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The Panasonic XR50 has a 100Hz crossover, the Kenwood VRS-7100 reportedly uses a 80Hz crossover.

Do we know what that crossovers are on Panasonic XR70 and Onkyo LR552?

I remember the 7100 having a 100hz x over I beleive.
I ran all the receivers in the large setting and did not need to adjust them though.
The JVC has 60-80hz and up x over settings.
I beleive the xr70 is 100hz,and I am not sure on the Onkyo.

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I remember the 7100 having a 100hz x over I beleive.
I ran all the receivers in the large setting and did not need to adjust them though.
The JVC has 60-80hz and up x over settings.
I beleive the xr70 is 100hz,and I am not sure on the Onkyo.

In this post, a member notes that they measured the Kenwood's crossover at 80Hz.

If anyone buys the Onkyo, please report on its crossover.
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Are any of these low cost digi-cievers stable into 4 ohm loads (other than the Sonys)?

I am thinking of using one of these digi-ceivers downstream from an active crossover as an amp to bi-amp some speakers I am making, but the woofer/mids will show as a 4 ohm load. They should be crossed around 3.5kHz, so if the only problem with using a 4 ohm load is high frequency rolloff it won't be an issue.
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Originally posted by Alan Gouger
Yes I did see this. Its very big and Im sure its responsible for part of the weight. It also tells me its not a pure digital path.

I'm not sure how you've come to this conclusion. There wasn't a switching power supply large enough to supply the amount of power they needed to feed their switching transisitors, so they used a huge honking torroid.

That doesn't change whether it's a digital path or not. It's only a power supply.
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If I am only going to use the analog inputs on one of these digi-ceivers (for biamping a pair of speakers) do they sound noticably better than a comparably priced analog unit?

Is the Panny XR50 the best unit (except maybe the XR70) for this?
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The Onkyo has a 60/80/100/120 crossover section.
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So I read the first page of this thread listing the Sony models but the Sony ES 2000 was not on the list then a poster later listed it.

Are the ES 2000 and ES 3000 digitally amped? What is the current opinion on these boxes. I did find out threads where the ES series had lots of recalls earlier this year and at one point Sony pulled all stock on them back to the factory for reworking but that now all is well and people like them...//

I need one of these digital recievers in the 110w and up power range, preferrably 120-130 watt per channel.

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Somewhere in these posts someone said that the Kenwood had better ADC's than the panny for the analog inputs and thought the Panny was slightly better with digital sources. I haven't tested the Panny and the only thing that has analog sources that I use on the Kenwood is a VCR.

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Well, tested the Onkyo LR-522 and found:
The Onkyo seems better built and offers nicer audio features than the panasonic/kenwood/jvc's...it has better crossover selection 60/80/100/120hz and it has a direct audio feature for stereo playback that bypasses all unnecessary circuitry. The sound is quite good and opens up after about 100 hours. The only drawback seems to be lack of power or more accurately lack of the ability to drive lower impedance loads. I had it shut down on me while playing loud dvd passages through my Onix Rockets. But I'm guessing it shut down due to the loads because it did play quite loud. The Rockets consist of a large 4 ohm center and large 6 ohm mains that probably dip in impedance below 4 ohms. And it does get warm. Otherwise the unit seems to be really nice including the remote.
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Originally posted by BobL
Somewhere in these posts someone said that the Kenwood had better ADC's than the panny for the analog inputs and thought the Panny was slightly better with digital sources. I haven't tested the Panny and the only thing that has analog sources that I use on the Kenwood is a VCR.

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The Kenwood lacks an analog 5.1 input, so it won't work for for my bi-amping project.
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I had not seen this posted, but I am resesarching it for purchase. I think Alan is on to something with these new digital type recievers.



SA-XR70s

Expected Availability November 2004

Dolby Digital Decoder 1 Yes (Dolby Digital EX)
DTS Decoder 2 Yes (DTS-ES, NEO:6, DTS 96/24)
Dolby Pro Logic Surround 3 Yes (Pro Logic II)
Large Speaker Terminals Yes (Speaker A only)
6-Ch Discrete Inputs Yes
Amplifier Type High Efficiency Digital Amplifier
SFC (Sound Field Control) Music: Live, Pop/Rock, Vocal, Jazz, Dance, Party
Video/Movie: Drama, Action, Sports, Musical, Game, Mono
Digital Synthesizer Tuner Yes (Frequency Range - FM Tuner: 87.9-107.9MHz, AM Tuner: 530-1710kHz)
Subwoofer Output Yes
Remote Control Illuminated Universal Remote Control
Speaker Size Configuration large/small/none (except left/right channels) Speaker Selector A and/or B
Output Power - Stereo Mode 100W per channel (20Hz - 20kHz, 6 ohms, 0.09% THD)
Energy Star Qualified No view
Frequency Response 4Hz - 88kHz, ±3dB
S/N Ratio (IHF A) Digital Input: 85dB (103dB, IHF'66)
Load Impedance 6-8 ohms
omponent Video Switching Yes (2 inputs, 1 output)
Output Power - Home Theater Mode 100W per channel (6 channels, 1kHz, 6 ohms, 0.9% THD)
DVD-Audio Ready Yes
Multi-Source Re-Master Processing Yes
S-Video Inputs/Outputs 3 in, 1 out
Video Inputs/Outputs 4 in, 2 out
Digital Inputs/Outputs 4 in (2 optical, 2 coaxial), 1 out (optical)
Audio Inputs/Outputs 5 in, 2 out
HDMI Input/Output Yes
Full-Digital Processing Yes
Dimensions (H x W x D) 39/32'' x 1615/16'' x 1413/16''
Weight 9.4 lbs

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Originally posted by ZZtop
I had not seen this posted, but I am resesarching it for purchase. I think Alan is on to something with these new digital type recievers.



SA-XR70s

Expected Availability November 2004

Dolby Digital Decoder 1 Yes (Dolby Digital EX)
DTS Decoder 2 Yes (DTS-ES, NEO:6, DTS 96/24)
Dolby Pro Logic Surround 3 Yes (Pro Logic II)
Large Speaker Terminals Yes (Speaker A only)
6-Ch Discrete Inputs Yes
Amplifier Type High Efficiency Digital Amplifier
SFC (Sound Field Control) Music: Live, Pop/Rock, Vocal, Jazz, Dance, Party
Video/Movie: Drama, Action, Sports, Musical, Game, Mono
Digital Synthesizer Tuner Yes (Frequency Range - FM Tuner: 87.9-107.9MHz, AM Tuner: 530-1710kHz)
Subwoofer Output Yes
Remote Control Illuminated Universal Remote Control
Speaker Size Configuration large/small/none (except left/right channels) Speaker Selector A and/or B
Output Power - Stereo Mode 100W per channel (20Hz - 20kHz, 6 ohms, 0.09% THD)
Energy Star Qualified No view
Frequency Response 4Hz - 88kHz, ±3dB
S/N Ratio (IHF A) Digital Input: 85dB (103dB, IHF'66)
Load Impedance 6-8 ohms
omponent Video Switching Yes (2 inputs, 1 output)
Output Power - Home Theater Mode 100W per channel (6 channels, 1kHz, 6 ohms, 0.9% THD)
DVD-Audio Ready Yes
Multi-Source Re-Master Processing Yes
S-Video Inputs/Outputs 3 in, 1 out
Video Inputs/Outputs 4 in, 2 out
Digital Inputs/Outputs 4 in (2 optical, 2 coaxial), 1 out (optical)
Audio Inputs/Outputs 5 in, 2 out
HDMI Input/Output Yes
Full-Digital Processing Yes
Dimensions (H x W x D) 39/32'' x 1615/16'' x 1413/16''
Weight 9.4 lbs

Thanks. The specs look almost identical to any other SA-XR receiver. BTW, I'm almost certain that the SA-XR70 will have DPL IIx, not just DPL II.

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I need to do a side by side comparison with the Kenwood 7100 and someone who is more knowledgeable perhaps can address the DACS in the Pan SA-XR70S vs the Ken 7100.

At first glance the SA-XR70S has got less power than the Kenwood unless I misread something. I wonder if thats not a typo as its the same power out rating they list for their SA-XR50S



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Originally posted by AkaStp
Both are 100W into 6 ohms.

Not sure when you say "both" if you mean both Pan 50 & 70 , or both the 7100 and a pan,but I should clarify what I posted, the Kenwood 7100 shows:

Maximum Surround Power: 130 Watts x 6 (1kHz, 10% THD, 6 ohms)

I am still wondering if the docs on the Pan site have a typo for the Pan 70 as it seems to match the Pan 50 as of this time/date.

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I'd be more inclined to get it at J&R. $269 delivered. No tax, free shipping.
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.proc...eed.JVC+RXF10S

That JVC is down to 249 + free shipping now, I am researching the unit tonight.

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Originally posted by Patrick TX
I'd be more inclined to get it at J&R. $269 delivered. No tax, free shipping.
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.proc...eed.JVC+RXF10S

That JVC is down to 249 + free shipping now, I am researching the unit tonight.

It has an assignable coax digtal and a bass boost function among other things.

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Originally posted by Patrick TX
I'd be more inclined to get it at J&R. $269 delivered. No tax, free shipping.
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.proc...eed.JVC+RXF10S

That JVC is down to 249 + free shipping now, I am researching the unit tonight.

# Delivers 100 Watts per channel Stereo or to 6 channel surround
# Smart Surround Setup 2.0
# DVD Multi-Channel Audio
# Bass Boost
# DSP Digital Equalizer
# Enhanced AV COMPU LINK control system
# Dot-Matrix fluorescent display with dimmer
# Digital Tuner with 15 AM and 30 FM presets
# Audio Analog: 4 outputs, 3 inputs -- Audio Digital with 3 Optical inputs and one output, with assignable coaxial input
# Video & S-Video: 3 inputs, 3 outputs
# Output for powered subwoofer
# Includes remote control
# Headphone output (headphones optional)
# Dimensions(WxHxD): 17-3/16" x 2-13/16" x 13"
# Color: Silver

I note the bass boost, out for powered subwoofer and the AV compulink control system.

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What happens if you use these digital amp'd recievers into a 4 ohm load?
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Originally posted by ZZtop
That JVC is down to 249 + free shipping now, I am researching the unit tonight.

# Delivers 100 Watts per channel Stereo or to 6 channel surround
# Smart Surround Setup 2.0
# DVD Multi-Channel Audio
# Bass Boost
# DSP Digital Equalizer
# Enhanced AV COMPU LINK control system
# Dot-Matrix fluorescent display with dimmer
# Digital Tuner with 15 AM and 30 FM presets
# Audio Analog: 4 outputs, 3 inputs -- Audio Digital with 3 Optical inputs and one output, with assignable coaxial input
# Video & S-Video: 3 inputs, 3 outputs
# Output for powered subwoofer
# Includes remote control
# Headphone output (headphones optional)
# Dimensions(WxHxD): 17-3/16" x 2-13/16" x 13"
# Color: Silver

I note the bass boost, out for powered subwoofer and the AV compulink control system.

But does it have 5.1 channel analog inputs?
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Originally posted by AkaStp
Just discovered another digital receiver:

Sherwood R-903 TruDigital 6.1 A/V Receiver. MSRP $599.95 Like all the others, it is rated at 100W X 6 into 6 ohms. Weighs in at 17lbs. Doesn't appear to have PLIIx. Can't tell if it has 5.1 inputs analog or component video inputs/switching.

After blowing up the rear panel shot in Photoshop and trying to clean it up it does have a multichannel input. There are 8 RCA jacks. I can't tell if it's a 6.1 input with a subwoofer output, or 5.1 input with 2 subwoofer outputs. The jack's colors seem to match the colors of the 6 speaker outputs, so it looks like it's a 6.1 input.

Who even sells Sherwood? Seems like there won't be a lot of deals on this one.
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Originally posted by AkaStp
I discovered that Sherwood digital recvr at J&R...

http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=3969665

It's a bit of a drive to NYC to get one.
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anyone know the dimmensions of the kenwood VRS-7100?
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Does anyone know if the xr70 has an OSD and component upconversion?
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[quote]Originally posted by Stereodude
[b]After blowing up the rear panel shot in Photoshop and trying to clean it up it does have a multichannel input. There are 8 RCA jacks. I can't tell if it's a 6.1 input with a subwoofer output, or 5.1 input with 2 subwoofer outputs. The jack's colors seem to match the colors of the 6 speaker outputs, so it looks like it's a 6.1 input.


The JVC RX-10 has 5.1 inputs whith the sub, center and rear rca ins in one section, and the front two channels seperate on the other end.



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Originally posted by Stereodude
The Kenwood lacks an analog 5.1 input, so it won't work for for my bi-amping project.

I don't see how you can bi amp while using 5.1 analog inputs, unless you have a source whith two sets of analog multi channel outs.



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Greg,
Stereodude will use only the multichannel inputs. He either has a source selector or only one source. He then needs a Y-splitter to connect the stereo signal to 4 of the multichannel inputs. Now one can use the 4 channels to biamp in stereo.
This is exactly the approach John of Newform Research popularised with the Panasonic. Except John, uses a digital crossover and uses his speakers without the crossover.
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Since I don't see the Sherwood specs either :
SHERWOOD R-903 TruDigital 6.1 A/V Receiver Specs


100 Watts x 6
Equibit TruDigital Amplifier for all Channels
Includes virtually all Surround sound formats, including DTS-ES and Matrix, Dolby Digital Surround EX, DTS Neo:6, Dolby Pro Logic II (Movie and Music), Dolby Virtual Surround
19 DSP modes
2 Optical digital inputs -- 1 Coaxial
Preprogrammed Remote Control with Macro Capability
Frequency response: 20Hz to 22kHz
S/N Ratio: > 95dB
Crystal CS-49326 24-bit digital processor
Subwoofer preamp output
Pink noise generator for surround sound balancing
Advanced AM/FM Tuner w/ 30 station presets
Headphone jack (headphones sold separately)
24K Gold plated Input / Output jacks
Dimensions: 2-5/8"H x 17-1/8"W x 10"D; weighs 17 pounds
3 year limited Warranty

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Originally posted by Earz
I don't see how you can bi amp while using 5.1 analog inputs, unless you have a source whith two sets of analog multi channel outs.



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I am only going to use 1 source. I will feed that source into a Behringer Ultradrive Pro DCX2496 crossover. That will give me 5 channels (L&R high, L&R low, and 1 subwoofer). These 5 channels will go into one of these digital recievers via the 5.1 (or hopefully 6.1) channel inputs.

I am only bi-amping (or hopefully tri-amping) a pair of stereo speakers, not a full 5.1 setup. That is why/how I can do it with one of these as long as it has 5.1 (or hopefully 6.1) analog inputs.
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Originally posted by Stereodude
I am only going to use 1 source. I will feed that source into a Behringer Ultradrive Pro DCX2496 crossover. That will give me 5 channels (L&R high, L&R low, and 1 subwoofer). These 5 channels will go into one of these digital recievers via the 5.1 (or hopefully 6.1) channel inputs.

I am only bi-amping (or hopefully tri-amping) a pair of stereo speakers, not a full 5.1 setup. That is why/how I can do it with one of these as long as it has 5.1 (or hopefully 6.1) analog inputs.

If you can get by whith 5.1 analog inputs, the RX-10 does have the best sonics of the following receivers through analog imo.

Pany 25
Pany 45
Kenwood 7100...2 channel only
Harmon Kardon 2005

If you go to www.audicircle.com you can most likely find comparisons of the RX-10's analog ins to the Pany 50, and possibly other models also.

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Originally posted by Earz
If you can get by whith 5.1 analog inputs, the RX-10 does have the best sonics of the following receivers through analog imo.

Pany 25
Pany 45
Kenwood 7100...2 channel only
Harmon Kardon 2005

If you go to www.audicircle.com you can most likely find comparisons of the RX-10's analog ins to the Pany 50, and possibly other models also.

Greg

Have you used a JVC yourself and can confirm it really has 5.1 analog inputs? I can't find the model on the JVC site, or any pictures of the rear panel, and I don't see the 5.1 inputs mentioned anywhere, so I'm a little skeptical.

Personally, I'm hoping the Sherwood actually has a 6.1 input so I can triamp the speakers. I'm pretty sure I will be putting 2 8 ohm mid woofers in these speakers so the reciever needs to be able to either drive a 4 ohm load for the mid-woofers section, or have a 6.1 input so I can drive each 8 ohm mid/woof seperately (but with the same signal). What concerns me is that none of these units seem to say what exactly happens with a 4 ohm load.

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