Anthem D2/D2v/AVM50/AVM50v/ARC1 tweaking guide - Page 1464 - AVS | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Baselworld is only a few weeks away. Getting the latest news is easy, Click Here for info on how to join the Watchuseek.com newsletter list. Follow our team for updates featuring event coverage, new product unveilings, watch industry news & more!


Forum Jump: 
 66Likes
Reply
Thread Tools
post #43891 of 43902 Old 04-28-2015, 11:05 AM
Member
 
gerard1meehan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Long Island NY
Posts: 88
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Hi Stew,

It's a bit of a mixed bag honestly. For the turntable I "mostly" like the DSP with ARC, but I wrecked my old cartridge and I'm in the breakin period for the new one. Also this week My Halo J3 phono stage is being delivered so that could change all of it.

On the 15 IPS tape I like direct "mostly" and then DSP without Arc. But as of right now my library is limited to more classical pieces as they the most reasonably priced to acquire.



when it's all up and running again I'll do some tests.
gerard1meehan is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #43892 of 43902 Old 04-28-2015, 11:11 AM
Read the FAQ!
 
Bob Pariseau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 28,514
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 871 Post(s)
Liked: 1117
Quote:
Originally Posted by thestewman View Post
Bob

I think you are referring to the older D2 as the D2v upscales to 192 for all digital audio.

Nevertheless, the Analog input is digitized at no higher than 96kHz, and that becomes the limiting factor.
--Bob

Anthem D2/D2v/AVM50/AVM50v/ARC1 tweaking guide. -- Need personal consultation/training? PM me!
Bob Pariseau is online now  
post #43893 of 43902 Old 04-28-2015, 02:16 PM
Advanced Member
 
tngiloy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Morrison, Colorado
Posts: 784
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 28 Post(s)
Liked: 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerard1meehan View Post
Quick question,

On the D2v. Analog DSP input is processed at 24/96 or 24/192??
This is fro the D2v manual. Maybe I don't understand something here, but it looks like it is processed at 24/192. Where is the limitation?


Tom
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	d2v1.JPG
Views:	17
Size:	78.8 KB
ID:	691674  

"When all else fails, read the manual."
tngiloy is online now  
post #43894 of 43902 Old 04-28-2015, 04:06 PM
Advanced Member
 
Shrike645's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Cambridge, Ont
Posts: 766
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post
This is fro the D2v manual. Maybe I don't understand something here, but it looks like it is processed at 24/192. Where is the limitation?


Tom
I thought all ARC processing was 24/96 which goes along with what Bob said. While it accepts 24/192 in if ARC is on it's down sampled.
Shrike645 is offline  
post #43895 of 43902 Old 04-28-2015, 05:21 PM
Advanced Member
 
tngiloy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Morrison, Colorado
Posts: 784
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 28 Post(s)
Liked: 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrike645 View Post
I thought all ARC processing was 24/96 which goes along with what Bob said. While it accepts 24/192 in if ARC is on it's down sampled.

You and Bob may be right, but the way the manual is worded makes it sound as if "In Digital and Analog-DSP, All channels are upsampled to 24 bit/192kHz ,....".
Seems pretty straight forward to me. And I'm pretty sure ARC is a form of DSP.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it would seem that either the manual is wrong, or you and Bob or wrong, or there is something here I am not understanding.
Please enlighten me if I'm wrong.


FWIW, 96kHz is probably more than enough upsampling. When I download digital music I usually choose 96kHz, even if 192kHz is available. Partly because its cheaper, but mostly because I can't hear the difference. And I really don't want to start that conversation here. I would just like to know what I'm not understanding.


Tom
thestewman likes this.

"When all else fails, read the manual."
tngiloy is online now  
post #43896 of 43902 Old 04-28-2015, 09:26 PM
AVS Special Member
 
thestewman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: NW Chicago
Posts: 1,765
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 144 Post(s)
Liked: 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post
You and Bob may be right, but the way the manual is worded makes it sound as if "In Digital and Analog-DSP, All channels are upsampled to 24 bit/192kHz ,....".
Seems pretty straight forward to me. And I'm pretty sure ARC is a form of DSP.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it would seem that either the manual is wrong, or you and Bob or wrong, or there is something here I am not understanding.
Please enlighten me if I'm wrong.


FWIW, 96kHz is probably more than enough upsampling. When I download digital music I usually choose 96kHz, even if 192kHz is available. Partly because its cheaper, but mostly because I can't hear the difference. And I really don't want to start that conversation here. I would just like to know what I'm not understanding.


Tom
i agree Tom. The manual is pretty clear. I believe Anthem made a big deal out of the upgrade to the D2v as a selling point.

Stew
thestewman is offline  
post #43897 of 43902 Old Yesterday, 04:37 AM
AVS Addicted Member
 
stanger89's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Marion, IA
Posts: 18,067
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 517 Post(s)
Liked: 270
Quote:
Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post
You and Bob may be right, but the way the manual is worded makes it sound as if "In Digital and Analog-DSP, All channels are upsampled to 24 bit/192kHz ,....".
Seems pretty straight forward to me. And I'm pretty sure ARC is a form of DSP.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it would seem that either the manual is wrong, or you and Bob or wrong, or there is something here I am not understanding.
Please enlighten me if I'm wrong.
I assume it gets upsampled at the end, after ARC and all the other processing is done.

See what an anamorphoscopic lens can do, see movies the way they were meant to be seen
stanger89 is online now  
post #43898 of 43902 Old Yesterday, 09:48 PM
AVS Special Member
 
AVfile's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Ontario, CANADA
Posts: 2,119
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 97 Post(s)
Liked: 74
Anthem D2/D2v/AVM50/AVM50v/ARC1 tweaking guide

Quote:
Originally Posted by stanger89 View Post
I assume it gets upsampled at the end, after ARC and all the other processing is done.

Yep. The DAC chipset does the upsampling in the D2v so it really is done last and out of Anthem's hands.

Analog-DSP would go:
ADC (96k) -> DSP/ARC (96k) -> DAC (192k).

Don't forget the AVM-50v is the same but without the upsampling DACs:
ADC (96k) -> DSP/ARC (96k) -> DAC (96k).

If the input signal is 192k digital then the DACs run at 192k in BOTH models as upsampling is not involved.

- AVStefan
If you like someone's post, just use the Like button to give thanks.
AVfile is offline  
post #43899 of 43902 Old Yesterday, 09:52 PM
AVS Special Member
 
AVfile's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Ontario, CANADA
Posts: 2,119
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 97 Post(s)
Liked: 74
Anthem D2/D2v/AVM50/AVM50v/ARC1 tweaking guide

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrike645 View Post
I thought all ARC processing was 24/96 which goes along with what Bob said. While it accepts 24/192 in if ARC is on it's down sampled.

I thought that limitation was only for older models without two dual DSPs (AVM-50 ARC, D2) but I was wrong.

edit: if ARC is ON yes; if ARC is OFF no.

- AVStefan
If you like someone's post, just use the Like button to give thanks.

Last edited by AVfile; Today at 07:46 AM.
AVfile is offline  
post #43900 of 43902 Old Today, 06:37 AM
Advanced Member
 
tngiloy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Morrison, Colorado
Posts: 784
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 28 Post(s)
Liked: 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by AVfile View Post
Yep. The DAC chipset does the upsampling in the D2v so it really is done last and out of Anthem's hands.

Analog-DSP would go:
ADC (96k) -> DSP/ARC (96k) -> DAC (192k).

Don't forget the AVM-50v is the same but without the upsampling DACs:
ADC (96k) -> DSP/ARC (96k) -> DAC (96k).

If the input signal is 192k digital then the DACs run at 192k in BOTH models as upsampling is not involved.
Here is a section of an interview between Audioholics and Anthem's Nick that may help to add clarity to this discussion.
Here I a link to the whole interview http://www.audioholics.com/room-acou...m-eq-interview
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	arc.2.JPG
Views:	20
Size:	73.5 KB
ID:	694114  

"When all else fails, read the manual."
tngiloy is online now  
post #43901 of 43902 Old Today, 12:41 PM
Member
 
gerard1meehan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Long Island NY
Posts: 88
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post
Here is a section of an interview between Audioholics and Anthem's Nick that may help to add clarity to this discussion.
Here I a link to the whole interview http://www.audioholics.com/room-acou...m-eq-interview
Interesting article and it clears things up nicely. Thanks for the link!
gerard1meehan is offline  
post #43902 of 43902 Unread Today, 06:33 PM
AVS Special Member
 
dmusoke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
Posts: 2,572
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 124 Post(s)
Liked: 100
Quote:
Originally Posted by AVfile View Post
Yep. The DAC chipset does the upsampling in the D2v so it really is done last and out of Anthem's hands.

Analog-DSP would go:
ADC (96k) -> DSP/ARC (96k) -> DAC (192k).

Don't forget the AVM-50v is the same but without the upsampling DACs:
ADC (96k) -> DSP/ARC (96k) -> DAC (96k).

If the input signal is 192k digital then the DACs run at 192k in BOTH models as upsampling is not involved.

The last statement is true for the D2v's until you apply ARC where the 192k digital signal is down-sampled to 96k for ARC processing then up-sampled to 192k to the DACs for output. All ARC processing occurs at 96k for the AVM/D2v processors...

How to phase match subwoofers to the mains speakers: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post19542630
dmusoke is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Receivers, Amps, and Processors

Tags
Receivers Amplifiers

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off