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Does anyone have any info about this new receiver?

Is it HDCP compliant?
Dimensions?
Has anyone seen it in action at CES? Opinions about it?
Links to quality photos of the front & back?

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There has been many good things said about the AVR-2807, and it won a best of CES award. It has two HDMI inputs that are capable of passing 1080p signals. HDCP is a given. The question that I have is whether these HDMI inputs are version 1.2. A picture of its rear panel can be found here.
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Do we have any idea as to when the 2807 will be released?
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Do we have any idea as to when the 2807 will be released?

one AVS member is reporting that he is due to receive his 2807 on Wednesday.
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Just got a call from my friendly AV salesman. My 2807 is expected on 4/10/06. Unless I find it somewhere else sooner. This sounds like a great receiver for the sub-$1000 price.
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How sub 1000 are we talking about here anyone know any authorized dealers that are posting prices? I am either buying one of these or an hk 640 but It seems like the hk has been pushed back and I need a new reciever pronto.
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im getting mine from an authorized dealer. I don't think we are supposed to post prices on the forum so I will say that it will be just under $1000
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thanks for starting this, i was about to post the same thing earlier today.

april, huh? everything I've seen says march but your guy probably has better visibility to these things than I would.
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I am either buying one of these or an hk 640 but It seems like the hk has been pushed back

Same here. I'm in the market for a new receiver, but the HK 640 looks like it'll take too long to come out. The 2807 looks equally good. :-)
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Does Denon make the HK 640? I haven't heard anything about the 640.
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Does Denon make the HK 640? I haven't heard anything about the 640.

HK 640 is the Harmon-Kardon AVR 640. It's going to be released sometime in the future, but not soon enough.
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I'm ready tou spend the bucks and get this sucker. Anywhere to preorder? Also with all the talks of Blu-RAy and HD-DVD and HDCP and AACS, is the Denon 2807 HDCP and AACS complaint? I read in an article at gear.ign.com that receivers that upconvert may not be able to use blu-ray or hd-dvd. First thats just really crappy of the new next-gen dvd format, but if true I may have to hold off on my purchase...
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dimensions??
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The 2807 does an 1080p HDMI pass through from what I have read so it should be BR/HDVD compliant but don't take my word for it.
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I'm ready tou spend the bucks and get this sucker. Anywhere to preorder? Also with all the talks of Blu-RAy and HD-DVD and HDCP and AACS, is the Denon 2807 HDCP and AACS complaint? I read in an article at gear.ign.com that receivers that upconvert may not be able to use blu-ray or hd-dvd. First thats just really crappy of the new next-gen dvd format, but if true I may have to hold off on my purchase...


I'm not sure why that would be true. It won't need to upconvert the signal from the DVD formats but just pass them through via HDMI. Perhaps if your receiver does not have and HDMI input?
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dimensions??

Get our your calculator

Specifications for the DENON AVR 2807
Power Output 7x 110W (8 ohms, 20Hz-20kHz, 0.08% THD)
Frequency Response 10Hz - 100Hz (+1, -3 dB)
Tone controls Treble: ±12 dB at 10 kHz
Bass: ±12 dB at 100 Hz
Power Supply AC 230V, 50 Hz
Input sensitivity/Impedance 200 mV/47 kohms
Dimensions Width 434mm
Height 171mm
Depth 429mm
Weight 14kg
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I emailed Denon & received this reply:

The AVR-2807 soon to be released at the end of March
follows the requirements of HDMI that is implemented
at this time. The copy protect used is HDMI HDCP version
1.1. The AACS HD protection is not finalized nor implemented
in receivers yet. All indications show it will be a
little while yet before all the dust settles.

Best Regards,

J. McGuinness
Denon Electronics (USA), LLC
19C Chapin Road, Suite 205
Pine Brook, N.J. 07058-9385
j_mcguinness@denonnj.com

What is the AACS protection for again? I just want to know if I can play movies through the PS3 through the Denon.

If anyone else has any questions I recommend emailing him. He replied in a day.
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I did some conversions of phoard1's info:

17.09 inches wide
6.73 inches tall
16.89 inches deep
30.8 lb.
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I looked at the photo of the rear layout, and I see 3 HDMI connectors, 2 in and 1 out.

I'm new to this, so can someone please tell me how these can/should be utilized.

For example, would you connect the DVD player AND HD-receiver (assuming both are HDMI compatible) to the Denon and then the receiver connects to the display ??

Are there options to use the Denon's HDMI connectors with audio as well as video?


Thanks.
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If the reply that Mello got is accurate, Denon is saying it's only HDCP 1.2 which is a big pita. Why wouldn't they implement HDCP 1.2? Arghhh.
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If the reply that Mello got is accurate, Denon is saying it's only HDCP 1.2 which is a big pita. Why wouldn't they implement HDCP 1.2? Arghhh.

What's the difference between HDCP 1.1 & 1.2?
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I found some info about 1.2:



When was the HDMI specification released?
The HDMI 1.0 specification was released in December 2002.
The HDMI 1.1 specification was released in May 2004.

The HDMI 1.2 specification was released in August of 2005.

The HDMI 1.2a specification was released in December of 2005.



What has been added in the HDMI 1.2 specification?

The HDMI 1.2 specification also adds features and capabilities that increase HDMI's appeal for use in both the CE and PC industries. Specifically, the features and modifications for HDMI 1.2 include:

* Support for One Bit Audio format, such as SuperAudio CD's DSD (Direct Stream Digital)
* Changes to offer better support for current and future PCs with HDMI outputs, including:
o Availability of the widely-used HDMI Type A connector for PC sources and displays with full support for PC video formats
o Ability for PC sources to use their native RGB color-space while retaining the option to support the YCbCr CE color-space
o Requirement for HDMI 1.2 and later displays to support future low-voltage (i.e., AC-coupled) sources, such as those based on PCI Express I/O technology



What has been added in the HDMI 1.2a specification?

With the release of HDMI 1.2a, CEC features and command sets and CEC compliance tests are now fully specified. In addition, the Founders have created version 1.2a of the HDMI Compliance Test Specification (CTS), which includes a CEC Supplement. HDMI CTS 1.2a has been updated for technical consistency with HDMI Specification 1.2a as well as to the recently released HDMI Specification 1.2.

Significantly, CTS 1.2a contains additional cable and connector testing and Authorized Testing Center (ATC) submission requirements. Specifically, under CTS 1.2a, the Adopter shall submit for testing to the ATC any new HDMI cable whose length exceeds previously tested cables.

Additionally, HDMI Licensing, LLC will maintain a list of approved connectors. For a device to pass CTS 1.2a testing at an ATC, all connectors on such device must appear on the approved connector list. To add a connector to this list, the vendor must submit to the ATC or HDMI Licensing, LLC full and passing testing results.

Is HDMI 1.2a backwards compatible with 1.2, 1.1 and 1.0?

Yes, the latest HDMI specification is fully backwards compatible with previous versions.
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THe biggest benefit of 1.2a (for a lot of people) is that the SA8300HD cable box can communicate with receivers using 1.2a and not so well with receivers using 1.1 or 1.2.
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While the 2807 looks to be a great receiver, I think I'm more interested in the upcoming Pioneer 1016, which supposedly will have XM and HDMI for $499 (coming in June). It probably won't do any upconversion to HDMI, though.
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I emailed the Denon Rep again. Here's my question:

Is the AVR-2807 upgradeable? Can the AACS HD
protection be added when it is finalized or can I
upgrade the HDCP to 1.2 or would I need to wait for a
model that does have that built in & purchase that one
instead?

His reply was:

I have not heard anything about upgradeability on the
upcoming AVR-2807. I would guess in the case of AACS
it might be more involved than a simple upgrade, but
I don't know until all the dust settles. Really it
will be a while until HD equipment is truly finalized
and ready, plus all of the software manufacturers have
to produce titles to play. The current DVD formats
aren't going anywhere for quite a while yet.
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Some of this discussion regarding HDMI specifications gives me pause in terms of buying this or any other receiver with HDMI -- it just seems like there's a lot of dust that has yet to settle.

I might decide to get a less expensive receiver ($300 to $500) without HDMI for the time being and upgrade in a few years, at which point all this HDMI stuff should be sorted out.

We'll see ...

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That is disturbing. Additionally, I just thought that the AACS was settled this last week. Blu-Ray is scheduled to be released May 23rd and HD-DVD in late march/early april so AACS needed to be finished before they were released.....getting concerned about the purchase now. Maybe I"ll just go out and buy a 3805...sigh.
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...available now at the Denon website. It's under Owners|Product Support and Quick Access Documents

(Sorry I'm a newbie and can't list the URL until I make a few more posts.)
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(Sorry I'm a newbie and can't list the URL until I make a few more posts.)

No problemo, here's the link to the 2807 user manual:

http://usa.denon.com/AVR-2807-OM.pdf

I guess global crossovers are history for Denon (can be set individually for each speaker pair).

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