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Usually, when a new Denon/Pio/Yamaha receiver is announced, there is about a million threads discussing them. This has got to be a first! Which means that either people dont care about it too much, not enough info, or it plain sucks

I was thinking about getting either a pre/pro, or go with a 4306 denon, or wait for this Yammy....

but not enough info except for the audioholics blurb.....
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I think a lot of folks are waiting for HDMI 1.3, so don't seem to excited about any of the newer offerings. The exception seems to be the Pio Elite 84, which has a fairly long thread devoted to it (part of the reason I'm guessing is due to it's 4 HMDI inputs).

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I think a lot of folks are waiting for HDMI 1.3, so don't seem to excited about any of the newer offerings. The exception seems to be the Pio Elite 84, which has a fairly long thread devoted to it (part of the reason I'm guessing is due to it's 4 HMDI inputs).

Good call
Four HDMI inputs for just over $1K is unheard of.
And those HDMI inputs are version 1.2.
Throw in iLink and advanced MCACC EQ

not bad............

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I think one big reason is that it doesn't offer much from what the 2600 already does, other than 1080p support.

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I got a friend who can get either a 2500 or a 1600 both brand new for roughly the same price. He asked me if I could help but I don't know that much about either.

What would you guys do if price is equal...thanks.

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I got a friend who can get either a 2500 or a 1600 both brand new for roughly the same price. He asked me if I could help but I don't know that much about either.

What would you guys do if price is equal...thanks.

Get the 1600 if you need HDMI, since the 2500 arguably has a better, bolder sound.

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I haven't been able to find any info on what vertion the HDMI ports will be. I guess it's "posable" to have 1.3... but doughtfull. This Yammie would clean up if they could pull that off.
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I got a friend who can get either a 2500 or a 1600 both brand new for roughly the same price. What would you guys do if price is equal...thanks.

get the RX-V1600 it's a newer, up-dated, design, better audio componentry- ie. Burr Brown DAC's and OP Amp's, better video processing.
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get the RX-V1600 it's a newer, up-dated, design, better audio componentry- ie. Burr Brown DAC's and OP Amp's, better video processing.

Yep that's what I thought, my sister got rid of a HK 240 in favor of the 2600. I have yet to get by her place for any extended listening but she is absolutely in love with it.

Thanks for the help everybody!

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Usually, when a new Denon/Pio/Yamaha receiver is announced, there is about a million threads discussing them. This has got to be a first! Which means that either people dont care about it too much, not enough info, or it plain sucks.

To be honest the current top models, RX-V1600 & RX-V2600, were such a breakthrough in new audio and video-processing design that they were a major step ahead of many of the other mid-level popular brand model's (ie. Denon, Pioneer Elite, etc.,...) late last year. However, it's only the last few months that you're seeing these other brands catching up, for example the new Pioneer Elite 84 model, etc.,...

So, the [few] new features (ie. 1080p, internet connectivity, etc.,..) on the up-coming new Yamaha's seem like not much, that's because they're fairly advanced in other area function's already. I will definitely replace my RX-V2600 with a new RX-V2700, probably, early 2007. These are very nice machines.
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I'm waiting (very impatiently ) for the RX-V2700.

My decision will be between it and the Pioneer VSX-84TSi.
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My decision will be between it and the Pioneer VSX-84TSi.

That was my initial decision.

However, I have since decided that I would rather have 2 front "presence" speakers rather than to extra rear surrounds that I wont use anyway (I have more room in the front, not in the back).
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That was my initial decision.

However, I have since decided that I would rather have 2 front "presence" speakers rather than to extra rear surrounds that I wont use anyway (I have more room in the front, not in the back).

Which one has that front presence feature? I'm leaning strongly in favor of the Yamaha.
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Which one has that front presence feature? I'm leaning strongly in favor of the Yamaha.

That I know of, only the Yamahas and the ultra-high-end Denons use them.

I think they (presence speakers) are great, and every reviewer that has used them has commented that they really add a whole lot to the surround experience.

On the flip side, I rarely (never) see a review that talks about how great it is to have four surround speakers BEHIND your head (and only 3 up front where all the action is).
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Even less info on the Z10 ...

Will Yamaha have a new flagship ?

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That I know of, only the Yamahas and the ultra-high-end Denons use them.

I think they (presence speakers) are great, and every reviewer that has used them has commented that they really add a whole lot to the surround experience.

On the flip side, I rarely (never) see a review that talks about how great it is to have four surround speakers BEHIND your head (and only 3 up front where all the action is).

Excellent! This seals the RX-V2700 for me. Thanks for the info!
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MSRP is pretty fat more than Elite 84TXVI
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MSRP is pretty fat more than Elite 84TXVI

True, but the 2700 will fulfill all of my receiver needs/wants for the next 5-8 years. It'll be money well spent.
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MSRP is pretty fat more than Elite 84TXVI

Yo Zoro.

My fav "unauthorized" online dealer for receivers (a real SOUNDPROfessional ), says he will have (sell) the V2700 for about $250~300 over the price of the 84.

That aint too bad, is it?
I dont think so. Especially with all the HDMI problems that are being posted in the 84 owners thread.
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Rob, can you pm me? thnx
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I'm wondering which one of is better overaal, specially for these features (between the 2700 vs the Elite 84)

1. YPAO vs MCCAC : this one is still unknown, but several 84 and the older 54 elite guys are raving about it. YPAO has gotten mixed reviews to say the least, so I dont know. I would really like to hear some feedback from someone who's had both setups.

2. ABT vs Faroudja: the FLI23xx is a proven solution, so I dont know exactly how this will compare, as I've not heard much about the ABT. I'll be interested in some feedback here as well (Kris Deering, where are you? )

3. Yamaha "sound" vs Pioneer's.....that would be a personal choice I assume, as many like the Elites, but most others prefer the Yammy.

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Four HDMI inputs for just over $1K is unheard of.

I've not seen the VSX-84TX for anywhere near $1K unless you want to buy it without a warranty. All the "legitimate" etailers want $1500.00.

I'm considering purchasing the VSX-81TXN, but don't know if I want to pay a $300 premium for making a legitimate purchase and therefore having the warrranty.
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FYI:

Yamaha says the V2700 will be shipping in October, and their website will be updated soon.
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FYI:

Yamaha says the V2700 will be shipping in October, and their website will be updated soon.

where did you hear that from?
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Hdmi 1.3 Or Bust!!!!
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Hdmi 1.3 Or Bust!!!!

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Okay, say I go out and pick up the RX-V2700 right after Christmas. I know it'll be a big step up from my current receiver, but how will it preform IF HDMI 1.3 and Dolby Digtal HD, etc. comes into play next year or sometime in the near future?

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Okay, say I go out and pick up the RX-V2700 right after Christmas. I know it'll be a big step up from my current receiver, but how will it preform IF HDMI 1.3 and Dolby Digtal HD, etc. comes into play next year or sometime in the near future?

it's a loaded question....but basically:

1. you will need a source that can output in 1.3 (so your PS3, your Blu-ray or new HD-DVD player, etc) will have to have 1.3 support as well.

2. if you dont have 1.3, your 1.1 and 1.2 receivers can do just fine as they can decode full digital PCM bitstreams thry HDMI, so whatever the blu-ray, PS3, etc, passes out, you can send it via PCM and the reciever can handle it.

the question is not about "performance" as that depends on the internals of the reciever (decoding, pre-amp section, dacs, etc), but rather, about whether the receiver will be capable of handling the new formats.....and the answer is Yes.

the thing that 1.3 gives you is the ability to pass uncompressed formats (to be determined by the way) thru the HDMI cable for the reciever to decode.
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Thanks, ssabripo, that was a useful piece of info.

So, if I upgarde to the 2700, and if HDMI 1.3 comes into being, I'll still be able to enjoy my receiver, although it just may not be as good as having one with 1.3 technology? I read somewhere that Dolby Digital HD will sound better that regular Dolby Digital, but the difference won't be as big as say, VHS stereo to DVD 5.1.

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Thanks, ssabripo, that was a useful piece of info.

So, if I upgarde to the 2700, and if HDMI 1.3 comes into being, I'll still be able to enjoy my receiver, although it just may not be as good as having one with 1.3 technology? I read somewhere that Dolby Digital HD will sound better that regular Dolby Digital, but the difference won't be as big as say, VHS stereo to DVD 5.1.

I think you still not understanding what I'm trying to say:

your 2700 will still be able to enjoy Dolby Digital HD, DTS-HD, whatever new format, etc...... you just simply have to pass it to the 2700 in digital multi-channel PCM, rather than the uncompressed bitstream for the 2700 to decode.

You keep mentioning the "may not be as good"....HDMI 1.3 does NOT affect how the reciever will sound!! it only affects its connectivity. Your Reciever internals, the DACs it is using, the pre-amp section, its processing, etc, is what will show how good your reciever is, not whether it can handle 1.3 connectivity or not.
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