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Not unusual for cable or satellite and especially hockey or sporting events. They transmit stereo almost exclusively.
The game you will have to test on another machine or get a second copy to determine if it is the game or if it is defective.
Hey Stew,

But if it was the source you would think the D2v would change the display wouldn't you?

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^ What he's saying is that it is not unusual for programs like that to only have audio in the LF/RF channels even though they are transmitting a 5.1 Bitstream.
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^ What he's saying is that it is not unusual for programs like that to only have audio in the LF/RF channels even though they are transmitting a 5.1 Bitstream.
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There are so many people and so much handling of the signal before it reaches us there is no way to know where the multichannel signal disappeared or when it was removed.
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^ What he's saying is that it is not unusual for programs like that to only have audio in the LF/RF channels even though they are transmitting a 5.1 Bitstream.
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I did not know that, thanks for your time guys.

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Questions for you

Did you use a sound level meter to set the levels.? They are a bit high at 85 db. They should be 75 db

Did you use ARC in the Manual mode and not Auto ?
Did you go into the Targets/Advanced screen and set the Sub Woofer to Flat ? And at 20hz

Have you checked you turned Room EQ ON for the audio sources you want to use ARC with ?
Most of your sources are analog so remember ARC does not work with any source audio set to Analog Direct they have to be Analog Digital

You forgot to post the Targets window we need that to make suggestions.

You can see that RBK took care of reducing ARC's processing of the SUB.
I think you should use ARC / Quick Measure and see if you can eliminate the low end problem with your Left Front speaker. Maybe they are still to far from the front wall.

What is your assessment of what you now hear.

Personally I would not use ARC for your turntable/phono amp or your open reel machine.
I like to use Analog Direct on all my analog and HiRez stereo or multichannel sources.
You should compare Analog Direct to Analog Digital to determine which you prefer.

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Stew,


I did not set the levels, I did use the manual ARC and set the sub levels. Since that post I did move my fronts back a little to about 4.5 feet from the wall.

Of course my laptop is having issues and not letting copy my charts.

As for my Analog side. While i was in mid construction I had the D2v in a room with cathedral ceilings and wood floors. So I found that the Analog DSP was blessing in that room. In the new room I prefer the tape in DSP, as for Vinyl I don't know. Sunday when I was going to play my first record I snapped my cartridge. A heartbreaking and stupid thing on my part. Waiting for an exchange with ClearAudio, and that will be a few weeks, (and the coin I stashed for acoustical treatments).


More to follow as I progress. Hope to have charts up shortly.


But I am much happier with the sound today than when I first posted.

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I did not set the levels, I did use the manual ARC and set the sub levels. Since that post I did move my fronts back a little to about 4.5 feet from the wall.

Of course my laptop is having issues and not letting copy my charts.

As for my Analog side. While i was in mid construction I had the D2v in a room with cathedral ceilings and wood floors. So I found that the Analog DSP was blessing in that room. In the new room I prefer the tape in DSP, as for Vinyl I don't know. Sunday when I was going to play my first record I snapped my cartridge. A heartbreaking and stupid thing on my part. Waiting for an exchange with ClearAudio, and that will be a few weeks, (and the coin I stashed for acoustical treatments).


More to follow as I progress. Hope to have charts up shortly.


But I am much happier with the sound today than when I first posted.

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Good to hear it is sounding better.
This is very important..If I am to interpret literally your statement " I did not set the levels, ".
And how do you come up with 4.5 ft from the front wall. Arbitrarily ?
Use Quick Measure so you can improve on the Left Front response and the sound stage
You have to set the levels EXACTLY as outlined in the manual. ARC cannot correctly or properly function without the basic setup. So what you are hearing is an improperly setup system. You might as well turn it off as ARC is currently trying to compensate for the wrong sound levels.

When you get the charts up do not forget the Target window.

And you never said if you checked each source to see if Room EQ is set to ON.


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Good to hear it is sounding better.
This is very important..If I am to interpret literally your statement " I did not set the levels, ".
And how do you come up with 4.5 ft from the front wall. Arbitrarily ?
Use Quick Measure so you can improve on the Left Front response and the sound stage
You have to set the levels EXACTLY as outlined in the manual. ARC cannot correctly or properly function without the basic setup. So what you are hearing is an improperly setup system. You might as well turn it off as ARC is currently trying to compensate for the wrong sound levels.

When you get the charts up do not forget the Target window.

And you never said if you checked each source to see if Room EQ is set to ON.


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I am confused as to setting the levels. Page 30 of the manual says use a meter to set the levels if not using ARC. So I did not adjust as I am using ARC. Please clarify how I am approaching this incorrectly.

I did utilize the quick measure function for the L&R fronts. This was how I determined that distance.

ARC is on for all sources.


As for the targets I set the SUb as you suggested. As for the the remainder of the speakers I left the crossovers at what ARC Autodetected. They were as Follows

Front 60
Center 60
surrounds 110
rears 95
Sub 85

I will hopefully have the charts up in a few hours
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OK,

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I am confused as to setting the levels. Page 30 of the manual says use a meter to set the levels if not using ARC. So I did not adjust as I am using ARC. Please clarify how I am approaching this incorrectly.

I did utilize the quick measure function for the L&R fronts. This was how I determined that distance.

ARC is on for all sources.


As for the targets I set the SUb as you suggested. As for the the remainder of the speakers I left the crossovers at what ARC Autodetected. They were as Follows

Front 60
Center 60
surrounds 110
rears 95
Sub 85

I will hopefully have the charts up in a few hours
I guess I would be confused also if I had to follow the Anthem manual exclusively.
Luckily we have some knowledgeable forum members who have hashed this out previously.

It does state in the ARC section of the D2v manual " The first microphone position is at the central listening position". " This is used to set Speaker Calibration Levels".
Yet Anthem does not have the instructions

You will need a Sound Lever Meter set to C weighted, Slow response

Here is Bob Pariseau's Speaker Calibration Technique

"Zero all the lines in Setup > Level Calibration, then use the Test Level line (test tone will come from LF speaker) and adjust that to yield 75dB SPL measured with a sound pressure level meter at your ARC mic position 1 (center seating).
Everyone uses the inexpensive, digital readout SPL meter sold by Radio Shack. Point that straight up, held at arm's length, at seated ear height, and set to "Slow" response and "C" weighting.

Leave the rest of the Level Calibration lines at 0dB. Go down to to the Subwoofer line and, leaving that at 0dB, adjust the volume using the volume knob on the Sub itself. Ballpark settings are fine for this, as ARC will do all the fine tuning of volume levels.

With the Test Level line and the Sub volume knob set, and with speaker distances and Sub Phase dialed in, you can now do your ARC Measurement pass.
NOTE: You only have to do these preliminaries once (presuming you don't shift speakers around), as what you set up here will still be in place for any subsequent ARC runs you do."

Also I looked at your latest charts and noticed two items that absolutely need fixing.

There is something wrong with both the front speakers
The anomaly in the frequency response of the Left Front speaker. Try Quick Measure and see if you can eliminate the dip from 50hz to 200hz.
There is also an anomaly in the right front speaker starting at 400 hz and going to 50hz.
I suggest you try switching the amp inputs and rerunning ARC or Quick Measure to see if changing the inputs changes the freq response charts.
Or, temporarily switch the speakers and see if the charts change with the speakers.
You are not going to get the sound you want until you get a hand on the problem.
With the left front speaker ARC has added as much correction as the program allows and it is not enough to overcome the problem.

Last, when looking at your Targets for some reason it did not lock in the changes to the sub.
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Did you use a sound level meter to set the levels.? They are a bit high at 85 db. They should be 75 db

I would question first if he is running Windows 8. ARC is known to number the charts 10dB high under Windows 8.

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I would question first if he is running Windows 8. ARC is known to number the charts 10dB high under Windows 8.
He has stated,

"I am confused as to setting the levels. Page 30 of the manual says use a meter to set the levels if not using ARC. So I did not adjust as I am using ARC. Please clarify how I am approaching this incorrectly."

He properly followed the Anthem D2v manual which does not instruct you to set the speaker levels if using ARC.
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OK,

Looks like I'll start from scratch again. Thanks for taking the time to help

I'm running Vista on my laptop



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1. Front Left measured response has a notch at 80 Hz resulting in a slight miss after eq compared to target curve. This 2 dB may not be audible since another front speaker and the sub are also playing though repositioning the speaker may help (the right speaker would also have to be moved in symmetry) if there's room for doing so. Either way, changing Fronts and Center targets to 80 Hz and recalculating can also help.

2. Your sub channel measured response (red curve) declines steadily from just over 70 Hz, and it's really low at 100 Hz, which usually means the sub's crossover is in effect. This could contribute to booming sound. Check whether the sub's crossover setting is as high as it goes and if it's not, set it to max and re-run ARC. Since it's a Sub 1, don't forget to set sub advanced target to Flat in ARC (PBK does this in itself since it knows you're using a Sub 1... ARC doesn't).

No need to set levels manually because absolute level (75 dB) matters in terms of getting certain SPL when volume dial is at 0 dB, which hardly seems to happen since it's so loud. The main point is that all speaker levels are matched to one another.

Uploading ARC turns it on for all sources.

For more advice you can always send your .arc and .pdm files to tech support.

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1. Front Left measured response has a notch at 80 Hz resulting in a slight miss after eq compared to target curve. This 2 dB may not be audible since another front speaker and the sub are also playing though repositioning the speaker may help (the right speaker would also have to be moved in symmetry) if there's room for doing so. Either way, changing Fronts and Center targets to 80 Hz and recalculating can also help.

2. Your sub channel measured response (red curve) declines steadily from just over 70 Hz, and it's really low at 100 Hz, which usually means the sub's crossover is in effect. This could contribute to booming sound. Check whether the sub's crossover setting is as high as it goes and if it's not, set it to max and re-run ARC. Since it's a Sub 1, don't forget to set sub advanced target to Flat in ARC (PBK does this in itself since it knows you're using a Sub 1... ARC doesn't).

No need to set levels manually because absolute level (75 dB) matters in terms of getting certain SPL when volume dial is at 0 dB, which hardly seems to happen since it's so loud. The main point is that all speaker levels are matched to one another.

Uploading ARC turns it on for all sources.

For more advice you can always send your .arc and .pdm files to tech support.
Nick,

Thanks for the information. I have some work ahead of me
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1. Front Left measured response has a notch at 80 Hz resulting in a slight miss after eq compared to target curve. This 2 dB may not be audible since another front speaker and the sub are also playing though repositioning the speaker may help (the right speaker would also have to be moved in symmetry) if there's room for doing so. Either way, changing Fronts and Center targets to 80 Hz and recalculating can also help.

2. Your sub channel measured response (red curve) declines steadily from just over 70 Hz, and it's really low at 100 Hz, which usually means the sub's crossover is in effect. This could contribute to booming sound. Check whether the sub's crossover setting is as high as it goes and if it's not, set it to max and re-run ARC. Since it's a Sub 1, don't forget to set sub advanced target to Flat in ARC (PBK does this in itself since it knows you're using a Sub 1... ARC doesn't).

No need to set levels manually because absolute level (75 dB) matters in terms of getting certain SPL when volume dial is at 0 dB, which hardly seems to happen since it's so loud. The main point is that all speaker levels are matched to one another.

Uploading ARC turns it on for all sources.


For more advice you can always send your .arc and .pdm files to tech support.
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Thanks for adding a professional opinion on his charts.Really appreciated to see you are still watching the forum.
In regards to setting the levels. How would one know the levels are matched if you do not test and set them ?
He is using separate amplifiers and we do not know if he is using a mixture of balanced and single ended connections.
With the Signature S8 speakers I could not find any user manuals on the Paradigm web site.
Is there a User manual available to download ?
This leaves us in the dark in knowing what is adjustable on each speaker or where they might be set.

He ran PBK on his Sub 1 prior to ARC and all his SUB 1 settings should have been preset.
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"How would one know the levels are matched if you do not test and set them ?"

ARC measures levels and during upload it sets the level calibration menu according to mic position 1. This is why the instructions say start ARC measurements in the central listening position and don't worry about setting levels in the calibration menu if using ARC.

"He is using separate amplifiers and we do not know if he is using a mixture of balanced and single ended connections."

Knowing wouldn't make a difference. Level measurement picks up on everything affecting level from signal generator to mic, namely pre-out voltage, amp gain, speaker efficiency and proximity. Calibration exists to account for the differences by making all speakers play at the same volume.

"With the Signature S8 speakers I could not find any user manuals on the Paradigm web site. Is there a User manual available to download ?"

Click on Reviews & Downloads or Support. It's the same layout on the Anthem site.

"He ran PBK on his Sub 1 prior to ARC and all his SUB 1 settings should have been preset."

The subwoofer measured curve (the red one) on his second set of ARC graphs resembles an 80 Hz crossover. This means the subwoofer's crossover isn't set where it needs to be.

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"How would one know the levels are matched if you do not test and set them ?"

ARC measures levels and during upload it sets the level calibration menu according to mic position 1. This is why the instructions say start ARC measurements in the central listening position and don't worry about setting levels in the calibration menu if using ARC.

"He is using separate amplifiers and we do not know if he is using a mixture of balanced and single ended connections."

Knowing wouldn't make a difference. Level measurement picks up on everything affecting level from signal generator to mic, namely pre-out voltage, amp gain, speaker efficiency and proximity. Calibration exists to account for the differences by making all speakers play at the same volume.

"With the Signature S8 speakers I could not find any user manuals on the Paradigm web site. Is there a User manual available to download ?"

Click on Reviews & Downloads or Support. It's the same layout on the Anthem site.

"He ran PBK on his Sub 1 prior to ARC and all his SUB 1 settings should have been preset."

The subwoofer measured curve (the red one) on his second set of ARC graphs resembles an 80 Hz crossover. This means the subwoofer's crossover isn't set where it needs to be.
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Thank you

The entire forum has been laboring under incorrect information about setting levels since the start of the forum.
Surprisingly no one ever picked up on that until now, years later
It will make running ARC somewhat easier not having to test levels

Reference your information on the S8 User manual that was were I looked.
Either I am blind and cannot see good or it does not exist.

And yes his targets say 85hz for the sub cutoff. My own Sub2 says 140hz

Thanks again for the education
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The value of pre-setting Test Level and then the Sub's Volume knob is that it gets things in The Right Ballpark for ARC to do its job.

If people have been using their speaker configuration in a manual (pre-ARC) setup, it may very well *ALREADY* be in The Right Ballpark, and if it is close enough, ARC can certainly take it from there without any such preliminary steps.

But enough people have wacky setups that doing these quick preliminary steps is, in my opinion, still wise, and minimizes the chances that ARC will complain it can't hear the Sub (or main speakers) or that the necessary trim corrections are outside the range the hardware can provide.

Test Level is the "master volume" for the ARC Test Tones. By presetting it, you can be sure ARC will have enough volume to hear what it needs to hear from the test tone sweeps. ARC can handle a pretty wide range of amp gains and speaker sensitivities, and if you've already been listening to your speaker configuration prior to ARC, odds are, it is already "close enough". But setting it makes sure.

The trim levels available in the hardware have limits. If the volume knob on the Sub puts it too far out of range of what the main speakers are producing, ARC will not be able to trim it -- and will complain. For many people, setting the Sub volume properly means lowering it -- i.e., the tendency is for folks to have too MUCH bass built into their manual setups. If ARC runs out of trim room it will complain and you'll have to do the adjustment anyway. Sometimes folks have the Sub's volume knob set too low and ARC will complain it can't hear the sub reliably.

By setting Test Level, and then the Sub's volume knob, you get BOTH of them into The Right Ballpark, and insure that ARC can take it from there. The bit about zeroing out the other trim settings is to keep the instructions simple. The output of Test Level is altered by the trim setting for the LF speaker. And so if you are going to go through the exercise of presetting Test Level, you start by zeroing the LF trim. And of course you want 0 Sub trim as well when setting the volume knob on the Sub. Telling folks to zero ALL the trim settings as the first step is just simpler than explaining all this.

ARC was designed so that MOST people would just be able to Measure and go without doing preliminary stuff. But doing these simple preliminary steps takes care of anyone whose setup just happens to be further afield.

Speaker distances and Sub Phase also need to be adjusted Manually of course, so the preliminary level settings here are just one more, simple task to help make sure ARC setup goes smoothly.

To put it another way, if you DON'T do the preliminary level setting, and ARC finds no reason to complain, then you are good to go as far as trim levels are concerned.
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If the volume knob on the Sub puts it too far out of range of what the main speakers are producing, ARC will not be able to trim it -- and will complain.
Mid-way position usually works. If output is too low, ARC produces an error message saying it can't hear the sub well enough and asks whether to play the sweep again vs starting over. When some consecutive attempts at sweeping don't work it says raise the sub's level and start a new measurement. On the other hand if level is too high, ARC says it's out of adjustment range, lower it and start over.

Preliminary setup can help avoid the following though without an SPL meter the maximum penalty is having to re-run ARC: If input level is way up but not high enough for ARC to complain, it may still be high enough to put the sub into "party mode" where it rolls off the low end if things get too loud, so it can keep playing without making funny or self-destructive noises. Sub channel in the level calibration menu will likely be minus double-digit. If you see this and are using a smaller sub, you may want to turn down its input dial and re-measure.

Before deeming that early bottom-end rolloff on a graph is caused by too-high input level (entry level subs can have zero output below 40 Hz by design regardless of level) the near-universal cause - acoustic cancellation - needs to be checked.

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I think I may have asked this in a different form, but is the analog audio section of a D2 different from that of a D2v? I could send lossless codecs processed by my 105 as LPCM to a D2 via HDMI. Any comparison of the analog sound from a D2 with that from a 105 or Sony XA5400ES would be appreciated. Currently, stereo from my Oppo and Sony are connected to my Parasound JC-2 BP analog preamp, surround from the Oppo goes directly to the amps. The Sony can only do surround via HDMI, so it used for stereo only. Obviously, I could look for a good used D2v or leave the setup as it is without an Anthem. Maybe there isn't a role for the Sony now that the Ayre is doing stereo.

I thought it might be interesting to try ARC for surround. I could use a Goldpoint switch to select surround from the Anthem or stereo from the JC-2 BP, but perhaps I'm over complicating things.

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audio drops when changing to certain channels

I have been trying to set up my D2v3d for several days now and have an issue I have not been able to correct. When changing channels on the Dish Hopper there will be no audio on certain channels; however, if I use the remote and change the source from SAT to another source, like DVD, then back to SAT the audio will come back on, change to another channel and then back to the one that initially had no audio and, again, no audio unless I do the trick I just mentioned. I'm stumped, I figure it is a setting on the D2v that I have chosen poorly, but nothing I have tried fixes the problem. Any helpful suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks.

Anthem goes via HDMI 1 out to Pioneer Elite Pro-141FD display monitor. Dish Hopper to Anthem input HDMI 1 and OPPO 105D to Anthem input HDMI 2.

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^ Try optical or coax (single RCA cable) connection from the box to the D2v and configure SAT audio input accordingly in the D2v source setup menu. Broadcast doesn't use multichannel lossless audio therefore does not require HDMI audio, but to ensure 5.1-channel stations remain 5.1, check the box settings to make sure coax/optical output isn't set to stereo.

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is the analog audio section of a D2 different from that of a D2v?
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^ Try optical or coax (single RCA cable) connection from the box to the D2v and configure SAT audio input accordingly in the D2v source setup menu. Broadcast doesn't use multichannel lossless audio therefore does not require HDMI audio, but to ensure 5.1-channel stations remain 5.1, check the box settings to make sure coax/optical output isn't set to stereo.
Thanks Nick, I will give it a try.
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Thanks for the information. I have some work ahead of me
Ok here are my latest charts
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The sub's -3 dB point changed from 70 Hz to 100 Hz, which fills in the top end of the sub channel nicely.

As for the still-present front left 2 dB drop in the area of 80 Hz there doesn't seem to be much more that can be done easily, but now that the sub has the area covered it should be less of an issue. You might want to change fronts target from 60 Hz to 80 Hz and recalculate to see what happens but I don't expect things will change much. Even if front left does reach target, there are still two other speakers playing 80 Hz (front right and sub) so a 2 dB SPL increase in one channel's crossover area translates to an overall increase of around half a dB in the same area depending on how in-phase the three sound sources are, and this is just in terms of redirected bass, before independent LFE content is added.

The final test of course is how it sounds with the latest parameters and if it's not the desired result, keeping in mind that your new room may never sound like the previous one, try changing room gain in targets or sub level in the menu one dB at a time and see how that sounds. Changing room gain affects sub level by an equal amount, so don't double-compensate inadvertently by changing the menu at the same time in the same direction.

If higher-frequency reflections are an issue and you're up for more tweaks, mark the existing angle with tape on the floor in case you want to revert, aim the front speakers more toward the main listener, and re-measure.

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The sub's -3 dB point changed from 70 Hz to 100 Hz, which fills in the top end of the sub channel nicely.

As for the still-present front left 2 dB drop in the area of 80 Hz there doesn't seem to be much more that can be done easily, but now that the sub has the area covered it should be less of an issue. You might want to change fronts target from 60 Hz to 80 Hz and recalculate to see what happens but I don't expect things will change much. Even if front left does reach target, there are still two other speakers playing 80 Hz (front right and sub) so a 2 dB SPL increase in one channel's crossover area translates to an overall increase of around half a dB in the same area depending on how in-phase the three sound sources are, and this is just in terms of redirected bass, before independent LFE content is added.

The final test of course is how it sounds with the latest parameters and if it's not the desired result, keeping in mind that your new room may never sound like the previous one, try changing room gain in targets or sub level in the menu one dB at a time and see how that sounds. Changing room gain affects sub level by an equal amount, so don't double-compensate inadvertently by changing the menu at the same time in the same direction.

If higher-frequency reflections are an issue and you're up for more tweaks, mark the existing angle with tape on the floor in case you want to revert, aim the front speakers more toward the main listener, and re-measure.
Thanks Nick,

My room has does not really have too muck in the way of acoustical treatments at his time. I have some Acoustic ceiling tiles temporarily mounted on the walls at the first reflection point from ceiling to floor, and a 24x24 in each corner. Nothing on the ceiling either. And I only have a single recliner in the 1st position at this time as well.

So my question is ( since you are familiar with S8v2's) is the issue a speaker placement /room acoustic issue or a limitation of the speaker?

As for the sound I am happier then I have been so far. And your advice and Stew's has gotten me to this point. I am open to tweaking the room so Ill work with the alignment of my fronts.

My gut is telling me that the room is not helping me, a simple clap test in the room shows it. But I am a bit over my head with that and don't want to just buy a treatment package and throw it up in the hopes it improves things. So I'll have to do some more homework on that end.

Thanks for the support folks!

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Bob/Nick,

HDMI-1 from my Oppo 105 goes directly to a Sony VPL VW 50ES projector; HDMI-2 goes to a Sony monitor. If I install an Anthem D2 for surround sound with ARC I had thought to continue the HDMI-1 connection. But after reading reviews of the D2 this morning, I wonder if I should use the video processing of the D2 or 105. Any advice?

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If you are talking an original D2 I'd probably continue with the 2 cable arrangement you have now. With a newer D2v, single HDMI 1 from the OPPO through the D2v should be the way to go. Send 1080p/24 from the OPPO to the D2v. Leave the picture adjustments in the OPPO and D2v at their defaults, and calibrate video using the adjustments in the Display. The D2v won't actually be doing any video processing that gets in the way.

You could also use 2 cable, but simpler cabling is usually better for HDMI.
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Thanks Nick, I will give it a try.
You nailed it Nick, thanks again.
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