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I was under the impression that AACS was not going to be required in receivers or in monitors to play Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, only in drives/players to prevent direct disk copying from say...a PC with a Blu-Ray drive.

In the same case, the HDMI output would have only the HDCP protection scheme. Any HDMI monitor or receiver with HDCP would be able to pass, decode, display the AV info. The 2807 will have HDMI 1.1 so it should be able to work with the new players.

If I have this correct, someone please verify. I have been waiting for this receiver since I first heard about it.

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THe biggest benefit of 1.2a (for a lot of people) is that the SA8300HD cable box can communicate with receivers using 1.2a and not so well with receivers using 1.1 or 1.2.

if true this is a huge bummer. if it won't work with the 8300 it's not gonna work for me.
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I stopped into an Omaha store today and asked the saleperson about the 2807. He didn't know about it, but checked his computer and saw that they are scheduled to receive a few on March 15th. His computer showed a retail price of little over grand. I was about ready to walk away - but he offered it to me for what I thought was a very reasonable price, and .....

"Hello, my name is Chad and I am an impulse electronics buyer"


Can't wait to try it out .....

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THe biggest benefit of 1.2a (for a lot of people) is that the SA8300HD cable box can communicate with receivers using 1.2a and not so well with receivers using 1.1 or 1.2.

If the 8300 has the right firmware, it should have no problem with 1.1, 1.2 or 1.2a.
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Is there any reason to go to an authorized dealer vs. a non-authorized dealer?

I know that every manufacturer website claims that that they will not support pruducts purchased through other channels but is that actually enforced?

In other words, how much could I expect to purchase the 2807 under the $1,099 MSRP?
And is that discount worth it?
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I looked at the photo of the rear layout, and I see 3 HDMI connectors, 2 in and 1 out.

I'm new to this, so can someone please tell me how these can/should be utilized.

For example, would you connect the DVD player AND HD-receiver (assuming both are HDMI compatible) to the Denon and then the receiver connects to the display ??

Are there options to use the Denon's HDMI connectors with audio as well as video?


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That exactly right. But there's more. It'll also upconvert signals input in component, composite, etc and submit output it to the display via HDMI. However, unlike some receivers it does not upscale the signals. So it doesn't take a 480P in and make it a 1080i out, for example.
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I wanted to get the 2807 for my bedroom, it seemed like the perfect low cost solution. However, looking at the manual on the Denon website, there is no mention of XM. All of the CES pictures and reports showed that it had XM. The lower cost 1906 has XM. Anyone else notice this or have more information.

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I wanted to get the 2807 for my bedroom, it seemed like the perfect low cost solution. However, looking at the manual on the Denon website, there is no mention of XM. All of the CES pictures and reports showed that it had XM. The lower cost 1906 has XM. Anyone else notice this or have more information.

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It has a xm antenna plug on the rear panel as well as xm silkscreened on the front panel. Check out the photos.

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"XM Satellite Radio Ready port which accepts an optional "Connect and Play' antenna."

http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3038.asp#

Maybe the manual was written before the XM Port was added. ?? In the manual, the XM Port is left out of the diagrams and no reference to it as far as I could tell.
Maybe I skipped over it somewhere.

But the photos show that the XM Port is located under the HDMI connections on the back panel pic.

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If the 8300 has the right firmware, it should have no problem with 1.1, 1.2 or 1.2a.


Yeah that's true, the problem is getting the right firmware on the 8300. As a consumer you can't do anything about it on the 8300, however, you can choose a receiver which has 1.2a hdmi spec and not have to worry about it.
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What are the main differences between the 3806 and the 2807 besides the 10W per channel, the HDCD decoding and $200? I know this won awards at CES, but what makes this so much different than the 3806 that is already available?

I think I will have a tough time deciding between the 2807, the 3806, and the 4306.

Thanks in advance for the help.

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Taken from Cnet:

"So why all the excitement over the AVR-2807? Consider Denon's $1,300 AVR-3806. It's a great receiver, but the somewhat half-baked HDMI capabilities--analog video sources and the onscreen display are limited to 480i resolution via the HDMI output--limits usefulness on many HDTVs and monitors. For $200 less, the AVR-2807 looks to deliver a lot more for the home-theater enthusiast. The AVR-2807 is scheduled to be available in March 2006, in black or silver"
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Taken from Cnet:

"So why all the excitement over the AVR-2807? Consider Denon's $1,300 AVR-3806. It's a great receiver, but the somewhat half-baked HDMI capabilities--analog video sources and the onscreen display are limited to 480i resolution via the HDMI output--limits usefulness on many HDTVs and monitors. For $200 less, the AVR-2807 looks to deliver a lot more for the home-theater enthusiast. The AVR-2807 is scheduled to be available in March 2006, in black or silver"

But, if your Cable STB can't repeat HDMI, then you don't get the OSD in 1080i anyway, you get nothing, correct?
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I stopped into an Omaha store today and asked the saleperson about the 2807. He didn't know about it, but checked his computer and saw that they are scheduled to receive a few on March 15th. His computer showed a retail price of little over grand. ....

If you consider $1100, a little over a grand.
I am sorry, make that $1099.99, that looks closer to a $1000.
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phoard1 writes:

"That exactly right. But there's more. It'll also upconvert signals input in component, composite, etc and submit output it to the display via HDMI. However, unlike some receivers it does not upscale the signals. So it doesn't take a 480P in and make it a 1080i out, for example."

I don't understand the distinction between UPCONVERT vs. UPSCALE.
Is one of these good and the other bad?

Please explain the above quote to me.

Thanks.

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OK, so the 3806 does not convert analog to 480p, whereas the 2807 does? Does this really only effect the OSD and material from a VCR/Camcorder? I assume that progressive scan and upconverting 720p DVD players will still be output at 480p and 720p through HDMI.

Also, I see that the 4306 received very high praise on CNET.

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Upscaling actually changes the image (480i to 480p)
Upconversion changes the format (s-video to component, s-video to hdmi, component to hdmi, etc)
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"Upscaling actually changes the image (480i to 480p)
Upconversion changes the format (s-video to component, s-video to hdmi, component to hdmi, etc)"

I'm not sure this is correct. For example, why all the fuss about upconverting dvd players if they don't improve the image?

If the image isn't improved, why would I care about upconversion if only the format changes?

Someone help us out here.
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wasn't an AVS member supposed to receive his 2807 on Wednesday? i guess he's enjoying it so much he hasn't had a chance to report back yet.
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If the image isn't improved, why would I care about upconversion if only the format changes?

It lets you consolidate your cabling from different sources to the display.

Some DVD players upscale as their scaling can be better than that of some displays - they couldn't upconvert unless they had a video input for a different source.
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Originally Posted by trpltongue View Post

Taken from Cnet:

"So why all the excitement over the AVR-2807? Consider Denon's $1,300 AVR-3806. It's a great receiver, but the somewhat half-baked HDMI capabilities--analog video sources and the onscreen display are limited to 480i resolution via the HDMI output--limits usefulness on many HDTVs and monitors. For $200 less, the AVR-2807 looks to deliver a lot more for the home-theater enthusiast. The AVR-2807 is scheduled to be available in March 2006, in black or silver"

This is a little misleading because according to the AVR-2807 manual the onscreen display via HDMI is only 480i and there is a small note in there to make sure you have a compatible display...
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"Upscaling actually changes the image (480i to 480p)
Upconversion changes the format (s-video to component, s-video to hdmi, component to hdmi, etc)"

I'm not sure this is correct. For example, why all the fuss about upconverting dvd players if they don't improve the image?

If the image isn't improved, why would I care about upconversion if only the format changes?

Someone help us out here.

It is confusing. I think the terms get use interchangably at times. For Yamaha receivers they say:
Fully Analog Video Up-Conversion to HDMI and Component Video
Output with TBC
De-Interlacing (480i to 480p)
Up-Scaling (480i to 1080i/720p)

However, the point is that the Denon 2807 will allow you to send your source data input via an analog input and then out via HDMI. It basically passes the signal through via HDMI. It doesn't upscale it to a higher resolution. However, if your source or display can do the upscaling it probably isn' important. The Yamaha V2600 for example can take a 480i source, upscale it to 1080i and send it to your display via HDMI.
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TMG,

Upscaling changes the resolution (480 to 720, etc.)

Upconverting changes the carrier signal (rca to component etc)
Upconverting can also change from interlaced to progressive but will not alter resolution (480i to 480p, etc.)

DVD players are upSCALING. The take the dvd signal and upscale it to whatever resolution you desire (720p, 1080i). DVD's are a digital signal to begin with and therefore DVD players to not upconvert anything (they don't change the carrier signal).
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Opinion needed...

For a multiroom setup do you think I am better off getting the Denon 2807 and an RF remote or the Yamaha 2600 which comes with the zone2/3 remote and installing IR repeaters (not a big deal as I already have the wires where they need to be?

Anyone else considering the Yamaha vs. Denon...other difference I see is 1080i vs. 1080p
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im getting mine from an authorized dealer. I don't think we are supposed to post prices on the forum so I will say that it will be just under $1000

Same here. I was quoted today by an authorized dealer as a half ben under $1000.

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With Chicago sales tax of 9% it is easier to pay MSRP and get the free shipping to my door vs. paying $1000 + tax and having to pick it up.
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The denon rep is still telling me the end of March for the 2807.
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crutchfield and listen up are taking preorders expecting end of month release. you can call them but should be up on their websites next week
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I asked the some more questions to the Denon rep. This is what I wrote:

Can you explain what the video game mode does on the
receiver? Does it help prevent audio lag while playing
videogames or does it improve the video?

Is there a setting that will prevent the volume from
going over a certain level? For example, when I watch
the Perfect Storm on DVD I constantly have my hand on
the volume control to increase it during the dialog
sections & then to quick drop the volume when an ocean
wave spikes the volume up. (Not great when living in
an apartment.)

I created a thread about the AVR-2807 on avsforum.com
& someone else posted a question that you might be
able to answer. His post is:

I was under the impression that AACS was not going to
be required in receivers or in monitors to play
Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, only in drives/players to prevent
direct disk copying from say...a PC with a Blu-Ray
drive.

In the same case, the HDMI output would have only the
HDCP protection scheme. Any HDMI monitor or receiver
with HDCP would be able to pass, decode, display the
AV info. The 2807 will have HDMI 1.1 so it should be
able to work with the new players.

If I have this correct, someone please verify. I have
been waiting for this receiver since I first heard
about it.


His reply was:

The video game mode is a surround sound mode for effect.
It does not do anything for video. There is no volume
limiter on the various inputs that actively detects the
volume level and reduces it. However you do have under
Audio Input Setup a mode for Input Function Level. This
feature will allow you to balance the level between inputs
so that when you switch between inputs it will be smooth.
Under the Options Setup you have a Volume Control setup.
This will allow you to set a fixed limit on how high you
can turn up the main volume control. For Dolby Digital
and some dts signals we have a surround parameter called
D. Comp. which will allow you to choose a compression
level to squash the peeks. If you will be using these
two types of signals, then this might work for you. As
far as the AACS, I believe the receiver will need HDMI
version 1.3 for it to work properly from the information
that I have seen. I can't agree with his statement.
The receivers will also need the proper decoders for the
new formats as well. In the meantime assuming the device
will have 8 channel analog outputs, they can be connected
to a receiver's external 8 channel input.
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