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post #91 of 1010 Old 11-01-2006, 12:49 AM
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I already post this but no one responded.
"Can someone explain to me what is the benefit of having HDMI on the receiver?
I am currently connecting HDMI directly to my TV not to my receiver."
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The Receiver can upconvert the signal (whether HD, or SD) to the best available format for your TV. Also, you only require one HDMI feed from your receiver to your TV because analog signals can be upconverted to digital and transfered through HDMI.
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So I called, they have one is stock each, and the Oklahoma warehouse has 4 in it. But, they can't do store transfers (except where they can drive it), and I can't order from them to have it shipped since it's not on the website.

Crazy.

I'll try one last time with my local stores to see if they can order from the OK warehouse, but this is just rediculous. CC seems more like a franchise than a chain.

Anyone want to buy one and sell to me on eBay?

Well, yesterday I got a flurry of e-mail notices from on-line stores that they have it in stock. I called Crutchfield (if I'm going to pay list, at least they are reliable), and I received it today. Free shipping, no tax.

Works as advertised, great HDMI upconvert of all signal types, so I'm very excited. New surround modes also very nice.

Thanks everyone for keeping the update posts coming! It appears this is almost generally available now!

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Well I hope we are all closer to getting the 804's we have been waiting for .I see they also posted it on the Onkyo web site today for the first time . I can't wait !!!!

Well just thought I would let everyone know I got my 804 today after work from my Local audio store . Got a good deal I think. I paid $829 for it because I had to wait so long and I have bought alot of stuff from them recently .Speakers, DVD ect. It is really not a whole lot different then the 803 they gave to use until my 804 came in other then the HDMI upconvert.But I like it and it makes my Paradigm speakers sound real good .I think it will sound much better when I get the time to tweak everything.
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Just wondering if anyone else has experienced a "hum" when playing a DVD (or anything else for that matter) through your 804?

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For people in this thread, is this 804 receiver really the best receiver under $1,000?
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Just wondering if anyone else has experienced a "hum" when playing a DVD (or anything else for that matter) through your 804?

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No hum at all. You using a high-quality subwoofer cable? That's usually where a hum comes from. At a minimum, try disconnecting the sub and see if it goes away.

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For people in this thread, is this 804 receiver really the best receiver under $1,000?
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That's an incredibly subjective question. The 804 is a very good sub-$1K receiver, with HDMI upconvert and switching, and lots of other good features for this price range.

I've liked and purchased Onkyo for over 20 years, for it's sound, ease of use, and reliability.

But there are other models that are probably close to as good, the same, or better, depending on your own preferences and listening habits.

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Ok guys, I've been reading over the manual on the 804 and on page 46 under Minimum Speaker Impendance it states.....
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If the impendance of any speaker is 4ohms or more but less then 6, set the Minimum Speaker Impendance to 4ohms

So I'm assuming that if you've got a mix bag, meaning something like 8ohm mains, 4ohm center, and 6ohm surrounds for example, then you'd still set the impendance to 4ohms? I can't help but think you would, because otherwise you'd run the risk of the unit going into protective mode if you're playing at high volume levels.

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Has anyone had success finding the 804 in the Northern Virginia/Stafford area? I don't see it listed on the Circuit City website. Myer-Emco is not an Onkyo dealer. Neither is Tweeter.

Am I going to have to buy it from Crutchfield or One Call?
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Hi dear Onkyo 804 owners,

I posted these questions in another thread but looks like that thread was dead. It seems this is the better place to ask them.

I have a couple of questions regarding the receiver:

1. I will have a Sharp LCD TV and Sanyo front projector. I want to feed the 804 to both. Since the receiver only has one HDMI output, I plan to connect the HDMI to the Sharp and use component output to Sanyo. I will use both display at same time occasionally. Here is my question, will the 804 output images to both displays at same time?

2. About the OSD

I downloaded the owner's manual and have been reading it and found following statements:

Page 78
■ Immediate Display
This preference determines whether operation details are displayed onscreen when an AV receiver function is adjusted.
On: Displayed (default).
Off: Not displayed.
Even when On is selected, operation details are not output if the input source is connected to a COMPONENT VIDEO IN or HDMI IN.

Page 66
The onscreen setup menus are displayed on the connected TV (not via the HDMI OUT)

It seems the OSD wouldn't display through HDMI according the manual? But in another thread someone said the menu structure will show through HDMI so I'm confused. Can someone verify the real situation of the OSD?


3. I will need run 25 ft of HDMI or component cable. I wonder if that will cause noticeable signal loss because the cables are too long? Anyone has experince run similar length cables?

Manny thanks,
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1) Not sure.

2) Yes, I'll say again, it displays the configuration menu via HDMI, but nothing else (like volume or other real-time display stuff).

3) I have a longer run than that, with no problems.

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Looking forward to checking this unit out. No luck finding one in GA so far though.
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Anyone got any reviews of the receiver yet?

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Anyone got any reviews of the receiver yet?

I own the Onkyo 800 that was released several years ago; no complaints, still going strong. It has a good menu and great sound, adjustability and features. Great remote, don't know about the 804's remote.

I was considering a Denon 3806, but it looks like the Denon doesn't offer anything more over the Onkyo 804. So, I'm sticking with the Onkyo product!
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1) Not sure.

2) Yes, I'll say again, it displays the configuration menu via HDMI, but nothing else (like volume or other real-time display stuff).

3) I have a longer run than that, with no problems.

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bit the bullet and ordered an 804 from ******* this morning. Should be here by Thursday!
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Does anyone think this will go for less than the retail price within the next month or so? I see a few retailers have it online now, but they are all at retail price.

jr.com has had them for $799.00 with free shipping since 11/3. That is very tempting.

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jr.com has had them for $799.00 with free shipping since 11/3. That is very tempting.

Argh! Why didn't you post this yesterday!!

I'm going to have to give 0necall a...call.

UPDATE: just called 0necall and they matched the JR price + equivalent shipping, so I was refunded around $143! Woot!
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My 804 will be delivered today. It'll be a couple days before I try it out, though as I'm still waiting on my Klipsch speakers. I also have to finish running some wire.

I'm moving my Onkyo 800 up to the bedroom with the 42" Samsung DLP and the Hsu VT-12 setup.
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What is the difference between the Onkyo 804 and the Onkyo 803. It appears they both do HDMI switching.

Is there any reason to buy the 804 over the 803?
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What is the difference between the Onkyo 804 and the Onkyo 803. It appears they both do HDMI switching.

Is there any reason to buy the 804 over the 803?


This has been addressed at least twice in this thread - the 804 upconverts all inputs to HDMI.

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This has been addressed at least twice in this thread - the 804 upconverts all inputs to HDMI.

Okay, but does that upconverting provide visual benefits -- or is just convenience of one cable to the display then? Sometimes that adds artifacts.

If you upconvert component to HDMI, do you lose any quality via artifacts or anything?
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Okay, but does that upconverting provide visual benefits -- or is just convenience of one cable to the display then? Sometimes that adds artifacts.

If you upconvert component to HDMI, do you lose any quality via artifacts or anything?

Artifacts are usually a result of analog issues. HDMI is fully digital, and you are significantly decreasing the length of your analog runs.

In my case, I see no artifacts, from either composite, 720p component, or 1080i component upconverted to HDMI.

And that's a pretty big convenience for me, and worth it.

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In my case, I see no artifacts, from either composite, 720p component, or 1080i component upconverted to HDMI.

By upconverted, do you mean to a higher resolution, like 1080p? Or do you just mean the signal is being switched to digital?

I'm just wondering if the 804 upconverts all inputs to 1080p, or just diplays them in their deinterlaced resolution (480i -> 480p; 720p -> 720p)

I searched the three pdf manuals I've found and can't seem to find the answer. Everything just keeps saying 'upconvert' with out defining it. Maybe I missed it.

BTW, just ordered the 804 last night, so I guess I'll know for sure in a few days.
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Artifacts are usually a result of analog issues. HDMI is fully digital, and you are significantly decreasing the length of your analog runs.

In my case, I see no artifacts, from either composite, 720p component, or 1080i component upconverted to HDMI.

And that's a pretty big convenience for me, and worth it.

Well if you change resolutions you can get artifacts. Is the upconverting changing resolution too?

Not sure what is meant by "upconverting" here.
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By upconverted, do you mean to a higher resolution, like 1080p? Or do you just mean the signal is being switched to digital?

I'm just wondering if the 804 upconverts all inputs to 1080p, or just diplays them in their deinterlaced resolution (480i -> 480p; 720p -> 720p)

I searched the three pdf manuals I've found and can't seem to find the answer. Everything just keeps saying 'upconvert' with out defining it. Maybe I missed it.

BTW, just ordered the 804 last night, so I guess I'll know for sure in a few days.

It keeps the original resolution, and "upconverts" to the HDMI output. You're right, upconvert is an overloaded term.

In any case, it doesn't do anything to change source resolution, so:
- Analog composite and S-Video become 480i over HDMI
- Component 480p, 720p, and 1080i keep the same resolution over HDMI
- HDMI just passes through

It does support passing through up to 1080p, so a BluRay or HDDVD input will pass through to your TV in 1080p if you want.

No artifacting at all, since no resolution change.

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It keeps the original resolution, and "upconverts" to the HDMI output. You're right, upconvert is an overloaded term.

In any case, it doesn't do anything to change source resolution, so:
- Analog composite and S-Video become 480i over HDMI
- Component 480p, 720p, and 1080i keep the same resolution over HDMI
- HDMI just passes through

It does support passing through up to 1080p, so a BluRay or HDDVD input will pass through to your TV in 1080p if you want.

No artifacting at all, since no resolution change.

So the benefit is less cabling then. But heck, I haven't connected composite or s-video to anything in years. Its all component or HDMI now.
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So the benefit is less cabling then. But heck, I haven't connected composite or s-video to anything in years. Its all component or HDMI now.

Me too, but here are the benefits to me:

1) One input on the TV, so none of those annoying situations where the TV doesn't recognize the input change from the universal remote macro - it never changes

2) My HT rack is in a closet with about a 25-foot cable run to the TV. HDMI has no problem with that, but component is sketchy. No more with the upconvert.

3) HDMI contains the full digital audio, so no more TOSlink or coax cables for audio, which also frees up some of those digital audio inputs for other devices that need them.

Overall, a much cleaner set up, and more user friendly. For basically the same price, why wouldn't you get it?

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First impression: wow!

I received my 804 a few days ago, but have waited until I had time to dedicate to setting it up.

I used the auto audio configuration twice, but I still need to tweak it.

I, also, had bought an Oppo DV-970HD and had about an hour of trouble getting my SACD's and a few DVD-As to work properly with the 804 and my Samsung HL-S6188W. After reading the support documentation at Oppo's website, I found that I had to switch the DV-970HD's HDMI interface from the default 480i to output 1080i.

"According to the HDMI specification, the bandwidth available for digital audio is proportional to the total bandwidth used by digital video."

Strange, but had to be done in order for those high resolution formats to be played. One of my Porcupine Tree DVD-As was playing very loud in the Front Right and Right Surround channels and it was distored; sounded aweful. All of my SACDs would not play at all. The 804 would briefly flash "PCM" and "Stereo" every 5-8 seconds. After I changed the Oppo's HDMI output, everything has been playing beautifully!

So, thanks, Onkyo! Another wonderful product.

Now, I'm still waiting on my Klipsch speakers to arrive.
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The Receiver can upconvert the signal (whether HD, or SD) to the best available format for your TV. Also, you only require one HDMI feed from your receiver to your TV because analog signals can be upconverted to digital and transfered through HDMI.

As far as I can tell, the primary benefit is the ability to eliminate some cables running to your tv and to upconvert/transcode certain sources. However, often a newer tv will do a better job of this than the receiver. Some tvs will not upconvert from certain inputs, so the receiver fills this gap.

A downside to running all your hdmi components through your receiver is that you may want different tv settings depending on the source, e.g., the pic settings for my 360 are different than the pic settings for my directv and oppo dvd. Of course, even if you run the video direct to the tv, you still want to run the audio for everything through the receiver -- and as I learned, don't output the audio from your tv to the receiver (as opposed to directly running audio from directv/cable/xbox/dvd) because most, close to all, tvs output only stereo, not 5.1+, through the tv's digital out
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