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post #631 of 1899 Old 12-02-2004, 08:10 PM
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Listening to digital cable feeding the XR70 via the optical input I turned down the volume and shut off my cable receiver. The then put the Panny to full volume "0". The center/all spkrs were all but completely silent. Putting my db meter 1 foot to the center spkr set to 90db and the meter read nothing. Not very scientific but I hope this helps. No hiss at all.
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Have you turned on the 'HQ Sound Mode' ?
HQ SoundMode, increases/decreases the power supply voltage instead of digital altering the input data to reduce its value. Since in HQSound Mode the input data is never altered, the range is limited by how much the voltage power supply voltage could be varied.

Both Rick and Michael, please post your impressions of the XR70 with details about your system. Appreciate that (I have the XR50 and looking to 'upgrade' to the XR70).

Are you sure that's what the HQ Sound mode does? All I see in the manual is that it shuts off the display and video switching sections. Does anyone know for sure whether the xr70 attenuates volume digitally or by varying the voltage? TIA
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Originally posted by beowulf7
I don't see the Panasonic SA-XR70 listed for sale on J&R's Panasonic receiver Web page.

I'm confused too. It was my understanding that J&R would not be selling the XR70.

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I'm confused too. It was my understanding that J&R would not be selling the XR70.

I think he might mean the 50 that was out of stock for a while and is now back in stock.

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Saw that J&R had the HK DPR2005 on sale for today only.
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I just purchased the sa-xr70 from J & R this morning. A good price and free shipping. They only have it in silver.
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Originally posted by Yung
Saw that J&R had the HK DPR2005 on sale for today only.

What was the regular and sale price J&R had it on sale for?

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I just purchased the sa-xr70 from J & R this morning. A good price and free shipping. They only have it in silver.

Here's another guy who got the XR70 from J&R.

Are you sure you mean 70 and not 50? Maybe J&R is "unofficially" selling it, as in you have to call in and specifically ask for it.

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j&r has listed xr-70 on their web site, under panasonic receivers. so please don't doubt the people on their intelligence of ordering a xr-70 and not xr-50 :-)
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j&r has listed xr-70 on their web site, under panasonic receivers. so please don't doubt the people on their intelligence of ordering a xr-70 and not xr-50 :-)

At the time I checked J&R's Web site (which was immediately after the first guy said he got the XR70 from J&R), the XR70 was not listed on their Web site.

Today, it is for $400 and free shipping.

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To help clarify the story with J&R, there was 1-2 days where the XR70 wasn't on the website but could be ordered by phone.
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it was there yesterday afternoon on the site and i checked the price over the phone. its very good price :-)
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Originally posted by JohnTheDoe
it was there yesterday afternoon on the site and i checked the price over the phone. its very good price :-)

Is the price different than the $400 mentioned on that J&R Web page?

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yes the phone price is a lot, better than the web price. Ordered one yesterday.
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I guess no one wants to disclose the phone price here.

I'm guess the 'XR70 is $300.

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as per the forum rules, you are not allowed to post the prices.
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I thought that was only for vendors or those in that business.

I've seen price mentioned here all the time. Providing a link to a vendor almost always discloses the price of that product. Maybe the policy recently changed or is recently being enforced.

Alan G., please clarify the rules. Thanks.

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Everyone post prices and sites all the time. Why would it be a problem to let fellow members in on the lowest prces for a product?
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hmm... may be i'm wrong .. i am under impression the posting prices is a NO-NO. May be one of the mods can clarify.
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I believe you are. Retail pricing is not allowed in the Plasma/LCD forum. The rule was invoked because of rampant on-line pricing debates and inquiries for plasma units. So much so that "best price" posts were disrupting the actual intent of that forum. I don't think it's a problem here but I am sure Alan would not hesitate to invoke similiar rules if it arises.

Now where are those digital receivers?
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Well, lets see what happens, I got mine from J&R for $329.00 shipped. They also shipped it out the same day.
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As a reminder I just posted to this forum a copy of the rules that covers pricing.

Just because it is in the rules does not mean we pull every post. A lot of stuff get by.

A post will get pulled if its been reported by members, if a dealer or shill is caught posting pricing, if one of the mods deems it a problem.

We try to be fair across the board. If we let one post stay then we have to let them all stay. I dont see a problem with this thread but if someone else does and starts reporting these then they will be plucked from the thread.
Until that time all is well.

Lets not get off topic and turn this into a " I feel we should be able to post pricing, free speech" thread.
So far this thread is fine, lets get back to Digital HT Receivers
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Alan, Glad you chimed in. I am looking forward to comparing the new panni to my A/V reciever connected to my 200 watt rotel powering my 100db @ 1 watt Klipsch Epics CF3's. Should be interesting.
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Alan, thx for your previous SPL measurements on the Panny. I think the Onkyo hiss may be due to an analog feedback design.

I understand concern of price discussion dominating this thread. However, I am thankful to learn of vendors that have return policies without hefty restocking fees. Currently in my locality of a million people, there are no stores that carry the xr70. Hence the only way for some of us to audition it is through sources that have been mentioned here.

Are there vendors that support AVS that carry the xr70 with liberal return policies?

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Does anyone know if the xr70 will pass 1080i through its component video output if fed from its hdmi input? I'm trying to get an upsampled 1080i dvd signal to my tv but the tv only has component inputs, no hdmi or dvi.
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Does anyone know if the xr70 will pass 1080i through its component video output if fed from its hdmi input? I'm trying to get an upsampled 1080i dvd signal to my tv but the tv only has component inputs, no hdmi or dvi.

Gene,

I am also trying to findout the same, but only with the component INPUT. My DirecTV STB will output high-def with component, DVI/HDCP, or RGB. My Panny DVD player will output upconvert 720p/1080i only with HDMI. My monitor has a DVI/HDCP and I want to use that as the only input with the XR70 as the switcher for both the STB and DVD player. I would only use the XR70's HDMI output since the upconvert DVD player requires HDCP handshaking throughout the signal path.

I don't have any signal sweeping equipment to verify the bandwidth of the input/output and the manual does not specify the Mhz limits of the components input/output. Up until now, I have never really questioned if a receiver or pre-pro accepts high-def through it's INPUT, as the OUTPUT was the only concern. Now that the XR70 has the HDMI out switching capability, the output (at least for me) is no longer a concern.

While Panasonic does not specifically notate that the XR70 components have 720p/1080i pass through capabilities, it does give a explanation of the "Component Video Switching" on the XR70 techspec.

It reads:
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Component video offers outstanding video quality when using a DVD player or HDTV set-top receiver, but many TVs only have one component video input. As your home theater expands to include both a DVD player and HDTV set-top receiver, you'll need more than one component video input to accommodate them. Select receivers let you hook up both your DVD player and HDTV set-top box to the back of the receiver and send a single component video cable to your TV. You can then switch between the two using the receiver.
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The mention of "HDTV set-top recevier" infers high-def pass through this could just be a boiler plate description of the component video switching. Too bad there is nothing more concrete on the component in/outputs. I'll try asking Panasonic's technical support and getting something in writing.
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Does anyone know if the xr70 will pass 1080i through its component video output if fed from its hdmi input?

It's highly unlikely for a product in this price range for it to do any sort of "down" video conversion. And even more-so, for it to convert from HDMI down to component.
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Seems to me that you will need to run both HDMI and component cables to the display. I hope that I'm wrong, but I think that the HDMI output will only pass the digital video input from HDMI - not component. Likewise, the component output will pass the video from the component inputs (with switching available). An extra HDMI input with switching would have been soooo nice, but that only seems available for a substantial increase in price.
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Thanks for the replies, I figured it wouldn't do any upconversion or downconversion or Panasonic would highly advertise it like other avr's.
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Seems to me that you will need to run both HDMI and component cables to the display. I hope that I'm wrong, but I think that the HDMI output will only pass the digital video input from HDMI - not component. Likewise, the component output will pass the video from the component inputs (with switching available). An extra HDMI input with switching would have been soooo nice, but that only seems available for a substantial increase in price.

Gizmo,

You're right, that makes more sense now. It still leaves the question of component ouput bandwidth if used for component switching. And yes, another HDMI input would have been perfect and I'm disappointed that Panasonic left this out.
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