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Old 04-29-2016, 08:53 AM
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6. Audio Output.....................
L C R Sub
LS RS
This says it's outputting to your sub, are you sure the sub is functional?

Hi, I am sure the sub is functional, because I can get the Anthem's test tone out of it. That's why I find strange I cannot get LFE out of it when watching movies and settings in Anthem and CA seems to be Ok.
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Thanks for your reply thestewman. I had a CD inside my player last time. Now I tested with a BD and got following info by pressing the Status Button:

2. Video Input.....................
1920 x 1080p / 24 CP

3. Surround Mode/Audio Type..
DTS-HD Master Audio
48 kHz NP


4. Audio Input Format............
L C R LFE
LS LR RR RS


6. Audio Output.....................
L C R Sub
LS RS


AVM 50v displays following info (Top line) from left to right:

BD1 DTS-MA 1080p

Bottom line has 7.1 -40 dB

I have connected the sub to Sub 1 and the setup is set to 1 sub.

My player's audio setup is set to send bitstream through HDMI and my player's display shows DTS-MA as the type of audio track playing.

Everything seems to be OK, but LFE is missing for some reason.
Your player ouput is 7.1 channels but your Anthem AVM 50v is setup for 5.1 channels.
Do you have a 7.1 system ?
No, I have a 5.1 system.
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No, I have a 5.1 system.
Well the Anthem indicates 7.1 input and as stanger89 stated the Anthem says the Anthem is outputting to the sub. There just is no signal.

4. Audio Input Format............
L C R LFE
LS LR RR RS

So your setup is possibly incorrect and might be the reason.
Check your 50v setup you should have in Speaker Setup the rears set to NONE and be using the Surrounds. You should also have the Bass Management setup also.
One other possibility to check. Your right and Left Front speakers should be set to SMALL not LARGE otherwise the LFE will be directed to them.

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Well the Anthem indicates 7.1 input and as stanger89 stated the Anthem says the Anthem is outputting to the sub. There just is no signal.

4. Audio Input Format............
L C R LFE
LS LR RR RS

So your setup is possibly incorrect and might be the reason.
Check your 50v setup you should have in Speaker Setup the rears set to NONE and be using the Surrounds. You should also have the Bass Management setup also.
One other possibility to check. Your right and Left Front speakers should be set to SMALL not LARGE otherwise the LFE will be directed to them.
My Speaker Setup is as follows at the moment:

Adv settings: on
Fronts: advanced
Center: advanced
Surrounds: advanced
Rears: none
Subs: 1 sub
Xover freq: advanced
Fronts Xover: 80 THX
Center Xover: 80 THX
Surrnd Xover: 80 THX
Rear Xover: NA
Sub/LFE Xover: 80 THX
Sub polarity: normal
Sub phase: 0 deg
Bypass LFE Xover: Yes

If I switch Advanced settings off, all speakers are set to small except rears that are set to none. In this case the Xover freq is 80 THX and other Xovers are -- Hz.
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My Speaker Setup is as follows at the moment:

Adv settings: on
Fronts: advanced
Center: advanced
Surrounds: advanced
Rears: none
Subs: 1 sub
Xover freq: advanced
Fronts Xover: 80 THX
Center Xover: 80 THX
Surrnd Xover: 80 THX
Rear Xover: NA
Sub/LFE Xover: 80 THX
Sub polarity: normal
Sub phase: 0 deg
Bypass LFE Xover: Yes

If I switch Advanced settings off, all speakers are set to small except rears that are set to none. In this case the Xover freq is 80 THX and other Xovers are -- Hz.
Some suggestions to try
Go into Anthem setup and select bass management.
There should be 2, Music and Movies
Set your all your speakers to SMALL
Set your Sub Xfer to 120 hz @ 80hz you are losing a lot of bass information.

Did you mean 80HZ not 80 THX ?
If you have THX on turn it off. No Anthem user has ever expressed good results with THX .
Have you used an Audio Sound Meter to set up the levels of each speaker ?
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Some suggestions to try
Go into Anthem setup and select bass management.
There should be 2, Music and Movies
Set your all your speakers to SMALL
Set your Sub Xfer to 120 hz @ 80hz you are losing a lot of bass information.

Did you mean 80HZ not 80 THX ?
If you have THX on turn it off. No Anthem user has ever expressed good results with THX .
Have you used an Audio Sound Meter to set up the levels of each speaker ?
Now we are making some progress. After I set my Sub Xfer to 120 hz I get LFE channel but it is weak. When I add +10 dB to subwoofer it is somewhat reasonable. However, as it is getting late here in Finland and I do not want to scare my neighbour with sudden noises while testing I will continue tomorrow.

I really meant 80 THX as the changes went from 75 hz -> 80 THX -> 85 hz and THX is turned off.

I haven't used an Audio Sound Meter to set up the levels.
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Now we are making some progress. After I set my Sub Xfer to 120 hz I get LFE channel but it is weak. When I add +10 dB to subwoofer it is somewhat reasonable. However, as it is getting late here in Finland and I do not want to scare my neighbour with sudden noises while testing I will continue tomorrow.

I really meant 80 THX as the changes went from 75 hz -> 80 THX -> 85 hz and THX is turned off.

I haven't used an Audio Sound Meter to set up the levels.
Good to hear we are making some advances.
I never have heard of this "I really meant 80 THX as the changes went from 75 hz -> 80 THX -> 85 hz and THX is turned off." Strange.

Did you go into the advanced tab and change every speaker to small ?

Anthem diverts the sub signal to any speaker set to Large so that reduces the signal going to the sub.
When listening for output from the sub it should be a Blu Ray or movie as most audio disks have little or no LFE.

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After I set my Sub Xfer to 120 hz I get LFE channel but it is weak. When I add +10 dB to subwoofer it is somewhat reasonable.
We never discussed this and I do not know how you are setting the +10db but you should be raising the sub level at the sub not from the Anthem .

Most Important you have to do the speaker level output setup or we will never get the desired results. Hopefully you will have accurately measured and set up the speaker distances prior to the level setup.
You absolutely have to get a sound level meter with a C range and slow response.
Just follow the Anthem manual using the left front speaker as the baseline.
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Good to hear we are making some advances.
I never have heard of this "I really meant 80 THX as the changes went from 75 hz -> 80 THX -> 85 hz and THX is turned off." Strange.

Did you go into the advanced tab and change every speaker to small ?

Anthem diverts the sub signal to any speaker set to Large so that reduces the signal going to the sub.
When listening for output from the sub it should be a Blu Ray or movie as most audio disks have little or no LFE.



We never discussed this and I do not know how you are setting the +10db but you should be raising the sub level at the sub not from the Anthem .

Most Important you have to do the speaker level output setup or we will never get the desired results. Hopefully you will have accurately measured and set up the speaker distances prior to the level setup.
You absolutely have to get a sound level meter with a C range and slow response.
Just follow the Anthem manual using the left front speaker as the baseline.
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As it was getting late last evening and I was tired, I did not remember to make changes to my player where the Xfer was set incorrectly after changing settings in Anthem. After correcting that mistake the LFE can be now heard normally.

I have attached pics from my current settings (first two pics) + a pic from xover freq setting with 80 THX showing even if the THX is not on.

I guess next step for me is to get a sound level meter and make some measurements and play with ARC-kit.
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As it was getting late last evening and I was tired, I did not remember to make changes to my player where the Xfer was set incorrectly after changing settings in Anthem. After correcting that mistake the LFE can be now heard normally.

I have attached pics from my current settings (first two pics) + a pic from xover freq setting with 80 THX showing even if the THX is not on.

I guess next step for me is to get a sound level meter and make some measurements and play with ARC-kit.
Glad it works now.
Yes, a sound level meter will do wonders for your setup. Without it you are blindfolded trying to get the correct levels.
My one concern is why the screen pic of the front panel shows 7.1 channel input ?
Maybe an incorrect setting of your player output as you say you have a 5.1 system and no rear speakers.
When you get ARC setup and installed you be in audio nirvana.
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Glad it works now.
Yes, a sound level meter will do wonders for your setup. Without it you are blindfolded trying to get the correct levels.
My one concern is why the screen pic of the front panel shows 7.1 channel input ?
Maybe an incorrect setting of your player output as you say you have a 5.1 system and no rear speakers.
When you get ARC setup and installed you be in audio nirvana.
Thanks for the help I received from you. I haven't had a chance to make any calibrations yet, but I will make those after I get a sound level meter to my hands.

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My one concern is why the screen pic of the front panel shows 7.1 channel input ?
Maybe an incorrect setting of your player output as you say you have a 5.1 system and no rear speakers.
The movie I originally tested with had a 7.1 audio track when I took the pic but when I played a movie with a 5.1 audio track the display showed 5.1. However, I still checked once more the player's settings and there is no option to change player output when using HDMI. Maybe I should borrow two more Genelec speakers from a friend to see what happens.
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ARC Calibration

Long time viewer of this thread. Excellent info over the years!

I just replaced my front three speakers and decided to re-run ARC. Take a look and let me know if all looks well.

Did the following prior to running ARC.

1. Save user settings.
2. Reset to Factory Default
3. Load user settings.
4. Set all speakers to zero and balanced to 75db with spl meter
5. ARC based on five microphone position

Anthem 50v firmware v3.09j
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Long time viewer of this thread. Excellent info over the years!

I just replaced my front three speakers and decided to re-run ARC. Take a look and let me know if all looks well.

Did the following prior to running ARC.

1. Save user settings.
2. Reset to Factory Default
3. Load user settings.
4. Set all speakers to zero and balanced to 75db with spl meter
5. ARC based on five microphone position

Anthem 50v firmware v3.09j
Looks good except for the sub
Did you turn off the sub internal crossover by setting the xfer to bypass or its highest position ?
What other sub settings did you set or add ?
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Looks good except for the sub
Did you turn off the sub internal crossover by setting the xfer to bypass or its highest position ?
What other sub settings did you set or add ?
I have attached a pic of the sub settings... it might be a bit dark, so the settings are as follows:

variable low pass filter = just below 95
variable phase alignment = 0
variable high pass filter = just above 95
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I hope those filters are not applied to the LFE input. If you are not sure they should be defeated (low pass max, high pass min).

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I have attached a pic of the sub settings... it might be a bit dark, so the settings are as follows:

variable low pass filter = just below 95
variable phase alignment = 0
variable high pass filter = just above 95
I suggest you set the sub low pass filter to 180 or all the way right and the high pass filter to all the way left (max) or 40.
Then I would redo ARC.

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Hi guys been awhile since my last post, being running a 5.1 setup for awhile now and decided on going back to a 7.1 setup. Decided to introduce some Tripole's (New purchase Klipsch Rs62 Ii) and use them as the surrounds and the JTR Direct speakers (Slanted 8's) for back channels. My mains are JTR Triple 8's and running a single Seaton Submersive with the HP amp upgrade. Ran ARC and here are the results. Tested some BD's and the sound is excellent . Really happy with it and I have increased the gain to 2.5 and changed the sub to Flat under advanced setting and like what I'm hearing. The graphs are before adding more gain.
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I suggest you set the sub low pass filter to 40 or all the way left and the high pass filter to all the way right (max) or 180.
Then I would redo ARC.
Shouldn't it be the other way around? Lowpass filter (passes frequencies below) should be set as high as possible, and Highpass filter (passes frequencies above) should be set as low as possible.
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Shouldn't it be the other way around? Lowpass filter (passes frequencies below) should be set as high as possible, and Highpass filter (passes frequencies above) should be set as low as possible.
I was incorrect. Thanks for catching it. I edited my quote above to reflect the changes.
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Long time viewer of this thread. Excellent info over the years!

I just replaced my front three speakers and decided to re-run ARC. Take a look and let me know if all looks well.

Did the following prior to running ARC.

1. Save user settings.
2. Reset to Factory Default
3. Load user settings.
4. Set all speakers to zero and balanced to 75db with spl meter
5. ARC based on five microphone position

Anthem 50v firmware v3.09j
MrGrinch I think I found the problem with your ARC sub performance

It was noted I made a error in my posting about setting the high and low pass filters.
My concern how I did this centered around the fact his sub had both a high and low pass control. Unusual for a sub. I checked further and found the manufacturer Definitive Technology has implemented a different kind of connection setup which centers round passing the signal through the sub and controlling your main speakers.

The following are the technical specifications for his sub:

Low-Level High-Pass Filter 12 dB/octave continuously variable(40 – 150 Hz)
Speaker Level High-Pass Filter 6 dB/octave (80 Hz)
Low-Level Low-Pass Filter 24 dB/octave continuously variable (40 – 150 Hz) plus unfiltered LFE direct coupled input

Manufacturers notes:

Low Pass Filter
Your subwoofer’s back panel features a continuously variable low pass filter.
This filter is continuously variable between 40 and 150 Hz. It rolls off the high frequency response of your subwoofer.
This low pass filter control is used to obtain the optimum transition between the subwoofer and your main speakers. We receive many questions from subwoofer owners asking us where to set the filter controls in a variety of different setups. Although many people think that there is a specific frequency at which to set the controls in their system, this can only be determined by you. Experimentation is recommended (due to system placement and subjectivevariables) to obtain the best sound for you.

High Pass Filter
Your subwoofer is equipped with a continuously variable high pass filter which is
used when you wire the low-level inputs of your subwoofer to a full-range signal
and the low-level outputs of your subwoofer to the left and right channel inputs of your amplifier. [See Diagram 3.] When hooked up thusly, it allows you to vary the low-frequency roll-off of your main speakers. This control only works using the low-level inputs and outputs.

What I found is in your photo of your existing connections you have the Anthem sub output connected directly to the LFE input.

I suggest you obtain a female input/double male output Y cable connector and connect the Anthem Sub 1 output to the subs low level inputs. Then set the low level control to its highest setting 140hz. The high pass control will not be activated or used

Now rerun ARC and post your charts.
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Your subwoofer is equipped with a continuously variable high pass filter which is
used when you wire the low-level inputs of your subwoofer to a full-range signal
and the low-level outputs of your subwoofer to the left and right channel inputs of your amplifier. [See Diagram 3.] When hooked up thusly, it allows you to vary the low-frequency roll-off of your main speakers. This control only works using the low-level inputs and outputs.
Is that a typo? That says (according to the figure) that the High Pass filter only works on the RCA inputs. I suspect (hope?) they meant to say "high-level inputs", ie the speaker inputs.
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Is that a typo? That says (according to the figure) that the High Pass filter only works on the RCA inputs. I suspect (hope?) they meant to say "high-level inputs", ie the speaker inputs.
That is what Def Tech says

https://www.definitivetech.com/downl...12909_read.pdf

They seem to have a different method of connecting their sub.
Check Diag #3
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From that, it sounds like the LFE input is the one you'd want to use with an Anthem:

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You can feed the mono or LFE subwoofer output of your receiver or decoder to the LFE input on the subwoofer and achieve full performance. [ See Diagram 1. ] Usually, these outputs have their own low-pass filter built into the circuit, and if this is the case, you would normally input them into the LFE input. The LFE inputs on your SuperCube subwoofer are direct coupled inputs which arenot affected by the subwoofer’s low-pass filter or low-pass crossover control.
I would assume the High-pass filter would be bypassed as well, it reads like it only applies to the high level outputs.
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From that, it sounds like the LFE input is the one you'd want to use with an Anthem:



I would assume the High-pass filter would be bypassed as well, it reads like it only applies to the high level outputs.
Good point.
Since they are direct coupled and bypass the low pass filter the LFE input will work.
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thestewman and stranger89.....among others, just wanted to say it's very nice of you to take the time to help people the way you do.

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MrGrinch I think I found the problem with your ARC sub performance

It was noted I made a error in my posting about setting the high and low pass filters.
My concern how I did this centered around the fact his sub had both a high and low pass control. Unusual for a sub. I checked further and found the manufacturer Definitive Technology has implemented a different kind of connection setup which centers round passing the signal through the sub and controlling your main speakers.

The following are the technical specifications for his sub:

Low-Level High-Pass Filter 12 dB/octave continuously variable(40 – 150 Hz)
Speaker Level High-Pass Filter 6 dB/octave (80 Hz)
Low-Level Low-Pass Filter 24 dB/octave continuously variable (40 – 150 Hz) plus unfiltered LFE direct coupled input

Manufacturers notes:

Low Pass Filter
Your subwoofer’s back panel features a continuously variable low pass filter.
This filter is continuously variable between 40 and 150 Hz. It rolls off the high frequency response of your subwoofer.
This low pass filter control is used to obtain the optimum transition between the subwoofer and your main speakers. We receive many questions from subwoofer owners asking us where to set the filter controls in a variety of different setups. Although many people think that there is a specific frequency at which to set the controls in their system, this can only be determined by you. Experimentation is recommended (due to system placement and subjectivevariables) to obtain the best sound for you.

High Pass Filter
Your subwoofer is equipped with a continuously variable high pass filter which is
used when you wire the low-level inputs of your subwoofer to a full-range signal
and the low-level outputs of your subwoofer to the left and right channel inputs of your amplifier. [See Diagram 3.] When hooked up thusly, it allows you to vary the low-frequency roll-off of your main speakers. This control only works using the low-level inputs and outputs.

What I found is in your photo of your existing connections you have the Anthem sub output connected directly to the LFE input.

I suggest you obtain a female input/double male output Y cable connector and connect the Anthem Sub 1 output to the subs low level inputs. Then set the low level control to its highest setting 140hz. The high pass control will not be activated or used

Now rerun ARC and post your charts.
I agree with the incredible response on this post!

I did happen to run ARC again prior to reading the y cable suggestion.

Low Pass Crossover = 40
Phase Alignment = 0
High Pass Crossover = 150

Attached the results.... let me know if it still makes sense to try the y cable suggestion.
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I suggest you set the sub low pass filter to 180 or all the way right and the high pass filter to all the way left (max) or 40.
Then I would redo ARC.
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I agree with the incredible response on this post!

I did happen to run ARC again prior to reading the y cable suggestion.

Low Pass Crossover = 40
Phase Alignment = 0
High Pass Crossover = 150

Attached the results.... let me know if it still makes sense to try the y cable suggestion.
I know its complicated. If you still have the Anthem Sub 1 output connected to your subs LFE input the low pass and high pass sub settings are bypassed so it does not matter where they are positioned and you can disregard the y cable.

The sub graph shows the sub output is still pretty narrow.

Post your targets so we can make some additional changes.
You will not have to rerun ARC.
Compare the attached graph. I know we cannot duplicate it but anything near it is what would be ideal.
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ARC and/or PBK

Hi
Looking to get a new sub, to replace my 13 year old Velodyne DD15. I favoring the Paradigm Prestige 2000SW. Should I just use ARC on my D2v 3D or use the PBK? Or both?
Also how does the 2000SW go with my processor? I have heard nothing but good things about it!

Thanks for any responses!

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Hi
Looking to get a new sub, to replace my 13 year old Velodyne DD15. I favoring the Paradigm Prestige 2000SW. Should I just use ARC on my D2v 3D or use the PBK? Or both?
Also how does the 2000SW go with my processor? I have heard nothing but good things about it!

Thanks for any responses!

Rob
As far as I know run PBK and then ARC

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I know its complicated. If you still have the Anthem Sub 1 output connected to your subs LFE input the low pass and high pass sub settings are bypassed so it does not matter where they are positioned and you can disregard the y cable.

The sub graph shows the sub output is still pretty narrow.

Post your targets so we can make some additional changes.
You will not have to rerun ARC.
Compare the attached graph. I know we cannot duplicate it but anything near it is what would be ideal.
Here are the targets...
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Attached the results.... let me know if it still makes sense to try the y cable suggestion.

Your results are fine. Since we went digital 15+ years ago all you need is the LFE input. The other inputs, outputs and associated filters are for analog stereo systems.

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