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Partially resolved in later updates.



Understood. You just mill not be able to play bitstream only High Def formats. Regular DTS or Dolby via optical bitstream or PCM (limited to 5.1 streams) over HDMI will get you most of the goodness. Not players have updates now too, which is why it's worth swinging into the Blu-ray & HD DVD Player forums.

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Depending on the player you will be able to get True HD if the player decodes it internally. Later Profile players (meaning future players) will be needed to decode Master Audio. Right now, for example, the Pio 95HD only does Master Audio by Hi Def bitstream as it can't decoded and sent PCM.

Anthem can do most everything with HDMI, but some newer 1.3 capabilities it can't. It also can't do 7.1 PCM but there is very limited content that supports 7.1. It can't be upgraded to 1.3 nor 7.1 without a major hardware model/revision.

On the potential compatibility problems, the 1.3 compliant players did give the Anthem fits early on. The firmware updates have increased stability, but not cured it. It really has multiple variables including displays, and many permutations of possible answers, Player, Player Firmware, Anthem Firmware, Display, etc. This is why I mentioned looking at the player threads and for folks with Anthems that post.

If I had to buy today I would by a Pio 95HD (though I understand Spiderman and Anthem and the 95 have player issues). It should be "plug & play". I can dream. And I would buy a Toshiba A35, although I don't know the compatibility issues with the A35 itself, it does put out bitstream over HDMI even though the Anthem can't use it. If I bought in Jan I would buy a Samsung 5000 dual format and roll the dice.

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So, to summarize, the key is to find a player that will decode both DTS HD master audio and Dolby True HD internally and output these signals as PCM?

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bluemark81...that is correct from what I understand. I am currently trying to find one!
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So, to summarize, the key is to find a player that will decode both DTS HD master audio and Dolby True HD internally and output these signals as PCM?

These will need to be next generation players.

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These will need to be next generation players.

Right now I am having difficulty finding one. Really hope a player comes out to match up perferctly with the needs of our D2 otherwise Anthem may have to do an pgrade to HDMI 1.3 to allow these audio formats to be sent via bitstream. Many new players are coming out with this and its a big advantage right because of the limitations in player choices.
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Right now I am having difficulty finding one. Really hope a player comes out to match up perferctly with the needs of our D2 otherwise Anthem may have to do an pgrade to HDMI 1.3 to allow these audio formats to be sent via bitstream. Many new players are coming out with this and its a big advantage right because of the limitations in player choices.

There will need to be a new model, e.g., AVM-70, D3, as there are no plance to upgrade other than the usual (good) flow of upgrades which follow introduction of new models. My guess is 1+ years based on info from this thread.

Here's some more banter on the newer players and the religious wars of in player vs in receiver high def bitstream decoding.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post12177777

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These will need to be next generation players.

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There will need to be a new model, e.g., AVM-70, D3, as there are no plance to upgrade other than the usual (good) flow of upgrades which follow introduction of new models. My guess is 1+ years based on info from this thread.

Here's some more banter on the newer players and the religious wars of in player vs in receiver high def bitstream decoding.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post12177777


Thanks...are you saying that the rumour is not for another year before a new model?

Is it basically a given that D2 owners will have the chance to upgrade to the next model?

I hope so, as if this is the case then my D2 thats on its way will also go get some "surgury" when the time comes. I was weary of buying the D2 considering it has been out for a while and a new model would be in the works but if its 12 months then I will get some go usage out of it before I need it upgraded! Besides I just couldn't wait that long to get a new processor!
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Right now I am having difficulty finding one. Really hope a player comes out to match up perferctly with the needs of our D2 otherwise Anthem may have to do an pgrade to HDMI 1.3 to allow these audio formats to be sent via bitstream. Many new players are coming out with this and its a big advantage right because of the limitations in player choices.

The upcoming DENON DVD-3800BD maybe the answer. Its pricey at $1999, at least that was the price when it was announced.
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The upcoming DENON DVD-3800BD maybe the answer. Its pricey at $1999, at least that was the price when it was announced.


I feel its a bit pricey considering the format war isn't over. If it played both formats then I would gladly pay the price but until then I don't want to spend that much $$ on 2 dufferent format players
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The chip sets that will enable DTS-HD MA decoding in reasonably priced players exist now.

It's too late to launch new product for Christmas selling season, so you likely won't see announcements on such players until closer to year end (for 2008Q1 sales).

TrueHD decoding is, of course, already here in reasonably priced players.

All this angst over DTS-HD MA decoding in players will likely go away in a few months -- only to be replaced with worries over the players' interactive and networking features.
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My Plasma panasonic 50thpf9uk accepts 1080p/24 via analog RGB. I want to buy a HD DVD or BR DVD in the future. So here is my connections: Directv H20 via HDMI to Anthem AVM50 (Output 1920x1080p/24) to HDFURY into plasma via analog RGB. Picture looks good. But Video does not seem smooth. Very noticeable when watching HD football. Here is my settings for video output on Anthem:
a. S-video oSD NTSC
b. Preferred HDMI
c. Resolution 1920 x 1080p/24
d. Color Space Auto
e. Data Format Auto
f. letterbox Black
g. Sync Normal
h. Component 2 off

Also this plasma has 1:1 pixel . Should I leave it off on on?

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My Plasma panasonic 50thpf9uk accepts 1080p/24 via analog RGB. I want to buy a HD DVD or BR DVD in the future. So here is my connections: Directv H20 via HDMI to Anthem AVM50 (Output 1920x1080p/24) to HDFURY into plasma via analog RGB. Picture looks good. But Video does not seem smooth. Very noticeable when watching HD football. Here is my settings for video output on Anthem:
a. S-video oSD NTSC
b. Preferred HDMI
c. Resolution 1920 x 1080p/24
d. Color Space Auto
e. Data Format Auto
f. letterbox Black
g. Sync Normal
h. Component 2 off

Also this plasma has 1:1 pixel . Should I leave it off on on?

Thank you

First, in general, you want the native resolution and scan rate of the panel. You do want 1:1 pixel mapping. Even though a panel can "do" 24, it may not be the native rate and cause an extra conversion.

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I'm thinking of moving into the world of Blueray or HD DVD. Where I have an AVM-50, I have some questions:

1. What manufacturer/model would you guys recommend?
2. Is there any issue with the AVM using HDMI 1.1 vs the 1.2 or 1.3 of the new formats?
3. Will the AVM be able to handle the new audio formats such as DTS HD and True Dolby?
4. Any other suggestions/recommendations would be appreciated.

1. I own and HD-A2 and an BD-P1200. I send 1080i out of my A2 and let my D2 do the up conversion to 1080p. It looks awesome. I have my D2 passthrough the 1080p signal from my BD-P1200.
2. I don't know. I have rare handshake issues with both player but it is nothing cycling the inputs doesn't fix. I am running 1.11e
3. You will need a player which decodes the next gen audio (DTS-MA, DTS-HD, TrueHD) and passes it as PCM which you AVM-50 will handle. Not many players do DTS-MA or DTS-HD so good hunting.
4. I would recommend the Toshiba HD-A3 on the HD-DVD side and the Samsung BD-P1400 on the Blu-ray side. Both support decoding of TrueHD at the player neither support DTS-MA or DTS-HD.

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First, in general, you want the native resolution and scan rate of the panel. You do want 1:1 pixel mapping. Even though a panel can "do" 24, it may not be the native rate and cause an extra conversion.

I got my answer from GlenC

"Sure, 24fps is film only, video is 60fps........"
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I have already seen this post. I have the following components:

Panasonic TH50pf9uk
Directv H20
Oppo 970

Anymore hints how to calibrate this plasma with Anthem AVM50?
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I have already seen this post. I have the following components:

Panasonic TH50pf9uk
Directv H20
Oppo 970

Anymore hints how to calibrate this plasma with Anthem AVM50?

See the "Video Calibration for non-ISF Techs" post found in the collection of links in the first post of this thread.
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I got my answer from GlenC

"Sure, 24fps is film only, video is 60fps........"

A panel does not have 2 native rates. The listed rates (both aren't fps) are what the panel can process, but note you would need two output settings to properly use it if there were. I would GUESS the native rate of the panel from the specs is 1080p60. The point of having the Anthem 50 or D2 is to let the ASnthem do the video processing as it will be better than the panel (typically).

Have you tried 1080p60 to see the judder go away?

Nice panel for the $s.

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A panel does not have 2 native rates. The listed rates (both aren't fps) are what the panel can process, but note you would need two output settings to properly use it if there were. I would GUESS the native rate of the panel from the specs is 1080p60. The point of having the Anthem 50 or D2 is to let the ASnthem do the video processing as it will be better than the panel (typically).

Have you tried 1080p60 to see the judder go away?

Nice panel for the $s.

Tim the native resolution of cosmos5861's Panel is NOT
a Native TV resolution. This panel is meant for COMPUTER
use - not TV display.

The AVM50 would have to be programmed for some unusual
output format and he may never get rid of the Judder.
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I have a D2 and I am having a problem with 2nd or zone2 YPbPr output. I have an Directv HDTivo, Directv H20, SA 8300 HD Dvr (all connected via component video and output at 720 p). I have video output for HDMI preferred, Color Space HDTV, Output resoluion 720p60, Data-RGB extended which works great for my 720p projector, but even when I set the zone2 output to unprocessed, I still have a color space problems. If I change the settings for the main zone it impacts the color space of the unprocessed video on the second component out. This does not make sense to me.

I am using 1.11 of the firmware.

What is the latest and greatest firmware for the D2?

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Got some info trom Tosh indicating that a firmware update would be coming out in the next week or so, supporting DTS-MA through bitstream on the XA2
and A35. No mention of HDMI versions being the issue, but no pcm of the DTS-MA except the core 1.5mb/s. So at least for D2 and AVM50 owners, there appears to be no way for us to get the lossless version. As for the future they said it was unlikely it would ever be decoded in the player by a firmware update

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I got my answer from GlenC

"Sure, 24fps is film only, video is 60fps........"

Actually, video is 30fps. And I believe only Pioneer has plasmas that can refresh at 72hz.

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Tim the native resolution of cosmos5861's Panel is NOT
a Native TV resolution. This panel is meant for COMPUTER
use - not TV display.

The AVM50 would have to be programmed for some unusual
output format and he may never get rid of the Judder.

Excellent point. I have never seen a 24fps computer display, but if it is truly a multi-syncing computer display I stand (at least partially corrected). Whatever the best actual resolution of the panel plus whatever best Anthem res/refresh should be the target pairing between the two. I would guess that it's not 24fps in any event.

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Got some info trom Tosh indicating that a firmware update would be coming out in the next week or so, supporting DTS-MA through bitstream on the XA2
and A35. No mention of HDMI versions being the issue, but no pcm of the DTS-MA except the core 1.5mb/s. So at least for D2 and AVM50 owners, there appears to be no way for us to get the lossless version. As for the future they said it was unlikely it would ever be decoded in the player by a firmware update

John

John, that's Excellent news. Can you post the info in the XA-2 thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...768634&page=83

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Excellent point. I have never seen a 24fps computer display, but if it is truly a multi-syncing computer display I stand (at least partially corrected). Whatever the best actual resolution of the panel plus whatever best Anthem res/refresh should be the target pairing between the two. I would guess that it's not 24fps in any event.

It is not even the 24fps issue. Because it really does
48fps not 24fps.

When I downloaded the manual to read about the real
specifications versus what a retailer wants you to THINK
it can do - you find the real truth. I'm not even sure the
DVI interface supports HDCP. The Panel's native resolution
is also formatted for Computer graphics 1920x1200.

The price is intended for computer graphics - NOT HD-Def Video.
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Anyone talk to the company recently about plans for internal decoding for advanced audio (bitstream through HDMI 1.3) and a hardware upgrade to v1.3???

I know they were in no rush with v1.3 but I now realize that the time has come to consider it as many AVR are now introducing it & in my desperate search for a player that does it internally and sends it via PCM has left me empty handed! So imo D2 & AVM 50 users will slowly be left behind if thye are not considering it soon.

Mind you I haven't taken the leap yet in HD players and hence want one that can do it all and last a while until something new comes along.

what do others using the D2 and an HD player think of this?

Should I just get a samsung BD-P 1400 and be happy with the audio we can get from it via HDMI until Anthem hooks us up with new hardware?

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I am running 1.12s - it came installed when I bought the unit. Does it make sense to upgrade to 1.21d? Normally I always stay current, but based on some of the discussion I am confused???
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I don;t know anyone else but using the PS3 for bluray has bween the best thing for me.
and DTS-MA will soon be avalible as a software upgread around x-mas time or early jan-08.
I always get 48k [i think thats it] 6-channel output from the PS3 nothing I have heard sounds as good.
this is going to the avm-50 and using paridgim 590-c studio 20s L-R and adp590 for surrounds.
if your looking for a bluray player with dts-ma [soon] and pcm true-hd with gaming to boot this is it. In my opinion that is.
i've been happy with it and just think right now 400 bucks plus spiderman3 and 5 free other bluray titles.. can't go wrong.\\
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Should I just get a samsung BD-P 1400 and be happy with the audio we can get from it via HDMI until Anthem hooks us up with new hardware?

Thanks

I think you should do some research on that
unit here on AVS.
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I am running 1.12s - it came installed when I bought the unit. Does it make sense to upgrade to 1.21d? Normally I always stay current, but based on some of the discussion I am confused???

V1.12s (emailed from tech support) is supposedly the same as V1.2 (installed in the factory -- think of it as V1.20).

V1.21a, b, c, and d are each newer than that.

We've had both positive and negative reports in this thread on these V1.21x "test" releases. Unless you are having a problem, I'd suggest sticking with the software you have now. If you are having a problem, give Anthem tech support a call and see what they suggest for your specific equipment configuration. At least some of these "newer" versions were not recommended for some configurations -- in particular people sending Component video to their display.
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Anyone talk to the company recently about plans for internal decoding for advanced audio (bitstream through HDMI 1.3) and a hardware upgrade to v1.3???

I know they were in no rush with v1.3 but I now realize that the time has come to consider it as many AVR are now introducing it & in my desperate search for a player that does it internally and sends it via PCM has left me empty handed! So imo D2 & AVM 50 users will slowly be left behind if thye are not considering it soon.

Mind you I haven't taken the leap yet in HD players and hence want one that can do it all and last a while until something new comes along.

what do others using the D2 and an HD player think of this?

Should I just get a samsung BD-P 1400 and be happy with the audio we can get from it via HDMI until Anthem hooks us up with new hardware?

Thanks

This player's strong suit is putting out all the codecs via bitstream to a receiver, something the D2 can't handle and won't handle until a major upgrade, multiple months after an unannounced new model (probably at significant cost (but better than almost every other manufacturer in having an upgrade path). Maybe even the format war will be over by then. There are other issues why I too would recommend again going to the specific thread in the Blu-ray hardware forum.

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