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Since the very long and winding original thread on the 7.1 was mercifully closed, if anyone hears anything official regarding a trade-in or upgrade program for RDC-7 owners, please post any info here. Re: other issues, please keep your hands to yourself

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I am interested myself. Do you realize A-Rod's batting average is .111 after Tokyo!!! Thats worth 25 million A-Year.

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"Do you realize A-Rod's batting average is .111 after Tokyo!!! Thats worth 25 million A-Year"

Frank, watch out - your post is way off topic and our dear moderators might close this thread too!

The latest I have heard about the trade-in is that only original owners will qualify so that if you've bought it used and are interested in trading-in your unit you are out of luck.

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Interesting. Well, I bought mine straight up from a solid dealer, so...

As for A-Rod, somehow I think he'll come around

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We still don't know if a trade-in program will also be offered to the owners of the Onkyo 989 and Integra 9.1 receivers. Since the 989 and 9.1 receivers were just as future-proof as the RDC-7 I think that Onkyo should offer a trade-in program to all flagship owners.

I'm also very interested in how much the trade-in will cost. Maybe it will be free?

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check out this link http://www.cinenow.com/us/reportage.php/sid,840/ for some cool photos of the new Integra receiver and universal player.

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Nice find Raz, thanks.

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I just came back from Montreal and the Festival Son & Image.
Onkyo had a big exhibit with tons of gear, and had the lid off a few pieces, like in the previous photos. Very nice looking under the hood !


What kind of trade-in deals are you guys possibly hoping for ?
70% ? 60% ? 50% ? ... ?
In the end, will it be a "deal" ? Will everyone be happy ?
Let's face it, used gear is typically worth 50%-60% of MSRP max, according to the "bible" of used pricing -> Audiogon ads.

I owned an Onkyo TX-DS989 and once did the $50 upgrade for DPL-2.
But I have been a long-time EAD owner too and have gone through many models over the years.
Sure I could have kept 1 unit and upgraded it continuously over the years.
But there is an upgrade cost, versus selling what you have, and buying something already newer/upgraded. Often, this comes out cheaper in the long-run.

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Andy, the issue is that if every RDC7 owner runs to sell their RDC7's at the same time, the used market price will drop rapidly (or, inventory will sit unsold, gathering moss). SO at the margin, yes, for one RDC7 owner, it may be possible to do better financially by selling your RDC7 used and buying a 7.1 new (as opposed to an 'official' trade-in). But for *all* RDC7 owners, that is almost certainly not the case as the 'mass' selling would have a negative effect on prices as I mentioned.

Also, particularly if, as we hope, the trade-in is made at a price such that IR is subsidizing current owners by reducing its margins on the new product(what Lexicon does with its trade-ins), this would make a trade-in an even better route.

There is also the hassle factor to consider...selling a piece of equipment on audiogon or ebay...and you have a relationship on your hands. Trade it in to IR, and you're done. And if they use their dealer network to facilitate the trades (again, as does Lexicon), then you don't have to worry about shipping either.

There was a thread on another site where our collective temperatures were taken, not sure if you saw it. People seemed to settle on around $2000 (plus your RDC7) to purchase a 7.1 as functional as a 7 (in other words, with some, but not all, modules included for the $2000). Additional modules would be purchased at MSRP (or whatever 'normal' discount you could negotiate with your dealer).

We'll see, and fingers are still very much crossed. Hopefully if and when an announcement is made we'll hear about it here.

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Right now used RDC-7's go for $2000. Brand new units can be found for $2500. I sold mine a few weeks ago for $2200. New RDC-7.1's will probably be available for 20% off, that's $3200 for a base unit. If you sell your RDC-7 for $2200 then you'd only have to spend $1000 out of your pocket for a base-unit.

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Anthony:
Yes, but not every owner will sell ASAP, and I suspect that number will be very very small as the new features are mostly likey not "must have" for a large majority of owners . Only a few of us online addicts are on top of the latest breaking news, and demand the latest and greatest features, and want to pay as little as possible. The fact that you may see a handful for sale at Audiogon is a pinhead compared to total units sold.

As you are "in the know", you should hedge your bets and sell now before the word gets out which may reduce the value of your uinit. Yes ? Currently there are none listed at Audiogon.

Also, a brand-new unit is always worth more than an upgraded older unit, even if the manufacturer says they are 100% identical. That's just the mentality out there at the buy & sell sites. But in the IR case, it will require a unit swap, not internal board upgrades, so you will have a brand new full-value unit.

Selling is always a hassle. So by rights, not having to dispose of your old unit yourself is worth something to you, so you should expect an even lower trade-in value from IR. Yes ?

Personally, I think a 50% trade-in value is fair ... to both IR, their dealers, and the end-users. Let us not forget there are dealers involved who also need to be compensated, if an upgrade path is offered to end-users. To think a dealer should be shut-out of upgrade profits, however small, is unrealistic.

Who knows what internal political forces are at play and how they view loyal customers versus maximizing profit. I guess we'll see what happens soon enough

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So Razvanel, what did you get to replace your RDC-7?

I hope the upgrade offer is decent. You have to factor in the selling dealer. Will you be able to get the unit for less than msrp in addition to the trade-in value? Integra Research does not authorize online sales so you will be at the mercy of your nearest dealer. With the press the RDC-7.1 is getting I doubt discounts will be that great for a while.

One other great aspect of the RDC-7.1 is it looks exactly like the RDC-7. When I do upgrade the wife will be clueless

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Sorry, slightly off topic but didn't want to start a new thread. Is there rack mount capability with the RDC-7 / RDC-7.1? Or would I have to buy a Middle Atlantic conversion shelf?
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When is this RDC-7.1 suppose to be available?

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When is this RDC-7.1 suppose to be available?

They are now saying late June.

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Ugh. Probably delayed while they figure out the trade in

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Is there rack mount capability with the RDC-7 / RDC-7.1? Or would I have to buy a Middle Atlantic conversion shelf?

Wow, it's not often that a manufacturer is more responsive than AVS Forum members. Within 24 hours, I received an e-mail from IR stating that there is no rack mount capability for IR products so a shelf would be required. This surprises me since their products are designed with integration and custom installers in mind.
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"So Razvanel, what did you get to replace your RDC-7?"

Nothing. I'm waiting for the RDC-7.1 to come out. If the RDC-7.1 has the same bass management problems as the RDC-7 - totally unacceptable for such an expensive processor - then I'll buy a Lexicon or a Krell.

"I hope the upgrade offer is decent."

It could be free.

"Integra Research does not authorize online sales so you will be at the mercy of your nearest dealer."

Not really. I bought the RDC-7 from an out of state dealer at a great discount and no tax.

"With the press the RDC-7.1 is getting I doubt discounts will be that great for a while."

You're wrong about that. I called a few IR dealers and they are already offering discounts.

"One other great aspect of the RDC-7.1 is it looks exactly like the RDC-7."

Maybe it won't look exactly like the RDC-7 after all. gspr.com still doesn't have the new photos of the RDC-7.1.

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Thanks R, you answered all my questions. I don't know how you can go that long without a processor, however. I believe the photos of the 7.1 at the CES in Vegas show the front to be a clone of the 7

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This RDC-7.1 sounds better and better.

Anyone know if they will support HDMI v2.0 when it comes out?

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"Thanks R, you answered all my questions."

Frank, my pleasure!

"I don't know how you can go that long without a processor."

It's not that hard! In fact life is more relaxed without a processor.

"I believe the photos of the 7.1 at the CES in Vegas show the front to be a clone of the 7"

That's true but IR might change the front. One of the reasons some RDC-7 owners felt entitled to a trade-in was that the new RDC-7.1 looked the same as the RDC-7. At CES the new Onkyo and Integra flagship receivers looked different from the Onkyo 989 and Integra 9.1 receivers and yet the RDC-7.1 looked the same as the RDC-7... You have probably noticed that, of all Onkyo flagship owners, the most vocal in asking for a trade-in were the RDC-7 owners.

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Like Raz, I have found >1 dealer willing to sell the 7.1 at below MSRP.

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PS - just got an update (of sorts) from IR that they're still working on it, finalizing details, will make word available on their site, etc. The bad news is that actual shipping could still be "a few month" out though obviously they could surprise us.

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According to the latest Sound & Vision magazine the new Onkyo TX-NR1000 receiver will sell for $4500 ( that's $500 more than it was previously announced) while a fully loaded Integra DTR-10.5 receiver will cost $4600 ( $3500 for the base unit). There's no mention of the RDC-7.1 in the magazine.

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Originally posted by Harlan
Anyone know if they will support HDMI v2.0 when it comes out?

The initial version of the HDMI module is reported to be v1.0. Integra Research said that they are working on a HDMI v2.0 module with a fall release date. Given the delay of the RDC-7.1 to "late June," I would not expect to see the newer HDMI module before the end of the year.

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I called IR today and was told that the RDC-7.1 will be available mid-July.

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Originally posted by Razvanel
I called IR today and was told that the RDC-7.1 will be available mid-July.

Thanks for keeping us updated on the release date!
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Slipping slipping....ah well, nature of the beast I guess.

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I went to the Bangkok Hi-Fi 2004 show yesterday and they had a 7.1 on static display.

My mate snapped a couple of pics with his phone camera. I'll post them once he emails them to me.

My only comments from this brief look are that it is huge (bigger than the Yamaha Z9), and the case looks beautiful and is clearly designed for easy access to the innards for adding cards.

I wasn't able to pick up any additional info other than it will be on sale here in "two months".
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"My mate snapped a couple of pics with his phone camera. I'll post them once he emails them to me."

Thanks, can't wait to see them!

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I went to the Bangkok Hi-Fi 2004 show yesterday and they had a 7.1 on static display.

My mate snapped a couple of pics with his phone camera. I'll post them once he emails them to me.


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