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It just seems that the vocals are weak.

Okay. As I mentioned above, try boosting the voice band (300 Hz to 3400 Hz). Did you try this yet? You're not going to make any progress with this issue unless you work on it.

Are all of your speakers of the same make and similar model? Are they timbre matched?

Speaker placement? Where is the center channel speaker? Is it firing towards your main seating area?
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Okay. As I mentioned above, try boosting the voice band (300 Hz to 3400 Hz). Did you try this yet? You're not going to make any progress with this issue unless you work on it.

Are all of your speakers of the same make and similar model? Are they timbre matched?

Speaker placement? Where is the center channel speaker? Is it firing towards your main seating area?

I have not been able to spend time on this issue but rest assured that I will update you as soon as possible.

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Some of you may have experienced this annoying problem with your 804 - "A hum beginning in the 60mhz+ range. I may have stumbled upon a major clue into how this "hum" occurs. About a month ago I was at my local CC and noticed that the demo 804 had the same "hum". On another visit I noticed that the same unit no longer had the interference. Well, as luck would have it , the 804 that I purchased had the same "hum". This morning I installed a new Sony upconverting DVD player and removed my veteran Denon DVD 2200. Immediately after the installation was complete and I fired the Onkyo up I noticed the "hum" was gone. Sensing I may have stumbled upon something I called my local CC and found out that the demo 804 "hummed" with one Sony DVD but did not with another. So crazy as this sounds I believe the treaded "hum" is in some way related to the connected DVD player.

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I have running into serious jitter issues with my PS3 connected via HDMI to the Onkyo TX-SR804 when the PS3 is set to output video at 1080p. When I say jitter, I mean that the audio and video drops in and out and the Onkyo TX-SR804 loses and gains synch with the audio stream and the video feed to my monitor drops in and out accordingly. When dropping the resolution output of the PS3 to 1080i, there are no issues. Also, when I connect the PS3 via HDMI right to my Panasonic TH-50PX600U @1080p, there are no issues at all. I have posted more details of this problem in the PS3 thread here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9156719

I am wondering if my Onkyo TX-SR804 is defective or there are others that can confirm the same issue. Help???
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Okay. As I mentioned above, try boosting the voice band (300 Hz to 3400 Hz). Did you try this yet? You're not going to make any progress with this issue unless you work on it.

Are all of your speakers of the same make and similar model? Are they timbre matched?

Speaker placement? Where is the center channel speaker? Is it firing towards your main seating area?

I had a similar problem.. I cranked up my center channel and rears (I have very large floorstanding left and right speakers and smaller center channel-- so I cranked my center channel to match my left and right speakers and I have been a happy camper ever since-- hope this helps!

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I had a similar problem.. I cranked up my center channel and rears (I have very large floorstanding left and right speakers and smaller center channel-- so I cranked my center channel to match my left and right speakers and I have been a happy camper ever since-- hope this helps!

I solved my problem in this same manner. Thanks to everyone for the help.

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I have running into serious jitter issues with my PS3 connected via HDMI to the Onkyo TX-SR804 when the PS3 is set to output video at 1080p. When I say jitter, I mean that the audio and video drops in and out and the Onkyo TX-SR804 loses and gains synch with the audio stream and the video feed to my monitor drops in and out accordingly. When dropping the resolution output of the PS3 to 1080i, there are no issues. Also, when I connect the PS3 via HDMI right to my Panasonic TH-50PX600U @1080p, there are no issues at all. I have posted more details of this problem in the PS3 thread here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9156719

I am wondering if my Onkyo TX-SR804 is defective or there are others that can confirm the same issue. Help???

i'd be interested if anyone else is seeing this too. currently looking to upgrade and the 804 is top of the list right now.

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are there any online reviews of this receiver yet?

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I need some help on my setup.

I bought the 804 with expectation to use it to feed 2 displays in different rooms -- one projector in my home theater room through component-out where all my equipment are placed , and a single TV through HDMI-out in the adjacent living room. I thought 804 will upcovert video and audio from all sources so I only need run one HDMI cable to the TV.

While it does feed video through to 2 displays at the same time, I failed to pass any sound to my TV. I'm bit surprised to find out the HDMI-out on 804 carry no audio, if the connection is coax or optical to the 804. I called Onkyo and they confirmed this.

My next choice is to use analog Zone 2 line out to the TV. Then I found out same thing -- no Zone 2 line out available if the input is digital audio! The owner's manual mentioned it briefly.

The 3rd choice would be a pair powered Zone 2 speakers through Zone 2 speaker connection, but I don't have a space for the speakers.

I just need sound -- any sound -- to the TV, so I can watch it. I don't need fancy sound in that room. I think I may get something out from 804's Preout. According to Onkyo, the preout should work all the time regardless. So I connected the F/L and F/R preout to my TV's line in, No sound!

Things don't stop here. I accidentally plugged the TV audio line-out to the receiver's Preout. Guess what? The receiver amplified the TV audio through my HT speakers! Isn't the preout supposed to output sound instead of intake it? I'm totally lost!

I'm not sure if I did any thing wrong or my 804 is defective on the preout part? My TV is Sharp LC42D62U. I confirmed the analog line-in on my TV in working order by directly connecting DVD analog line-out to it.

Anyone ever tested your preout on your 804 unit?
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"I'm bit surprised to find out the HDMI-out on 804 carry no audio, if the connection is coax or optical to the 804."

Not that it will work in your application try this- "Make sure that you have SETUP Item 7-5. HDMI Setup, HDMI Audio Out: set to ON".

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"I'm bit surprised to find out the HDMI-out on 804 carry no audio, if the connection is coax or optical to the 804."

Not that it will work in your application try this- "Make sure that you have SETUP Item 7-5. HDMI Setup, HDMI Audio Out: set to ON".

I tried 7-5 on/off, no difference. This option is for the situation where the input source is from HDMI input 1 or HDMI input 2 which already contain Audio signal.
You can set this on/off to decide if you want the audio part pass to the TV or not.

But for the case of video upconversion, the video is from component and the audio is from coax or optical, the receiver will only transcode the video to HDMI but it won't add audio part to the output HDMI singal. I for the 1st time read the manual thoroughly this morning. I think somewhere in the manual mentioned it.

Now I just wonder if I can get anything out from the Preout? The manual only briefly mentioned preout. It seems nowhere can set it on or off. Still wonder if anyone tried the preout?
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But for the case of video upconversion, the video is from component and the audio is from coax or optical, the receiver will only transcode the video to HDMI but it won't add audio part to the output HDMI singal. I for the 1st time read the manual thoroughly this morning. I think somewhere in the manual mentioned it.

I'll bet no products short of full-blown video processors will do this: mix external audio onto HDMI video.
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I agree.. I don't know of many receiver that will mix audio and put them both through an HDMI ouput - but I could be totally wrong

anybody else having problems with hiss on this receiver? I would also like to know about losing audio on the ps3 HDMI 1080p pass through--- I have a ps3 and 804 under the tree right now.. anybody else having this problem?

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I don't have a PS3 but other than that, no hiss or problems. I did have an issue of sporadic video dropouts (still had audio) and that was frustrating...but since determined that it was a broken hdmi cable...too tight of a bend radius in the back of the cabinet.

Still need a little quiet time to calibrate the speakers, but it all sounds and looks great.

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that is very reassuring! any other news from other 804 owners?

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I have running into serious jitter issues with my PS3 connected via HDMI to the Onkyo TX-SR804 when the PS3 is set to output video at 1080p. When I say jitter, I mean that the audio and video drops in and out and the Onkyo TX-SR804 loses and gains synch with the audio stream and the video feed to my monitor drops in and out accordingly. When dropping the resolution output of the PS3 to 1080i, there are no issues. Also, when I connect the PS3 via HDMI right to my Panasonic TH-50PX600U @1080p, there are no issues at all. I have posted more details of this problem in the PS3 thread here:

I am wondering if my Onkyo TX-SR804 is defective or there are others that can confirm the same issue. Help???


This is happening to me as well. When I set the PS3 to 1080p, the ps3 menu starts to shake and wobble. Sometimes there are lines of "fuzz" that pop up on the screen. When I switch to 1080i, the video signal is fine, but the audio still doesn't work. I have tried the linear PCM and bitstream settings on the PS3 and neither work. Occasionally I will get audio at the DVD menu, but when the movie starts the audio never clicks back on. The audio of the PS3 works fine when plugged straight into my Sharp Aquos 52" LCD TV. I'm getting fed up. Crutchfiled is sending me a replacement receiver, but if it still doesn't work, I'll be in the market for a new receiver that will work properly with 1080p settings.
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hey all - just hooked up my 804, when i plug in either dvd via HDMI (input) or plug the 804 into the TV (output), when i turn then unit up, i get nasty noise. i start hearing it at about -17 and it just gets progressively louder. when i unplug either or both hdmi connections, the noise comes back. i'm using AR HMDI cables, cost 100 bucks each, so I would hope that qualifies as decent cable - can't for the life of me figure out why the dvd player would be noisy via hmdi (when the TV HDMI is disconnected) - anybody else have this problem? it's REALLY annoying....
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Just watched Invincible on Blu-Ray through PS3, uncompressed LPCM via HDMI set to 1080p. No hum, no jitter, just an awesome picture and sound. LPCM sounds great through this receiver! I WANT MORE!
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Just hooked up my new 804 tonight, and LPCM with TrueHD sounds great. No problems with the HDMI and Toshiba A2. Auto speaker setup works good also!

Ebuzzmiller, several users have reported a noise in their speakers. One cause has been a faulty DVD player with some ground loop problem.
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Glad to hear some people are having good experiences with their 804s! any others have good or bad experiences with their new onkyo? I still have mine in a box -- I have to wait until I get home after the new year to test it out.. I can't stand it!

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Just hooked up my new 804 tonight, and LPCM with TrueHD sounds great. No problems with the HDMI and Toshiba A2. Auto speaker setup works good also!

Ebuzzmiller, several users have reported a noise in their speakers. One cause has been a faulty DVD player with some ground loop problem.


What televison did you use?

FYI, I'm the one that had the ground loop problem with the faulty DVD.

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I am using a Toshiba 56hm195 dlp ( 1080i input upconverts to 1080p internal). I have a 7.1 speaker setup and was not happy about losing the back channels in LPCM mode, but 5.1 in LPCM is BETTER! Very good separation between channels and richer sound! As of now I don't miss the 7.1 as much as I thought I would. Has any one else experienced this?
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I am using a Toshiba 56hm195 dlp ( 1080i input upconverts to 1080p internal). I have a 7.1 speaker setup and was not happy about losing the back channels in LPCM mode, but 5.1 in LPCM is BETTER! Very good separation between channels and richer sound! As of now I don't miss the 7.1 as much as I thought I would. Has any one else experienced this?

Yeah, I don't like that, either. I posted the following back on page 5 of this thread:

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Question for 804 owners that owned a previous Onkyo 800 series:

I have an Onkyo 800 where, with a 5.1 source and a 7.1 speaker setup the receiver can be set to output the side channel audio into all 4 of the rear channels. The setting in the 800's setup menu was something like this:

Speakers to use for 5.1 sources:
a. Side Surrounds
b. Rear Surrounds
c. Side + Rear Surrounds


This allowed the user to select which sets of speakers would be used for a 5.1 source. The "B" setting would be the more traditional 5.1 choice, but if you had a full 7.1 speaker setup, then the "C" choice sounded great.

This setting made 5.1 sources more emmersive than just using 5.1 speakers of a 7.1 setup as the 804 does.

Where is this feature in the Onkyo 804?

The THX Select2 Cinema mode is useful and fun, but is not what the 800 had.

I really miss that setting; more so now that I have an HD DVD player.
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Question for 804 owners that owned a previous Onkyo 800 series:

I have an Onkyo 800 where, with a 5.1 source and a 7.1 speaker setup the receiver can be set to output the side channel audio into all 4 of the rear channels. The setting in the 800's setup menu was something like this:

Speakers to use for 5.1 sources:
a. Side Surrounds
b. Rear Surrounds
c. Side + Rear Surrounds

This allowed the user to select which sets of speakers would be used for a 5.1 source. The "B" setting would be the more traditional 5.1 choice, but if you had a full 7.1 speaker setup, then the "C" choice sounded great.


Page 62 of the manual explains what modes to use for 5.1 DVDs, where you want to matrix it to make it 7.1:


Dolby Digital+PLIIx Movie, DTS+PLIIx Movie
These modes use the Pro Logic IIx Movie
mode to expand 5.1-channel Dolby Digital
and DTS sources for 7.1-channel playback.
Use them with Dolby Digital and DTS 5.1
movies (e.g., DVD and select digital TV broadcasts).
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Question for 804 owners that owned a previous Onkyo 800 series:

I have an Onkyo 800 where, with a 5.1 source and a 7.1 speaker setup the receiver can be set to output the side channel audio into all 4 of the rear channels. The setting in the 800's setup menu was something like this:

Speakers to use for 5.1 sources:
a. Side Surrounds
b. Rear Surrounds
c. Side + Rear Surrounds

This allowed the user to select which sets of speakers would be used for a 5.1 source. The "B" setting would be the more traditional 5.1 choice, but if you had a full 7.1 speaker setup, then the "C" choice sounded great.

Page 62 of the manual explains what modes to use for 5.1 DVDs, where you want to matrix it to make it 7.1:


Dolby Digital+PLIIx Movie, DTS+PLIIx Movie
These modes use the Pro Logic IIx Movie
mode to expand 5.1-channel Dolby Digital
and DTS sources for 7.1-channel playback.
Use them with Dolby Digital and DTS 5.1
movies (e.g., DVD and select digital TV broadcasts).

Yeah, I see that mode, but it is creating audio for the Left Rear and Right Rear channels based on the 5.1 source.

What I'm talking about was a setting in the 800 receiver, not a sound mode. If a 5.1 source was being played, the 800 would send the same signal from the Left Side channel to the Left Rear channel. It would do the same to the Right channels; duplicate the Right Side channel in the Right Rear.

The different modes are nice, especially the THX Select2 Cinema mode, but they are creating a soundtrack that isn't original to the film.
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Yeah, I see that mode, but it is creating audio for the Left Rear and Right Rear channels based on the 5.1 source.

What I'm talking about was a setting in the 800 receiver, not a sound mode. If a 5.1 source was being played, the 800 would send the same signal from the Left Side channel to the Left Rear channel. It would do the same to the Right channels; duplicate the Right Side channel in the Right Rear.

The different modes are nice, especially the THX Select2 Cinema mode, but they are creating a soundtrack that isn't original to the film.

If you use 5.1 + DDEX or 5.1 + plII , I bet one of those does the exact same thing you are talking about.

After all, if the track is DD 5.1, but you add to it either:

1. DD EX OR;

2. Pro Logic II

(see page 62, you can do either of those to a DD 5.1 track)

then I think thats the same thing the 800 did. Either way its not in the sound track, if the soundtrack is only 5.1.

So the 800 did the same thing. It matrixed sound to the rear channels, when it was not in the soundtrack. Perhaps they just called it something else in the 800 manual.

That sounds like exactly what the options are on page 62 of the manual for the 804. You are talking about 2 different names for essentially the same thing.

These aren't DSP modes -- this is expanding 5.1 to 7.1 systems. So I can't see how this isn't the same thing as what the 800 did.

Its NOT going to create discrete sounds in the rear if none exist for either of those modes mentioned on page 62. It will only do it for DD EX, if it is a DD EX soundtrack.

So it will only duplicate it. I believe.
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If you use 5.1 + DDEX or 5.1 + plII , I bet one of those does the exact same thing you are talking about.

After all, if the track is DD 5.1, but you add to it either:

1. DD EX OR;

2. Pro Logic II

(see page 62, you can do either of those to a DD 5.1 track)

then I think thats the same thing the 800 did. Either way its not in the sound track, if the soundtrack is only 5.1.

So the 800 did the same thing. It matrixed sound to the rear channels, when it was not in the soundtrack. Perhaps they just called it something else in the 800 manual.

That sounds like exactly what the options are on page 62 of the manual for the 804. You are talking about 2 different names for essentially the same thing.

These aren't DSP modes -- this is expanding 5.1 to 7.1 systems. So I can't see how this isn't the same thing as what the 800 did.

Its NOT going to create discrete sounds in the rear if none exist for either of those modes mentioned on page 62. It will only do it for DD EX, if it is a DD EX soundtrack.

So it will only duplicate it. I believe.

The 800 did not matrix the sound. It cloned it. What I'm talking about wasn't a sound mode like the 804 has. It wasn't an algorithm, DSP soundfield, etc. It did not "create" anything new for the surround rear pair. It was a setting in the setup menu to tell the 800 which set of speakers (side pair, rear pair or both pairs) to use to play a 5.1 source through. It just allowed you to utilize the two left surround speakers and the two right surround speakers of your 7.1 setup to playback 5.1 sources.

Here, this'll be easier for you to see. Check out page 53 (3-2. Surround Speakers Sub-menu) of the 800 manual:

http://www.onkyousa.com/download/own...m?cat=Receiver
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The 800 did not matrix the sound. It cloned it. What I'm talking about wasn't a sound mode like the 804 has. It wasn't an algorithm, DSP soundfield, etc. It did not "create" anything new for the surround rear pair. It was a setting in the setup menu to tell the 800 which set of speakers (side pair, rear pair or both pairs) to use to play a 5.1 source through. It just allowed you to utilize the two left surround speakers and the two right surround speakers of your 7.1 setup to playback 5.1 sources.

Here, this'll be easier for you to see. Check out page 53 (3-2. Surround Speakers Sub-menu) of the 800 manual:

http://www.onkyousa.com/download/own...m?cat=Receiver

Perhaps that setting you refer to (the last part -- surr l/r and back) is the same as adding pro logic II to DD 5.1 (or DTS) to the 804, since that setting doesn't exist in the 800. But you can turn DD 5.1 EX to "on" (and DTS- ES to "on") -- which would be more equivalent to DD 5.1 + EX.

See page 56 of the 800 manual. You can't add pro logic in surround mode, like you can on the 804.
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The 804/PS3 handshake problem is not the fault of the 804 but the PS3. I've read this problem occurs with the Sammy HD DVD player as well. I was looking into buying the 674 too, and the same issue were happening. I almost bought a 674 today but Brandsmart didn't have the silver one available....but what they ended up doing was selling me the 804S for $699 instead!

I just wanted to shed some light on the the handshake issue though. Look through some of the 674 threads for more info on that.
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