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Thanks for the quick response!

Im not sure I understand. Are you able to watch a movie, show etc and have the volume controls in white but everything else is transparent.

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When you change volume or press 'select' to view the status it will display the volume level or input statuses for a few seconds and goes away.
The text appearance is the same as closed caption text would appears in a movie. The status display timeout is adjustable from 1s to 15s.
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That's good news. Time to watch the game and have a beer.

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Thanks for the quick response!

Im not sure I understand. Are you able to watch a movie, show etc and have the volume controls in white but everything else is transparent.

May I add this forum does rock!

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This might be a matter of terminology. Anthem calls all their setup screens the OSD. You can change the color of the OSD. It is not transparent.. Not even translucent. When you call up any of the OSD screens it replaces the video portion of the program you are watching.
The Volume as well as all the onscreen function displays are in White and not transparent. But they are not obtrusive at all.
The only adjustment available is in the the Setup for display setting and you can adjust how long the function or volume display should remain visible.
The volume is displayed in db rather than a visual bar graph.
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The Volume as well as all the onscreen function displays are in White and not transparent.
To be clear, the text is opaque, but the background is translucent, just like the volume on any TV.

See what an anamorphoscopic lens can do,
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Thanks stranger89 and thestewsman

If anyone can help me on another question? Didn't get the unit yet but,

The Sales Order's description says Anthem AVM-50v Home Theater Processor V3 3D. Is that the same as Anthem AVM-50v 3D.

If anyone can help that would be a load off my back.

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Thanks stranger89 and thestewsman

If anyone can help me on another question? Didn't get the unit yet but,

The Sales Order's description says Anthem AVM-50v Home Theater Processor V3 3D. Is that the same as Anthem AVM-50v 3D.

If anyone can help that would be a load off my back.

Thanks Rob
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Probably one and the same. Just the way they wrote the sales order
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Question for the ARC experts. I'm pulling my hair out trying to understand what's going on and if it's a problem.

Every time I run ARC (3.02) I get a reference level targeted at 70. I will preface that with that I have been diligent about setting the test level at 75db with a SPL meter and prior to doing that zeroing out all other trims, and making sure LF is at 0db.....

So I guess i'm asking:

1. Does it really matter if my reference level is targeted at 70 db... am I missing out on something or do I just need to turn up my volume a little louder?
2. Could this issue be a bug?
3. Should I just bump up my test level +5 db, regardless of what my SPL meter is telling me another rerun and be done with it?

I'd really like to get this correct so any direction on what approach I should take would be appreciated.

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Question for the ARC experts. I'm pulling my hair out trying to understand what's going on and if it's a problem.

Every time I run ARC (3.02) I get a reference level targeted at 70. I will preface that with that I have been diligent about setting the test level at 75db with a SPL meter and prior to doing that zeroing out all other trims, and making sure LF is at 0db.....

So I guess i'm asking:

1. Does it really matter if my reference level is targeted at 70 db... am I missing out on something or do I just need to turn up my volume a little louder?
2. Could this issue be a bug?
3. Should I just bump up my test level +5 db, regardless of what my SPL meter is telling me another rerun and be done with it?

I'd really like to get this correct so any direction on what approach I should take would be appreciated.
Nothing to worry about.
Anthem has stated the 75db is a relative reference level and ARC will internally make any adjustment neccessary.
But if you want you could rerun ARC and raise your levels 5db. It is possible your SPL meter is not 100% accurate.
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Nothing to worry about.
Anthem has stated the 75db is a relative reference level and ARC will internally make any adjustment neccessary.
But if you want you could rerun ARC and raise your levels 5db. It is possible your SPL meter is not 100% accurate.
Good deal. Thanks for the info. If it's not going to make any audible difference, I won't go through the trouble of rerunning ARC. I'm plenty happy with the Curves I have just didnt want to settle if I was going to miss out on something.
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Sounds like you are fine as is. If you want to post your ARC charts folks can see if there's anything that would be worth "tweaking". But raising the basic volume level of the solution shown on the charts a few dB is *NOT* reason enough to tweak.
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Sounds like you are fine as is. If you want to post your ARC charts folks can see if there's anything that would be worth "tweaking". But raising the basic volume level of the solution shown on the charts a few dB is *NOT* reason enough to tweak.
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Here are my charts... i'm open to feedback as i'm no expert. You will notice that I adjusted some (Music targets are what ARC suggested). I moved the Sub to Flat, bumped up the EQ to 10k and played with the crossovers a little.

The reason I adjusted crossovers was because my front 3 speakers match and my rear 4 match. not sure if I needed to make that change as it did little to the curves. Thought it may help?
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Here are my charts... i'm open to feedback as i'm no expert. You will notice that I adjusted some (Music targets are what ARC suggested). I moved the Sub to Flat, bumped up the EQ to 10k and played with the crossovers a little.

The reason I adjusted crossovers was because my front 3 speakers match and my rear 4 match. not sure if I needed to make that change as it did little to the curves. Thought it may help?
Looks great. It was not bad to start with and ARC has added the crowning touch.
Would you mind telling the forum what speakers you are using.
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Looks great. It was not bad to start with and ARC has added the crowning touch.
Would you mind telling the forum what speakers you are using.
Dumb luck I guess...

I have:
M&K s150's across the front
M&K s85's for the four rears
2 subs - An older Sunfire signature, and a SVS NSD-pb12 (both up front in the room)
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Question on using the Anthem D2 processor with more than one subwoofer:
I have a single subwoofer with my 5.1 set-up. However, I am now considering adding a second subwoofer to run a 5.2 configuration.
I would like your help with these questions:
1. How does ARC treat two subs? Independently or as just one sub?
2. The two subs can be used as a master/slave configuration. Is this the preferred method if using two subs with ARC? Or should each sub be independent of the other?
3. How do you physically connect your subs to the Anthem? "Y" connectors? (BTW I intend to use XLR cables)
4. The subs have room correction software. I would assume that I should first run the subs' room correction and THEN do ARC. Is my assumption correct?
5. Most of my use will be music (70%). I currently have a Velodyne (18") that is fairly old. I am looking at upgrading to newer Velodynes or JL Audio. Thoughts?

Thanks in advance!
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Question on using the Anthem D2 processor with more than one subwoofer:
I have a single subwoofer with my 5.1 set-up. However, I am now considering adding a second subwoofer to run a 5.2 configuration.
I would like your help with these questions:
1. How does ARC treat two subs? Independently or as just one sub?
2. The two subs can be used as a master/slave configuration. Is this the preferred method if using two subs with ARC? Or should each sub be independent of the other?
3. How do you physically connect your subs to the Anthem? "Y" connectors? (BTW I intend to use XLR cables)
4. The subs have room correction software. I would assume that I should first run the subs' room correction and THEN do ARC. Is my assumption correct?
5. Most of my use will be music (70%). I currently have a Velodyne (18") that is fairly old. I am looking at upgrading to newer Velodynes or JL Audio. Thoughts?

Thanks in advance!
ARC treats both subs as a single sub. Just calibrate the SPL of each sub independently before you run ARC. Make sure you've set the phase, etc. This is spelled out in the user manual.

With the Anthem you can use either a Y cable or use the independent XLR sub1 and sub2 outputs. There isn't any independent adjustment via room calibration that happens with each output so it's your preference. Given you're running balanced cables, use the Sub1 and Sub2 outputs with individual balanced cables.

I suggest you run ARC first and then look at the results. ARC is amazing with what it does. If you're not satisfied with the ARC results, then go back and run the built-in room correction software of the subs if they have it.

JL Audio's and REL's subwoofers are my first-choice. You do pay a premium for those brands. I've been reading some consistently impressive reviews lately about the SVS line of Ultra subs (http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer...ltra-subwoofer and http://www.pooraudiophile.com/2014/0...er-review.html). They offer a 45 day in-home trial with no shipping cost either way. I haven't had a chance to listen to any of the new Velodynes since they went consumer-direct.

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Question on using the Anthem D2 processor with more than one subwoofer:
I have a single subwoofer with my 5.1 set-up. However, I am now considering adding a second subwoofer to run a 5.2 configuration.
I would like your help with these questions:
1. How does ARC treat two subs? Independently or as just one sub?
2. The two subs can be used as a master/slave configuration. Is this the preferred method if using two subs with ARC? Or should each sub be independent of the other?
3. How do you physically connect your subs to the Anthem? "Y" connectors? (BTW I intend to use XLR cables)
4. The subs have room correction software. I would assume that I should first run the subs' room correction and THEN do ARC. Is my assumption correct?
5. Most of my use will be music (70%). I currently have a Velodyne (18") that is fairly old. I am looking at upgrading to newer Velodynes or JL Audio. Thoughts?

Thanks in advance!
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ARC treats both subs as a single sub. Just calibrate the SPL of each sub independently before you run ARC. Make sure you've set the phase, etc. This is spelled out in the user manual.

With the Anthem you can use either a Y cable or use the independent XLR sub1 and sub2 outputs. There isn't any independent adjustment via room calibration that happens with each output so it's your preference. Given you're running balanced cables, use the Sub1 and Sub2 outputs with individual balanced cables.

I suggest you run ARC first and then look at the results. ARC is amazing with what it does. If you're not satisfied with the ARC results, then go back and run the built-in room correction software of the subs if they have it.

JL Audio's and REL's subwoofers are my first-choice. You do pay a premium for those brands. I've been reading some consistently impressive reviews lately about the SVS line of Ultra subs (http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer...ltra-subwoofer and http://www.pooraudiophile.com/2014/0...er-review.html). They offer a 45 day in-home trial with no shipping cost either way. I haven't had a chance to listen to any of the new Velodynes since they went consumer-direct.
Make sure in setup your have chosen 1 Sub not 2 Subs
2 Subs is used without ARC
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Question on using the Anthem D2 processor with more than one subwoofer:
I have a single subwoofer with my 5.1 set-up. However, I am now considering adding a second subwoofer to run a 5.2 configuration.
I would like your help with these questions:
1. How does ARC treat two subs? Independently or as just one sub?
2. The two subs can be used as a master/slave configuration. Is this the preferred method if using two subs with ARC? Or should each sub be independent of the other?
3. How do you physically connect your subs to the Anthem? "Y" connectors? (BTW I intend to use XLR cables)
4. The subs have room correction software. I would assume that I should first run the subs' room correction and THEN do ARC. Is my assumption correct?
5. Most of my use will be music (70%). I currently have a Velodyne (18") that is fairly old. I am looking at upgrading to newer Velodynes or JL Audio. Thoughts?

Thanks in advance!
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ARC treats both subs as a single sub. Just calibrate the SPL of each sub independently before you run ARC. Make sure you've set the phase, etc. This is spelled out in the user manual.

With the Anthem you can use either a Y cable or use the independent XLR sub1 and sub2 outputs. There isn't any independent adjustment via room calibration that happens with each output so it's your preference. Given you're running balanced cables, use the Sub1 and Sub2 outputs with individual balanced cables.

I suggest you run ARC first and then look at the results. ARC is amazing with what it does. If you're not satisfied with the ARC results, then go back and run the built-in room correction software of the subs if they have it.

JL Audio's and REL's subwoofers are my first-choice. You do pay a premium for those brands. I've been reading some consistently impressive reviews lately about the SVS line of Ultra subs (http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer...ltra-subwoofer and http://www.pooraudiophile.com/2014/0...er-review.html). They offer a 45 day in-home trial with no shipping cost either way. I haven't had a chance to listen to any of the new Velodynes since they went consumer-direct.
One easily made mistake that was not mentioned.
Make sure in setup your have chosen 1 Sub not 2 Subs
2 Subs is used without ARC
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One easily made mistake that was not mentioned.
Make sure in setup your have chosen 1 Sub not 2 Subs
2 Subs is used without ARC
Thxtheater, thestewman,
Thank you both very much! Great suggestions. I will look into other suggested subs as well.
Thanks again!!
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Thxtheater, thestewman,
Thank you both very much! Great suggestions. I will look into other suggested subs as well.
Thanks again!!
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Don't overlook the fabulous Paradigm Sub 1 and Sub 2 and others
That's a +1 on the Paradigm subs too. Their higher end subs are pricey but have solid specs.
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D2 ARC question....I've been doing some adjustments with a new sub. To speed thing up, I set ARC settings just to run tones for L, R and Sub. I found a position that seems good, and uploaded the settings to the unit. I tested and was very impressed with the sound. Bass slammed me in the chest when it should have. I did notice that instead of 5.1 + Dolby PLIIx on 5.1 input, I was just getting 5.1 with no PLIIx. I could not get it to switch PLIIx on....did the upload make it think I do not have a 7.1 setup?

I went ahead and ran a full calibration for all 7 speakers and sub in 5 positions. Uploaded the settings to the unit. Played same demo material, and PLIIx was back. However, bass wasn't quit as strong as it was before.

Is there some reason that bass output would be different between the two ARC uploads?

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In a system with only 2 Surround speakers, those two Surrounds are your *SIDE* Surrounds, regardless of how far back you have them placed physically.

Wire them to the Side Surround outputs of the Anthem, and do ARC by specifying you have Side Surrounds but no Rear Surrounds.

Ideally your 2 Surrounds should be positioned at about 110 degrees around to either side, measuring the angle from straight to the screen as 0 degrees -- so somewhat behind your seating but not directly behind it. However, regardless of where you have actually placed them, the system will treat them as Side Surrounds for wiring and for ARC.
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Hi
Got my AVM50v.
Hooked it up but I can get a picture. Iv been working with it for over 5 hours. I would appreciate any info as to how to get a picture. Been going over the manual and cant find nothing.

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Got my AVM50v.
Hooked it up but I can get a picture. Iv been working with it for over 5 hours. I would appreciate any info as to how to get a picture. Been going over the manual and cant find nothing.

Thank you Rob
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You have to give some more details.
Describe all your wiring from sources and connections.
And then describe in detail how you setup the sources in the Anthem.
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Hi thestewman
I got up at 7;00am and started tweeking and I figured it out. I love this processor! My only gripe is on a strict 5.1 channel mode the sound comes out of the surrounds and not the rears. But I can live with that.
Thanks for offering to help, you and others were a big help, and I do appreciate that help!

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D2 ARC question....I've been doing some adjustments with a new sub. To speed thing up, I set ARC settings just to run tones for L, R and Sub. I found a position that seems good, and uploaded the settings to the unit. I tested and was very impressed with the sound. Bass slammed me in the chest when it should have. I did notice that instead of 5.1 + Dolby PLIIx on 5.1 input, I was just getting 5.1 with no PLIIx. I could not get it to switch PLIIx on....did the upload make it think I do not have a 7.1 setup?

I went ahead and ran a full calibration for all 7 speakers and sub in 5 positions. Uploaded the settings to the unit. Played same demo material, and PLIIx was back. However, bass wasn't quit as strong as it was before.

Is there some reason that bass output would be different between the two ARC uploads?
Yes, ARC Uploads the "speaker configuration" along with the solution. So if you built the solution as 2.1 speakers, then ARC will set 2.1 speakers as part of the Upload.

Now, when you play 5.1 content into a 2.1 speaker system several things happen. First you get a down-mix, which alters the sound. Second you can't enable surround sound processing like PLIIx because there's no work for it to do. I.e., it can't expand 5.1 to more speakers because you don't even have 5.1 configured.

When you play down-mixed audio, the volume is different. This may cause you to raise Main Volume. When you switch to your true, 7.1 configuration that may mean you are playing at a different volume which could account for the bass.

There are a couple things you can do to verify the 7.1 ARC solution is doing the right thing. First, play the LPCM test tracks from AIX Audio Calibration, Blu-ray, and verify matched speaker and Sub levels with an SPL meter. That will show you haven't somehow screwed up the levels after uploading the ARC solution. If the levels are wrong, before you do anything else, reset the "temporary" level adjustments that can be set using the buttons on the remote. These are remembered per input format and so you can easily confuse yourself into leaving some of them enabled. The fastest way to reset these is:

1) Save User Settings
2) Restore Factory Defaults
3) Load Saved User Settings

Since the "temporary" settings are not saved, this resets all of them. Also check that you have the Tone controls bypassed (button on the remote) and that you haven't added any EQ filtering to your Setup > Source Setup definition.

NOTE: Sub may measure a few dB hot in SPL due to the Room Gain built into the ARC solution. This is normal.

Once you find that levels are matched, then play the Crossover test from that AIX disc. That will send a bass sweep to the front speakers (only). At the high frequency end the sweep tone will all come out of the fronts. At the low frequency end it will all come out from the Sub due to Crossover processing set up by ARC. In between you get a mix. If things are working right, that sweep tone should be constant volume from end to end -- except for the lowest bass which is more felt than heard.

If the levels are matched and Crossover test sounds good, then you can feel confident ARC is doing the right thing, and the difference you heard earlier was likely due to the down-mix processing and how you reacted to that (e.g., volume adjustment).
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Bob,

Thanks. I will try your suggestions. One concern is that I may have a faulty ARC microphone as it reports background noise very often when the room is dead slient.... I see several versions out there...ARC, ARC1, ARC1M. Which will work with a D2? Will any NOT work?

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There is only one version of ARC that works with the D2. It is v3.0.2 downloadable from Anthem's support page, the same version that works with all their pre-pros.

Background noise may mean bass vibrations that you can't hear but the mic can "feel". For example, from passing traffic, or some motor nearby like a fridge or HVAC. It also may mean that you've got the Test Level set low so that the sweep tone levels are not loud enough for the mic to hear clearly.
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Thanks Bob--I mean more the hardware...I see a kit with USB Mic and DB9 connector labled as Anthem ARC. I also see I "ARC1" and "ARC1M" kit.

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