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Hi ,i got the Denon AVR-5805 & all i can say is WOW what a AVR, i have not had it but a few days now & it allready sounds better than any upgrade that i have ever done,the 1394 i link works fine with sacd & dvd audio,there is a so much on this thing that i learn something new everyday,the new audyssey multEQ XT sounds very very good ,the 5805 sounds much better with audyssey than what i heard on my denon 5803a that i traded in,i think denon & audyssey have something special here....the Faroudja DCDi scaling is doing a good job allso,there is just so much on the 5805 that i can't think of everything to say other than i do know that it sounds much better than the 5803a & my conrad johnson power amp that i had been using
& thats for music & movies, i will post any up dates good or bad as time goes by.....cya Jim

P.S. one more thing i wanted to say is the looks of the 5805 in the photos that i have seen on the net does not do justice, i thought it was going to be one big ulgy box but what a surprise,it looks very good, alot different that what i thought it was going to look like.. you have to see it & hear it in real life to know what i mean....later Jim....
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how does the audessey work with that multiple sweet spot feature? Does it really work?
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how does the audessey work with that multiple sweet spot feature? Does it really work?

At CES it did a wonderful job in their demo room
I even suggested that they do away with the wired mic and go wireless.
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Someone educate me. If your going to spend 5000 on a reciever why wouldn't you get separates? My whole HT minus the TV, is less than that. I hope some girl popped out of the box as well.
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If your going to spend 5000 on a reciever why wouldn't you get separates?

What separates have the features (HDMI switching, Audyssey room EQ, Faroudja scaler, 3 sub support, etc) for a low enough price that will allow you to buy it and also buy 10 channel of amplification all for 5000 dollars?

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Someone educate me. If your going to spend 5000 on a reciever why wouldn't you get separates? My whole HT minus the TV, is less than that. I hope some girl popped out of the box as well.

I sold my separates (B&K Ref 50, 2x220, 5x200 amps) for the 5805. Huge upgrade in sound. Plenty of amp power. With the Audessey and the latest and greatest chips, I don't think you can put together separates that sound this good for $5,000. Others may disagree, but that's MHO.

Oh, and it has DVI/HDMI switching, which I really wanted.
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If your going to spend 5000 on a reciever why wouldn't you get separates?

The answer is because there is not a separate preamp, other than the Integra RDC 7.1, that offers HDMI/DVI switching. No Rotel, Krell, Lexicon, Passe, Sunfire, Crown, Parasound-not a one.

I agree that for $5,000 you should seriously consider separates-but there are none. I have been waiting patiently for almost a year and will probably end up buying the Denon 4806 when it is released (supposedly) in April.
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how does the audessey work with that multiple sweet spot feature? Does it really work?

Yes Audyssey MultEQ XT really does work, any seat that i set in sounds like you are in the sweet spot, like i said Denon & Audyssey have something special here, i don't know how it works, but i do know that it works & works very well.....Jim
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Yes Audyssey MultEQ XT really does work, any seat that i set in sounds like you are in the sweet spot, like i said Denon & Audyssey have something special here, i don't know how it works, but i do know that it works & works very well.....Jim

I second this...it's really as good as advertised.
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Someone educate me. If your going to spend 5000 on a reciever why wouldn't you get separates? My whole HT minus the TV, is less than that. I hope some girl popped out of the box as well.

Yes it is alot of $$$$ but i had just bought the Denon 5803A from my dealer & he let me trade it in on the 5805 for $2000 more & gave me a good deal on the 5805 so i'm under the $5000 mark...

As far as separates i have a Conrad Johnson power amp rated at 350 watts per ch... @ 4ohms & i can not tell no difference between the denon 5805 & the conrad johnson using M&K S-150 speakers,if anything the denon sounds better so i took the conrad johnson out of my system where i just don't need it with the 5805 & allso like others have said there is no other pre pro amp that has what the 5805 has at this time,maybe later but not right now...Jim
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What separates have the features (HDMI switching, Audyssey room EQ, Faroudja scaler, 3 sub support, etc) for a low enough price that will allow you to buy it and also buy 10 channel of amplification all for 5000 dollars?

Sanjay

Sanjay...one config immediately comes to mind.....

10 Outlaw M200 monoblocks (with separate power supplies and amps for each channel @ 200w/channel @ 8 OHMs and 300w/channel @ 4 OHMs.

--7 amps=$1,973 (if you need more, you can add 3 more for ~$197 per channel)
--Pioneer Elite 56 TXi with i-link and Advanced MCACC for about $1,100
--one 4X HDMI switcher for about $400 (if you need that)

Total price? Between ~$3,475 and ~$4,065

If you talk to the Outlaw guys, you may even be able to do better. Plus, the amplification is better.

I'm sure I could come up with a bakers dozen other configureations which would be as good or better performance for less cost.

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Pioneer Elite 56 TXi with i-link and Advanced MCACC

Not quite "separates" but close enough for me. I'm impressed; you covered all my bases for under 4 grand.

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I am another looking to actually dump my seperates to go to the 5805. I am still trying to be patient and see if any prepros will have multEQ
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Pioneer Elite 56 TXi with i-link and Advanced MCACC

Yes but, depending on your setup, MultEQ has some serious advantages over MCACC. Of course, the proof is in the listening but MultEQ addresses many of the perceived shortcomings of previous auto-EQ systems in receivers. Specifically, it tries to deal with bass problems with more than a simple "tone control" type of EQ like the Pioneer uses. And it EQ's the sub(s), something the Pioneer does not do.

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I believe MCACC and MultEQ XT are in different leagues, though.
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Sanjay...one config immediately comes to mind.....

10 Outlaw M200 monoblocks (with separate power supplies and amps for each channel @ 200w/channel @ 8 OHMs and 300w/channel @ 4 OHMs.

--7 amps=$1,973 (if you need more, you can add 3 more for ~$197 per channel)
--Pioneer Elite 56 TXi with i-link and Advanced MCACC for about $1,100
--one 4X HDMI switcher for about $400 (if you need that)

Total price? Between ~$3,475 and ~$4,065

You forgot to add in the prices, for the 12 electrical outlets that you would also need to plug them all into...
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Johnla.....You'd need some power outlets for sure, but talk about amplification......one amp for each channel pumping out 200w each......dynamic results, for certain. Plus, the flexibility involving adding/subtracting amps as your needs dictate is appealing. I'm sure there's someone out there who needs 10 channels of amplification, but I don't personally know of any. So, 7-9 channels (9 for multiroom duty) would probably fit the bill for the most extensive of HT needs. Coming up with this config intrigued me enough to ask my electrician what he'd charge to install a bank of outlets to handle this. He said he'd do it for material cost and a bottle of Woodford Reserve (friend discount).

I heard about a 30 minute demo of the 5805 with MultiEQ. While it does a good job, that brief demo really didn't show me that, sonically, there was a clear advantage over MCACC or YPAO (or even Denon's own paramtric EQ with a 3805). I know on paper it's supposed to be much better, but I didn't hear the significant difference. Granted, 30 minutes isn't enough time to do a thorough test, but at first listen, I was expecting more. MAybe my expectations were too high.

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You forgot to add in the prices, for the 12 electrical outlets that you would also need to plug them all into...

True, though since I already use 7 monoblock amps anyway, it wouldn't be a change for me.

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I am eager to see what Pioneer has in store in response to the Denon. Something as a replacement for the 59Txi.

I am also very much intrigued by the 5805 but honestly, I really couldn't get pass the size. I think it would have been better if at least they separated it in two boxes. That way, I wouldn't buy a new rack just to accomodate the humongous size. Guess, can't have my cake and eat it too.

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Johnla.....You'd need some power outlets for sure, but talk about amplification......one amp for each channel pumping out 200w each......dynamic results, for certain. Plus, the flexibility involving adding/subtracting amps as your needs dictate is appealing. I'm sure there's someone out there who needs 10 channels of amplification, but I don't personally know of any. So, 7-9 channels (9 for multiroom duty) would probably fit the bill for the most

It really don't matter to me much now as I just voted with my wallet by buying a RX-Z9 about 2 weeks ago, I got a smoking deal on it from a local authorized B&M that was equal to the price that most of the unauthorized etailers are selling it for. It has all that I want feature-wise, and then some. As far as HDMI or DVI switching goes, I did not even care about or even want that. The dealer I bought it from is also a Denon dealer and I could have got about the same sort of deal on a 5805 as I did on the RX-Z9, but it still would have been a somewhat pricey difference over what the Z9 did cost me. But I just did not see any need at all for some of the stuff the 5805 offers, in my application. Like you say, not everyone needs or even wants 10 amp channels, and I certainly did not want a AVR that is just a hair under 100lbs either. One thing I think Denon should probably do for people who buy the 5805, is to start backing it with a 5 year warranty like Yamaha did with the RX-Z9. Because I think when they get to these levels of being their "showcase" products, is that they also deserve a bit extra on their warranty. The weird this is, I can remember back in the stereo only days, it was somewhat standard that just about every receiver and amplifier sold, used to also come with at least a 5 year warranty. Even some of the old 20wpc and 60wpc and later 160wpc Kenwood receivers that I bought back in the late 60's and early 70's had a 5 year warranty.
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For those who don't need everything the 5805 offers, the upcoming 4806 looks pretty sweet. It still has all the basic must-have goodies, i.Link, HDMI, MultEQ, etc. and it costs $2K less.

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For those who don't need everything the 5805 offers, the upcoming 4806 looks pretty sweet. It still has all the basic must-have goodies, i.Link, HDMI, MultEQ, etc. and it costs $2K less.

I will be very interested in the 4806. If it does deliver as it claims, then it should be very tempting at 2K less than the 5805, no less.

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MSRP 5805=$6000.00

MSRP 4806=$3500

You do the math.

(Hint: it gets even better)

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I wonder which other company will licence audyssey's revolutionary EQ system.
hopefully many.
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I wonder which other company will licence audyssey's revolutionary EQ system.

Sherwood right now is looking into offering it as a extra cost user installable flash upgrade, for both their existing P-965 pre-pro and the R-965 and R-865 receivers that they sell right now.
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Hi All,

It makes a lot of sense for some people to have a Single Box beast, vs going with seperates.

I personally have traded in a Denon 5600 for my seperates, EAD Theatermaster Signature and Powermaster 2000.

Well if this was my system, and if it's mostly for hometheater, then I wouldn't mind going with the Denon 5805. The amp's would be good enough for HT, but not for 2 channel audiophile level music listening.
I am more critical in that department.

But having all in one box, saves some $$$ on interconnect cables, and mulitple good power cords.

It also has good HDMI and DVI switching, and room correction.
And also the latest surround sound formats, like Dolby Prologic II, etc...
Which my EAD Theatermaster does not have all these lastest and greatest technologies.

So it might be worth looking for me as well in the near future.

Just my 2cents, BK
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I don't think I'd like to try installing that many seperates but I would like to try that Woodford Reserve.
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Hope you dont have the problem I have had with my Yamaha RXZ9. Damn thing turns itself off randomly. It has been a pain in the neck. If I could do it over I would buy the Denon. Loved my old 5800. But needed a AV system before the 5805 was out and the Yammy was the only one with enough component ins. Should have waited 6 months.
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Hope you dont have the problem I have had with my Yamaha RXZ9. Damn thing turns itself off randomly. It has been a pain in the neck. If I could do it over I would buy the Denon. Loved my old 5800. But needed a AV system before the 5805 was out and the Yammy was the only one with enough component ins. Should have waited 6 months.
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Sherwood right now is looking into offering it as a extra cost user installable flash upgrade, for both their existing P-965 pre-pro and the R-965 and R-865 receivers that they sell right now.

I don't think it's possible, due to the limited performance of DSPs inside P-965/R-865. Actually I am hearing a different rumor that they will release new receiver with MultEQ.
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