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I am looking to upgrade my electronics for my hometheater set-up and I am going to start with my amp. I am lloking at an Anthem P5 or the Earthquake Cinenova grande for my 5.1 set-up.

I am FYI, These amps will be run off a receiver for now until I get a designated pre/pro down the line and be used with OSB Image 6T, 9C, 10 speakers.

(also considering Halo A51)
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I have the Earthquake with tons of power and sounds incredible.

http://www.earthquakesound.com/cinenova%20grande.htm

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what are your using it to power?
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is there really a diferrence between the two?
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Actually, it looks like they are pretty close to each other. Other than the Anthem having two power cords and also the slightly higher 25 more rated wpc at 8ohms, but at 4ohms it's rated for 500wpc where the Earthquake is rated for a higher 600wpc at 4ohms and also weighs 11lbs more. It would have been nice however, if they would have run the same lab and power tests on both amps.


http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...r-12-2004.html


http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...r-10-2004.html
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what about that Halo A51?
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what are your using it to power?

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If I had to guess, I'd bet the anthem would be a bit more refined.. Though given the car audio name and all, I'm reading good things about these big earthquake amps. Keeping in mind, it's difficult to make huge watts like that without sacrificing something in terms of sound quality.

Resale value I'd put money on the Anthem also.

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i like the anthem due to having a toroidal for each channel
i would think this should make some difference also 125 s/n.
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If I had to guess, I'd bet the anthem would be a bit more refined.. Though given the car audio name and all, I'm reading good things about these big earthquake amps. Keeping in mind, it's difficult to make huge watts like that without sacrificing something in terms of sound quality.

Resale value I'd put money on the Anthem also.

Having owned the Earthquake (3ch version) and heard the Anthem, I would agree with your assessment. The Cinenova will drive almost any load, it's just not the last word in refinement and inner detail. Also be aware that they are sold for half MSRP or less online...

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So i should look more to the Anthem P5 and Parasound Halo A51?
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I would say for gobs of power AND excellent sound quality, you've got two fine choices there before you start getting into diminishing returns, with some companies such as Krell or Levinson, BAT, etc.

May I also suggest (to add to your confusion hehe sorry) That you add Bryston to the list. I would give my two front teeth for a 9bsst to drive my paradigms when the room gets built. And the finest warranty in the business (if it is still) ... 20 years! transferrable, I think.

Oh, and Classe' as well. You're right among them with these two you've narrowed down to.

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Ok, I can get the ANTHEM P5, Halo A51, Theta Dreadnaught II for roughly the same amount (the Theta is slightly more expensive.) Whis is best for home theater?
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In this league of amps, you're splitting hairs.. Were it me, I'd be considering the speakers and listen to the amps to match up.

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I am not sure I understand what you mean here....
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With the choices you have narrowed down.. They're all going to be quite good. At that point, it becomes fine tuning to your actual needs. Your speakers and room setup and other components will come into play with that. One amp may come across as "warm", and the other maybe a little more "lean" or "bright". You'll need to listen to them to come to that conclusion.. So if you consider your speakers a bit more "warm" than neutral, you wouldn't want to match up a "warmer" amp with them. etc.

Were it me, of the choices you have, I'd be happy with any of them, unheard, based on other reviews of them. The Theta is supposed to be a beast! as well. If you're bumping into that league, consider also Balanced Audio Technology (BAT). The VK 6200 also appears to be a giant killer. I have a friend who picked up an integra research amp, for one reason because BAT was involved with the design. Claims it "lifts a veil" compared to his B&K 7270 II which is not a bad amp at all.

To answer your question though, narrowing it down, I'd listen to them. They should ALL be pretty much "straight wire with gain" meaning they should get out of the way and simply amplify, without adding color.. Especially in this league.

If I were to rank your choices, it would be:

Dreadnaught
P5 / A51 (both tied a close 2nd)
Cinenova

Also, one thing to keep in mind.. If you're considering a pre-pro later to match up, the Anthem Statement unit is getting some good press. Though I wouldn't have any issues looking at an all Theta rig in my rack, at all!

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personaly I really want the P5 and a P2 for the mains,
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Statement P2 and P5 amplifiers are stable into any impedance down to a short circuit at full output.

and have a very low noise floor s/n125db

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I have had Linn, Arcam, Sunfire, Parasound, and Earthquake in and out of my system during the last couple of years, driving Energy 2.4i's. I have not had the Anthem P5. For myself with my speakers in my room, the Earthquake has been the best amp of them all. It is also very nice for the consumer that they are not very popular and can be bought for about half the price of the Anthems and Parasounds.
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Used or new?
I don't even know the prices of these things.. other than they "ain't cheap by no means".

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"Used or new?"

Either really. If you shop around you will find tremendous deals on Earthquakes through certified dealers. You can also find great deals on Audiogon from time to time. Anthem and Parasound will cost you significantly more whether you buy them new or used.
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Used or new?
I don't even know the prices of these things.. other than they "ain't cheap by no means".

I bought my Earthquake Grande 3 for $750 used. Love it to death.

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I've had both and the Cinenova is more refined and offers better detail than the Anthem BUT:


Be careful of the Earthquake. I had one catch fire on me and others have reported the same thing. Customer service was awful and it cost me $200 to get the channel repaired.












This was the cap that caught fire.
That being said this is one of the finest sounding amps you can get but I am not the only one to report this issue and dealing with Earthquake was beyond atrocious. If it works, great, but you will never want to deal with this company. PM if you need more details as I have everything documented and things still moving forward.
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Knock on wood. Mine is around 5 years old without the balanced inputs. So far so good.

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Which is my reason for liking the bryston stuff. Built like tanks with a 20 year warranty. On top of the fact they sound pretty darn good.

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Which is my reason for liking the bryston stuff. Built like tanks with a 20 year warranty. On top of the fact they sound pretty darn good.

The Cinenova sounded markedly better than my 9BSST.
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Well, to UPDATE...

I have been looking all over the place and I found a PASS LABS X5 for sale locally, but I am not sure if I should consider it? Would it be better for Home Theater than the Halo A51?
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The Parasound HALO A51 is one of the best amps for HT you can buy for the money and beyond.

All the mags really love tihs amp and its big brother the JC1 monoblock.

I have owned this amp an it's multichannel and 2 channel performace was outstanding.

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The Cinenova sounded markedly better than my 9BSST.

Really.. How so? I'm genuinely interested as I've not heard the Earthquake amps. Given 300 watts per channel, I'm sure they're not short on power. Even the humble Adcom 7805 got a pretty darn good review.. Guess like with cars, "there's no replacement for displacement" with 'some' speaker setups. And I'm surprised I've not heard anyone chime in for ATI amps. They make some behemouth multichannels as well.

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If the pockets are sufficiently deep, I would rather have the Plinius Odeon or Simaudio Moon Titan over any of the other HT amps mentioned thus far.


Plinius Odeon


Simaudio Moon Titan

If you want a *deal* on a HT amp that some here [There was a blind amp test done by a group from MN -- search our archives.] picked over the the Theta Dreadnaught and very nearly kept pace with the much more expensive Plinius Odeon, then you might want to take a look at the Gemstone Audio Blue Diamond. Made in Canada and sold direct (see: www.gemstoneaudio.com ) for a little over $2k for a five-channel version. This is an amp that is far more musical than an Earthquake, and way less likely to start a house fire!!


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havent heard much about gemstone...
tell me more..
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