bit, 192 kHz high resolution DACs on all eight channels, in differential configuration
- 24 bit, 192 kHz Digital Interface Receiver, 24 bit, 192 kHz A/D conversion (Burr-Brown PCM-1804) on all Stereo analog inputs.
To make a long story short, I spent time pouring over the specs of these two receivers, and you can too, if you're interested in why I decided as I did. FWIW, the video bandwidth is specified to 100MHz -3db. That's not fluff, it's qualified. Does today's HDTV need that bandwidth? No. Do I want as much future prooffness as possible? Of course I do. If you'll read what I posted earlier, you'll see that I said the 2400 is a fine piece. I mean that, but for me, my $$ went to the 3805. My bux, my choice. You're entitled to yours.
Regarding the remote I'll bet you that the remotes for both receivers are subbed out to ODM's. No big deal.
Which receiver is better? I agree with you, it's a mixed bag. That's what I said in the first place. My feet voted differently than yours. No big deal. That way competition stays healthy.