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post #1171 of 1899 Old 06-01-2005, 01:55 PM
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See that J&R lists the power at 100 x 6 even though it's a 7 channel receiver - assume this is a typo.


I looked on the Panasonic web site and it also lists the power as 100 x 6.
Does anyone know where it claims to be a 7 channel receiver?

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I have seen the owners manual. It's 7 channel bi-ampable receiver.

I want to hear opinions from people who don't have a dog in the fight.
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Due to space considerations, I am interested in a digital receiver. My speakers are Newton t300s. The Onkyo 552 is available at a low price and would seem to be a low risk starting point. My only concern is the rated thd of 5%. Should this be a deal breaker? How can it be rated so much higher than the Panasonics?
Does anyone have experience with the Onkyo?
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Could someone tell me where this unit is manufactured?
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The sticker on the bottom of my SA-XR70 says "Made in Malaysia"
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So any word on when the XR55 will ship? Thanks.
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Ok, screw Panasonic. I couldn't wait anymore so I jumped ship and went with a Kenwood VRS7100 which it is available at vanns.com for $250 with free shipping and a free pair of wireless RCA headphones. The XR70 is a bit out of my budget and I believe that the 7100 gives about similar performance as the XR70.
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Ok, screw Panasonic. I couldn't wait anymore so I jumped ship and went with a Kenwood VRS7100 which it is available at vanns.com for $250 with free shipping and a free pair of wireless RCA headphones. The XR70 is a bit out of my budget and I believe that the 7100 gives about similar performance as the XR70.

I respect your decision and your budgetary constraints, however, in my opinion, having owned both units, the sound quality of the XR70 is far superior to that of the 7100. Again, YMMV. I got my XR70 for $330 shipped from J&R.
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I respect your decision and your budgetary constraints, however, in my opinion, having owned both units, the sound quality of the XR70 is far superior to that of the 7100. Again, YMMV. I got my XR70 for $330 shipped from J&R.

And having owned both as well, I feel that the 7100 is superior to the XR70 for music.
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The call in prices at J&R are usually cheaper than what they post on the web. I was intrested in the XR70 as well and was quoted $250 not including shipping. As it is I'm holding out for the XR55.
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Wow, it's been a long time since I last posted on AVS Forum. I'm digging the new layout - it's about time they upgraded to VBulletin 3.x!

So Panasonic now has plans for the SA-XR55? Did they announce a replacement for the SA-XR70 yet? My parents have now had the Kenwood VRS-7100 for about a year now and they like it. It's got great sound and power. I paid a lot more than $250 for it, but then again, I bought it a year ago.

These digi-amp'ed receivers are definitely the wave of the future.

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Pardon my ignorance...

So if you bi-amp your front speakers on either the SA-XR70 or SA-XR55, can you also play the unit in surround mode while leaving the speakers connected in a bi-amped configuration??
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Aloha,

Yes, you can set it up in biamp mode and it still works in surround. At least mine did.
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The way I read the manual you can't run in biamp mode if you are playing from the 6CH input. So if you are listening to a multichannel SACD your front two speakers woulld only be playing on half which would suck.

I have a question if you could use the speaker B for biamping. Can you run speakers A and B at the same time using B to biamp the front two speakers when using 6CH in?
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ALoha,

Never tried an SACD with the xr70 while in biamp mode as my Panny CP72 will not play them. However, with everything else like CDs and Movies, I seemed to get great sound out of all five of my speakers even when I had the fronts biamped.

One caveat, though. Right now I am running an xr45 and an xr25, digitally linked, biamping my front three speakers, and also using each of the rear sixth channels from the receivers to power a quasi 7.1 system. The sound is so much better then the xr70 could put out by itself--even in biamp mode. When running in stereo mode with the xr45/xr25, I am now getting much more bass out of my front two speakers--even my wife was wondering what I had done to get things to sound so much better. Not exactly sure why it would make so much difference, but I am happy with the outcome. The xr70 went right back to the store.
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Long thread. Is there a low profile 7 ch Sony model out yet with Digital amps.

Thanks everyone.
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Never tried an SACD with the xr70 while in biamp mode as my Panny CP72 will not play them. However, with everything else like CDs and Movies, I seemed to get great sound out of all five of my speakers even when I had the fronts biamped.

One caveat, though. Right now I am running an xr45 and an xr25, digitally linked, biamping my front three speakers, and also using each of the rear sixth channels from the receivers to power a quasi 7.1 system. The sound is so much better then the xr70 could put out by itself--even in biamp mode. When running in stereo mode with the xr45/xr25, I am now getting much more bass out of my front two speakers--even my wife was wondering what I had done to get things to sound so much better. Not exactly sure why it would make so much difference, but I am happy with the outcome. The xr70 went right back to the store.


Ok Baba, I'll bite - how do you do this??? I've got an xr-45 in which I have blown out one of the component video inputs due to boneheaded handling. If I could buy a xr-55 to take care of the component switching and still get some use out of the 45 doing what you have done it would make me very happy. Right now i need to switch my cables every time I want to watch a dvd - this makes me very sad. I'm too cheap to just toss the 45, and repairing it would cost almost as much as a new 55.

Specifically the "digitally linked" part I'm not sure how you are doing this - I'm sure it's simple, but I can't picture it.
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Long thread. Is there a low profile 7 ch Sony model out yet with Digital amps.

Thanks everyone.

Yes Alan, there is one. I remember seeing a picture of it here within the last week. I believe it has been announced for Europe or Japan, but not here in the states yet.

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Aloha jsm88,

Its really simple. Although for the real expert on this you should talk to EARZ; he is the man when it comes to this stuff!

I have the optical digital out of each xr receiver going into the optical digital in marked TV on the other receiver--I do not think it matters which input you use. Then you need to make sure you set the two receivers to the same levels and such, and thats it. Either remote controls both.

Of course this will only work when using the digital inputs I would think. Pretty much everything I have is hooked up digitally, and I almost never play the two DVD Audios Discs that I do own.

Just so you know, I almost never notice any improvements with all the various tweaks I read about, but this really works for me. Hope this helps.
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ALoha,

Never tried an SACD with the xr70 while in biamp mode as my Panny CP72 will not play them. However, with everything else like CDs and Movies, I seemed to get great sound out of all five of my speakers even when I had the fronts biamped.

One caveat, though. Right now I am running an xr45 and an xr25, digitally linked, biamping my front three speakers, and also using each of the rear sixth channels from the receivers to power a quasi 7.1 system. The sound is so much better then the xr70 could put out by itself--even in biamp mode. When running in stereo mode with the xr45/xr25, I am now getting much more bass out of my front two speakers--even my wife was wondering what I had done to get things to sound so much better. Not exactly sure why it would make so much difference, but I am happy with the outcome. The xr70 went right back to the store.

I have to wonder though if it wasn't a setup issue if the difference was that dramatic. Don't get me wrong, I too run a pair of Panasonic amps 'digitally linked', but I wouldn't think the difference to a bi-amp XR70 would be that huge.

With these Panasonic amps getting exactly the right config is important as one incorrect setting will 'filter' the sound and leave you with inappropriate ranges going to the speakers. I've seen it where it's a simple as whether the center is set to 'small' or 'large' making a huge difference in the overall sound.
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Aloha Nelid,

Thanks for the reply. Which xr's do you have linked? What speakers are you running?

As for the configuration of my setup, I pretty much always do the same thing--although I have experimented around a bit just for fun. When listening to music, I mostly set it to stereo, have the fronts set on large, and have the sub's crossover set to about 45 to 50 Hrz. If I am watching a movie, I set all the speakers to small, and raise the subs crossover to 100 Hrz. The receiver's crossover is always at 100Hrz of course.

Even though I would not rule out user error--I have made a few doosies in my lifetime--I am pretty sure that it was not the configuration. Also, I thought the xr70 did sound great in biamp mode; it just did not have that extra oomph in the bass that the two linked pannys have.

One other thing is I could not A/B them side by side either. I had to unhook everything and hook it all back up--major pain in the arse with the lack of real estate and spring clips on the back of these things. So by the time I listened to it again, exact comparisons were hard to make.
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Grrrr, why is the XR55 not shipping yet!!!!

I have been without a receiver for 2 weeks now, this is killing me


Could someone make a quick rundown between XR70 and XR55 sound specs?

Seems they are identical, only the XR55 has an upgraded DSP chip. If so, for someone like me who uses the receiver simply as an AMP between HTPC's soundcard and the speakers, would waiting for the XR55 be fruitless then? Since I dont watch movies on this setup, only music.
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Grrrr, why is the XR55 not shipping yet!!!!

I have been without a receiver for 2 weeks now, this is killing me


Could someone make a quick rundown between XR70 and XR55 sound specs?

Seems they are identical, only the XR55 has an upgraded DSP chip. If so, for someone like me who uses the receiver simply as an AMP between HTPC's soundcard and the speakers, would waiting for the XR55 be fruitless then? Since I dont watch movies on this setup, only music.

Many of us feel your frustration. Both the XR70 and XR55 will sound similar, if not exactly the same. If you're strictly using music w/ this setup, it very well may be fruitless to wait on the XR55.

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Grrrr, why is the XR55 not shipping yet!!!!

I have been without a receiver for 2 weeks now, this is killing me


Could someone make a quick rundown between XR70 and XR55 sound specs?

Seems they are identical, only the XR55 has an upgraded DSP chip. If so, for someone like me who uses the receiver simply as an AMP between HTPC's soundcard and the speakers, would waiting for the XR55 be fruitless then? Since I dont watch movies on this setup, only music.

If you are going to be playing mostly music from your HTPC then you should seriously consider the Kenwood VRS-7100 which has a similar pure-digital architecture as the XR55/XR70. People have reported that the VRS-7100 edges out the XR* series receivers when it comes to music playback (apparently, there is a bit more warmth to the music output from the Kenwood).

I did seriously consider the XR55 but I did not want to wait for it to come out so I went ahead and purchased the VRS-7100 for $250 (with a free wireless RCA headphones) from Vanns.com. I have a HTPC hooked up to the VRS-7100 via optical SPDIF from a Chaintech AV-710 soundcard and it works pretty well.
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I was getting tired of waiting for the xr55 as well and thought of opting for one of the kenwoods, then my girlfriend pre-ordered the xr55 for me. So I guess I'm waiting. Funny how the wait isn't so bad when someone else pays for it.
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kharvel, the 7200 was a real contender for me, I even made a thread about it, but that fan in the back killed the deal pretty much.

Some people also reported that the 7100 lacks some grunt in the higher volume ranges compared to the XR series, which might be an issue for me, since I got huge speakers, both fronts and rears. Lastly bi-wiring sounds somewhat appealing.

Anyhoo, I bought the XR70 this morning from J&R, cant wait for it to get here, if it is too harsh, then Kenwood will probably have a chance afterall.

Quick question about bi-wiring though, when you biwire, and then turn on surround mode, biwiring is turned off, so your front speakers get no low frequencies?
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Just got a 7200 and I'll report what I think of it as I get used to it.

First impressions are - the sound is AMAZING - can't imagine the people that said it didn't have the power.

Only bad thing I noticed is I've had some trouble running everything through the 7200. There are limited S-video connections and haven't really found a way yet to get all my components hooked up. I'm sure I'll figure it out though.

The picture also looked degraded from my DVD player when I ran it through the 7200 - looked much sharper directly to the PJ. Any thoughts on this? Is this normal?
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kharvel, the 7200 was a real contender for me, I even made a thread about it, but that fan in the back killed the deal pretty much.

Some people also reported that the 7100 lacks some grunt in the higher volume ranges compared to the XR series, which might be an issue for me, since I got huge speakers, both fronts and rears. Lastly bi-wiring sounds somewhat appealing.

Anyhoo, I bought the XR70 this morning from J&R, cant wait for it to get here, if it is too harsh, then Kenwood will probably have a chance afterall.

Quick question about bi-wiring though, when you biwire, and then turn on surround mode, biwiring is turned off, so your front speakers get no low frequencies?


I have both the Panny XR70 and the Ken 7100. I do like the sound quality from the 7100 better then the Panny but my 7100 for what ever reason could not drive my theater room system to high volumes so its now in my living room system and doing well.
I have had no trouble with the XR70 clipping. Its a champ.
Regardless what digital receiver you choose I think they are all winners over analog. I could never go back to a analog receiver again. Like everyone Im waiting for the ultimate digital with all the features and chassie design we are use to seeing in the analogs.
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Like everyone Im waiting for the ultimate digital with all the features and chassie design we are use to seeing in the analogs.

Alan, I thought one of the advantages of the digital receivers are their relatively slim form factors compared to the traditional analog receivers. Any reason why you think the larger analog form factor is better? Thanks.
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