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Why would someone spend over $5k on a receiver, only to spend $100 on a rack to put it in?

A) Spent all his budget and only has $100 left
B) Typo; meant to read "$1000"
C) Realizes that racks don't add much to the sound of a system and puts his money where it counts

Just make sure the rack is sturdy enough to hold that beast.

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Thanks for the reply Mr. ted_b. The weight I estimate(It's still on the floor) after hooking up the cables will add 25 pounds at least to the weight which is already 100 pounds!!! I've decided to go to a welding shop and have them make me one.
A $100 rack I believe is just being naive on my part to which Mr.aaronwt is right. After staring at it for a couple minutes I just can't justify myself spending more money just to integrate this rcvr. Now that the hangover is gone I pretty well damn sure whatever rack I put this on will not tip over or bend! I live in SoCal and earthquakes are common.
Sold some of my treasured comic books to offset the cost of this rcvr.

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I've been doing some comparing of video quality through the 5805 between HDMI/DVI and Component output.
To my eyes and with my display (Panny 65" 7U) the component output looks a little better when viewing HD/SD DirecTV material. (with the exception being DVD material viewed via HDMI from the Denon 5910 which is phenomenal!)
Previously I've always preferred the digital video output of a given source vs component output, usually fed directly to my display, but now......
A friend of mine suggested that it may well be the Progressive video processing & scaling of the 5805 (Faroudja DCDi) that's doing a better job than my source components &/or display.
Any thoughts boys and girls.....

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Same source, same connections and cables, but bypassing the 5805, which looks better?

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Same source, same connections and cables, but bypassing the 5805, which looks better?

HDMI/DVI looks slightly better...........
A friend of mine and I are in the process of setting up a comparsion between component straight into display vs component through the 5805.

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I guess I meant does HDMI/DVI look better than component, when you bypass the 5805 with both.

Let us know, thanks.

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If you happen to be using a HD TIVO, some users have noted that the component output looks better than the HDMI. That's the case for me, using a NEC HT-1000 projector. So, that is one variable that is outside the control of the 5805.
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Originally posted by moonhawk
I guess I meant does HDMI/DVI look better than component, when you bypass the 5805 with both.

Let us know, thanks.

Yes, HDMI/DVI looks slightly better than component when routed directly to display, but HDMI/DVI looks no better or worst when routed through the 5805.

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Could we get an updated head count of who owns one and "unmentioned/atypical" pros 'n cons ?

Seeking a speaker recomendation? Compare for yourself or be swayed by others who hear differantly, or by marketing, or just save time and get the cheapest , nicest looking, or smallest.
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How do you like the sound overall, and do you like Audessey for both music and movies?

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How do you like the sound overall, and do you like Audessey for both music and movies?

I prefer Audyssey EQ for just about everything, music and movies, hi-rez multichannel material, SACD, etc...
I haven't dialed in 2-channel music sound however. Audyssey with 2-channel material (compared to Audyssey switched OFF) brings an improved soundstage, crisper mid-range, a little more depth, vocals sound richer/cleaner, but the bass lines seem to almost dissappear compared to Audyssey switched off. This may be my setup problem since I've had the Direct/Stereo settings on the 5805 set to run my mains full w/ no sub. I've been playing with the settings recently, swtiching to Small mains w/sub (and/or Large w/sub, also an option) and crossover set to 60 or 80 with Audyssey turned ON, which has brought back the bass lines. So I'll continue to play with the settings for Advance Playback Modes (Direct/Stereo mode) within the 5805 menus until I get 2-channel sound dialed in to my liking and keep Audyssey turned ON because of all the attributes it brings to the sound.
I do wonder however if a user wanted to run their Mains full range with no subwoofer, would they be missing the bass when Audyssey is turned on? Or are my mains just a little too "anemic" to be run full range? Or is their placement not ideal? (probably)

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What are the differences in the EQ options on the Denon 5805 [Audyessey,flat,etc]
Is one a better allrounder than the other?
Can this unit recognize full range speakers or does it group everything into small.
Anyone driving a full range system who has 5805/5910 combo in operation and who has experimented with the EQ?
PLUS the love of multi channel audio/2ch audio and movies.
Anyone...
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Flying Ed,
Thanks. I've been asking about the audio since page 12, and no one but DC has chimed in. Not that I'm disappointed in the video discussions, just that the Audyssey stuff has real potential and want to know what it does in a real-world full-range setup.

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I'd also like to know what the EQ options are. Does the Audyssey always EQ the listening position to flat response across the frequency spectrum, or can it be customized to one's tastes?

Query: I have a strong personal preference for flat response. Although to many, this might seem too bright, harsh, shrill, etc., for ME, I love the details it brings out. Consequently, I would assume that the Audyssey system would probably leave that pretty much "as is" in the final eq, right?

Now what if I had some speakers that
were a bit recessed in the midrange and tipped up on the ends..ie..the usual home audio suspects? Would the Audyssey system tone down the ends and raise the midrange in order to achieve flat response at the listening position?

How much user control is there to tailor the system to one's preferences???

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I know from a previous thread that the Audyssey EQ can be targetted to a flat response as well as thier preferred 'house curve'. There may be other target curves or the ability to design your own, I dont know about that.
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and that's what I'd love to know.

I'd also like to know what their "house curve" looks like on a fq. response chart.

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Read back a few posts....Audessey Chris addressed that issue to some degree.

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I tried to get Chris to reveal the house curve a while back but he seemed reluctant. I suppose they consider it proprietary information. Although, it should be easy enough to determine by measuring the room with the EQ engaged.

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interesting notion...that the frequency response curve should be proprietary.

Most speaker designers feel the same way...and that's why they so often claim that reviewer's fq. response charts are wrong or inaccurate. It's because they don't like their "house curve" to be "outed". I say we don't need no stinkin' house curve...let us make our OWN curve.



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From post #268

"...The Audyssey curve performs best for movie content that has been properly mixed following the standards. Since the music industry has no such standards, we could not simply guess at the intentions of the program creators. For that reason, the best starting point for music is to use MultEQ and calibrate to "flat". From our own experience with MultEQ users we find that many start with flat for music, but almost all of them migrate to the Audyssey curve that has a slight high frequency roll-off.

Best regards,
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Which curve do you use?

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Originally posted by moonhawk
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Which curve do you use?

Thanks

I use the Audyssey curve almost exclusively. I've played with the others, Flat, Front and Manual but find the Audyssey curve the most musical for, well, music..... and the most realistic & dynamic for movies. I could live with Flat for music as well but feel Audyssey opens up and fills in the sound a little further, a little better.

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"I've played with the others, Flat, Front and Manual"

This is the first I've heard of Manual; can you describe it?

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The new May issue of Sound & Vision has a review of the 5805, and yeah they like it. But man did it do lousy in the power output test, even though they raved about it's power in the review itself. It drops down to 121wpc at 1kH with 5 channels driven. So I'd guess if you were to use all 7 or 10 at once, you're then maybe looking at about 100-110wpc, or probably even less with all 10.

I'm really surprised, because I thought it would have been much stronger than 121wpc into 5. And I also thought that on something like this, that Denon would have made something that came a lot closer to the ad specs.

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/ass...VR-5805lab.pdf

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Originally posted by noah katz
"I've played with the others, Flat, Front and Manual"

This is the first I've heard of Manual; can you describe it?

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"Manual" does not use the MultEQ process. It is a parametric EQ that can be set manually by the user.

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Is there a way to check what the settings are for each speaker in the various curves? IOW, can you then tweak a pre-set curve slightly to your taste, both in level an EQ?

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"Manual" does not use the MultEQ process. It is a parametric EQ that can be set manually by the user.

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If it doesn't use the MultEQ process, shall we assume that the p-eq. only works for a single mike position?

I'm also interested in knowing if the MultEQ's curves can be tweaked. I'm guessing not.

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"Manual" does not use the microphone at all. It is a few bands of parametric EQ that the user can set manually based on "divine inspiration". Denon has implemented a way to "copy" the Flat curve that has been calculated with MultEQ into the Manual setting and then tweak from there using the parametric. the problem with that is twofold: (1) the copying tries to squeeze 512 points of the FIR correction filter into 10 bands of parametric so there is some loss of information and (2) now you are in the world of IIR filters and the associated phase and time domain problems.

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>>Denon has implemented a way to "copy" the Flat curve that has been calculated with MultEQ...<<

Speaking of the oxymoron "Flat curve", does MultEQ REALLY make the response FLAT at the listening position? As I asked before, if a speaker is designed with a midrange dip, would the "Flat curve" bring the dip up to TRUE flat at the listening position?...or is "Flat" really curved in some fashion? Catch my drift?

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Originally posted by Johnla
The new May issue of Sound & Vision has a review of the 5805, and yeah they like it. But man did it do lousy in the power output test, even though they raved about it's power in the review itself. It drops down to 121wpc at 1kH with 5 channels driven. So I'd guess if you were to use all 7 or 10 at once, you're then maybe looking at about 100-110wpc, or probably even less with all 10.

I'm really surprised, because I thought it would have been much stronger than 121wpc into 5. And I also thought that on something like this, that Denon would have made something that came a lot closer to the ad specs.

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/ass...VR-5805lab.pdf

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As of right now. They only have the "lab" test results on their web site, and not the full product review.

Well the interesting part is the comment with it :

The Denon AVR5805 performed at or near historic levels for A/V receivers: power, noise, and distortion measurements were all record-setters on my test bench

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