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Has anyone tried the new Marantz SR4001/5001/7001/8001?
These are completely redesigned models from their last offerings.

What's your impression?
Does the HDMI connection (video/audio) work well?
How's the sound quality compared to the previous Marantz?

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P.S. For those who are new to these Marantz, here are some key features (hopefully, all information you'd need):

Features of SR4001/SR5001

- HDMI Ver1.1 (2 In/1 Out) (Processing audio over HDMI)
- Dolby Pro Logic IIx
- Circle Surround II
- Dolby Headphone 2
- HDCD decoding
- Bass Management with Variable Crossover Frequency (80,100,120,150,180Hz)
- 7.1 CH Pre Out / 7.1 CH Analog Input
- 7 x 80 Watts (8 Ohm) (SR4001) / 7 x 90 Watts (SR5001)
- High Power Current Feedback Circuitry
- Massive EI-type Transformer
- 192/24 Crystal DAC for all 8 Channels
- Video Off Mode
- Source/Pure Direct Mode
- Set up Menu via Composite, S-Video, and Component
- Video Upconversion up to Component
- Aluminum front panel
- Multi Room Speaker Out
- New shallow chassis (< 16")
- XM ready (SR5001 only)
- Lip Sync Delay (SR5001 only)
- Multi Room Audio Pre-out (SR5001 only)
- Dimensions W" x H" x D" (Inches): 17 5/16" x 6 5/16" x 15 1/4"
- Weight (lbs): 25.1 (SR4001) / 27.1 (SR5001)
- MSRP: $549 (SR4001) / $749 (SR5001)

Features of SR7001/SR8001

- HDMI Ver1.2 (4 In/1 Out) (2 Out on SR8001) (Processing audio including SACD over HDMI)
- THX Select 2 Certified (THX Surround EX)
- Dolby Pro Logic IIx
- Circle Surround II
- Dolby Headphone 2
- HDCD decoding
- Audyssey Mult EQ
- Bass Management with Variable Crossover Frequency (60,80,100,120,140,160,180Hz)
- 7.1 CH Pre Out / 7.1 CH Analog Input
- 7 x 110 Watts (8 Ohms) (SR7001) / 7 x 125 Watts (SR8001)
- High Power Current Feedback Circuitry
- Massive EI-type Transformer (SR7001) / Toroidal Transformer (SR8001)
- 192/24 DAC for all 8 Channels
- Video Off Mode
- Source/Pure Direct Mode
- Set up Menu via all Video Output (Composite, S-Video, Component, and HDMI)
- Video Upconversion up to HDMI (480p) (w/ TBC)
- Lip Sync Delay
- XM ready
- Function Rename
- Bi-Amp Drive
- 9 bands x 7ch GEQ
- DSD direct conversion (DSD over HDMI)
- DSD to PCM converter for post-processing
- Two component monitor outputs
- Aluminum front panel
- New shallow chassis (< 16")
- Assignable DC Trigger Output
- Multi Room Speaker Out
- Multi Room Audio Pre-out
- Multi Room Video Out (only composite on SR7001)
- Selectable Multi Room Component Video Out (SR8001 only)
- Double Layered Copper Plated Chassis (SR8001 only)
- IR Receiver Input (SR8001 only)
- Emitter Output (SR8001 only)
- Multi Room B output (SR8001 only)
- Dimensions W" x H" x D" (Inches): 17 5/16" x 7 1/4" x 15 5/8"
- Weight (lbs): 33.1 (both SR7001 and SR8001)
- MSRP: $1,399 (SR7001) / $1,999 (SR8001)
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Anyone tried one yet? If so, drop a line.
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I've been waiting to hear comments on the SR-7001 myself. Funny - the minute Denon or Yamaha come out with a new receiver the forum is abuzz with info yet very little (nothing) on the new Marantz receivers.
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I was very close to buying one of these, either the 7001 or 8001. What I really want is a decent prepro with HDMI audio processing and good room correction, but thats not really available yet in anything besides the Lexicon MC-12HD, so I am waiting.

I have a Pioneer Elite 74 but it has some HDMI issues. These new marantzs look very good to me feature wise. They support HDMI 1.2 and will accept DSD streams from an SACD source via HDMI.

They have Audyssey MultEQ, whereas the Denons have MultEQXT. MultEQXT uses higher resolution filters in the measurement process and may be desireable over MultEQ for some rooms.

In the end I bought a Denon 3806 to tide me over until a decent prepro comes out, because it's slightly cheaper and has room correction that's slightly better, but overall the 7001/8001 look great to me. If I didn't have an external amp and was considering a receiver as a more permanent item, I would probably have chosen the 7001 or 8001 over the Denon.
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I've been waiting to hear comments on the SR-7001 myself. Funny - the minute Denon or Yamaha come out with a new receiver the forum is abuzz with info yet very little (nothing) on the new Marantz receivers.

Actually, there was a thread that shared information about these. But it soon became silent. It appears that not many purchased or even auditioned one yet.
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I am looking to pick up a 7001 very soon. Hoping to hear a few user experiences before I pull the trigger though. I've owned Pioneer and Onkyo, but now have a 5500 and a 4500 and am totally sold on the Marantz sound. Only other I am considering is one of the new Yamahas. The Yamaha EQ seems to offer quite a bit of tweakablity, and I am suspect of the Audyssey as I would prefer to eq my subs manually. If I knew I could disable Audyssey below 120hz, I would buy it tomorrow. Anyone know?
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I have owned marantz recievers in the past and thenk they are warm and musical. I enjoyed them but unfortunately I had reliability issues with them. I would look into the new line as I am sure they are musical as always.
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If I knew I could disable Audyssey below 120hz, I would buy it tomorrow. Anyone know?

One thing you can do is to confirm the EQ values determined by AUTO SETUP and use the values in the preset manual 9 band EQ for each channel. This procedure will allow you to tweak the EQs from what the Audyssey determined. But a little problem is that exact frequency points the Audyssey selects can be different from those you can select in the manual EQ.
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I wonder can you adjust one of the auto EQs, and then save it as a preset?
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I wonder can you adjust one of the auto EQs, and then save it as a preset?

According to the manual, I don't think so. You can only check out what the auto setup did. You cannot save it as a preset. You can manually set EQs using the auto setup results.
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Has anyone tried the new Marantz SR4001/5001/7001/8001?

What's your impression?
Does the HDMI connection (video/audio) work well?
How's the sound quality compared to the previous Marantz?

Dear Jay_W,
I have contacted the Marantz with the HDMI upconversion question.
This is what they reply to me today:

"Upconversion to 480P. With all the DVD players, cable boxes and
satellite boxes upconverting to higher resolutions, it is overkill to
have the receivers upconvert as well and in many situations, picture
quality can be worse as the chips in most receivers are VERY cheap."

So, as I understand the upconverting in this model is only up to 480p.
The 1080i/720p signals could be only switched(???).
Nevertheless I am going to buy one, because for me is most important the sound quality . Now I am looking for online authorized dealer or reseller for good deal.
I found one: www.audiophileliquidator.com Total 999.00 + H&H
Unfortunately I don't know nothing about this company.
All other retail dealer are about 1299.00-1399.00
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"Upconversion to 480P. With all the DVD players, cable boxes and
satellite boxes upconverting to higher resolutions, it is overkill to
have the receivers upconvert as well and in many situations, picture
quality can be worse as the chips in most receivers are VERY cheap."

I agree with this. I heard that Yamaha RX-V2600 is not good at upconverting SD contents to 720p and 1080i. Perhaps, the new RX-V2700 is better in that regard since it has a better chip. As for me, I'm okay with only the deinterlacing over HDMI by a receiver. I will let the display scale it.
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Now I am looking for online authorized dealer or reseller for good deal.
I found one: www.audiophileliquidator.com Total 999.00 + H&H
Unfortunately I don't know nothing about this company.
All other retail dealer are about 1299.00-1399.00

That's too bad. I can buy a Denon from an authorized dealer at 20-25% discounted price. Why not Marantz? Not sure though. My opinion is that buying from unauthorized dealers is fine as long as they guarantee no cost exchange for defective items. I have never used a factory warranty for electronics repair.
Anyway, try to call more authorized dealers.
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The SR7001 and 8001s just starting to hit dealers now, so call your dealers for a demo!

For those who want to know: they only convert up to 480p, which is a very handy feature on HDMI for people who have sets that do not accept 480i on this connection.

And I want to note, these are completely brand new from the ground up; they share nothing with last year's models. They are all less than 16" deep, have all of the right features, and all of the Marantz sound quality.

The 8001 is really the one to buy: toroidal power supply, copper chassis, assignable dual component video outputs, two HDMI outputs, built-in IR repeater... you get the idea.

Go get a demo, you won't be disappointed!
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Hi everyone,
I just got my SR7001 today. Great looking unit. Good finish, too.
Unfortunately my new cables will not arrive until Friday, so I can't tell you how it sounds. I'll get back to you as soon as I get my first CD spinning and listening to it. Apart from that the remote is really cool with its LCD with blue backlight , now I can finally manage all my other Marantz stuff comfortably with one remote.
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PS: Maybe I'll connect my old wiring to it tonight.... depending on how well I'll be able to resist the temptation...
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PS: Maybe I'll connect my old wiring to it tonight.... depending on how well I'll be able to resist the temptation...

come on you know you aint gonna be able to just let it sit there and be pretty. I know i wouldnt be able to. have fun with it.

- and thanks to the OP for bringing the 8001 to my attention. I like the fact that it has two hdmi outs and two component outs.
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yep, 2 HDMI outs puts the 8001 in a league all by itself, and makes it the only solution for my theater without using an external switcher. Too cool.
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gonna have to have a listen to it this weekend at a dealer. Just hope it holds up against the the arcam 350.
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Maybe I'll connect my old wiring to it tonight.... depending on how well I'll be able to resist the temptation...

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gonna have to have a listen to it this weekend at a dealer. Just hope it holds up against the the arcam 350.

Look forward to hearing from you!
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I'm also planning on making a head-to-head comparison of SR7001 and Denon AVR-3806 at my home. But not untill a month from now---busy with something else now.......can't wait!
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Hi everyone,
I just got my SR7001 today. Great looking unit. Good finish, too.
Unfortunately my new cables will not arrive until Friday, so I can't tell you how it sounds. I'll get back to you as soon as I get my first CD spinning and listening to it. Apart from that the remote is really cool with its LCD with blue backlight , now I can finally manage all my other Marantz stuff comfortably with one remote.
Cheers


PS: Maybe I'll connect my old wiring to it tonight.... depending on how well I'll be able to resist the temptation...

Dear Dr.Strange, where did you buy it and how much you pay?
Thanks.
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Dear Dr.Strange, where did you buy it and how much you pay?
Thanks.

Hi gmpatent, I got it from my local dealer and paid 1200 for it. (which is 200 off msrp over here...) Oh, that would be about $1500 at the current exchange rate.
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I'm also planning on making a head-to-head comparison of SR7001 and Denon AVR-3806 at my home. But not untill a month from now---busy with something else now.......can't wait!

hope you dont forget to post results.
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If I knew I could disable Audyssey below 120hz, I would buy it tomorrow. Anyone know?

One thing you can do is to confirm the EQ values determined by AUTO SETUP and use the values in the preset manual 9 band EQ for each channel. This procedure will allow you to tweak the EQs from what the Audyssey determined. But a little problem is that exact frequency points the Audyssey selects can be different from those you can select in the manual EQ.

Sorry about my ignorance. I learned that the manual EQ function simply cannot simulate what Audyssey does. Parameters determined by Audyssey auto set up are far more than we can tweak using manual EQs. Yes, if you want to tweak settings from what the auto setup does, Yamaha's auto set up will be more appropriate.
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Yes, if you want to tweak settings from what the auto setup does, Yamaha's auto set up will be more appropriate.


This fact, however, will be a minor annoyance I think. Yamaha has always been known for having a great feature set. But I greatly prefer the Marantz sound for music, as it is definitely on the sweet side, and has been a great match for my speakers.

I have my subs eq'd exactly how I want them right now with a BFD. And to be honest, I am satisfied with how it sounds in two channel. I do believe, though, that I would benefit from some eq on the center channel due to its placement.

So, I see myself doing one of three things. Let me know what you think. One, I run Audyssey pre BFD, and then tweak. Two, run Audyssey post-BFD and hope it doesn't muck it up too bad, then tweak. Or lastly, I thought maybe I could run Audyssey with it thinking I had no sub, then change the speaker settings back to small and add the sub post-Audyssey. Heck, maybe I'll end up selling the BFD. Just have to wait and see how good Audyssey is.

Just some new audio gear daydreaming while I gather funds. Made a deal with my wife that whatever I spend on gear, I have to spend an equal amount on her. So, everything costs double. Luckily she had no clue how much this stuff actually costs.
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I think this thread may be somewhat helpful:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=687600

I know it's a long thread and some pieces of information are confusing. But I learned several things I didn't know about Audyssey from there.
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I notice the first post of this thread states that the SR4001/5001 can process audio via HDMI.

Has that been confirmed?

I was browsing the Marantz site and owner's PDF, the indication being that the HDMI ports were merely for video switching. Maybe I missed something.

Hopefully these AVRs can process HDMI 1.1 audio.

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Yes, all four new Marantz do either v1.1 or v1.2 audio processing. The spec sheet on the Marantz site says "HDMI (v1.1) Repeating," but this is misleading. Look at their owner's manual. You will find HDMI AUDIO menu which can be set to either ENABLE (audio processed by the receiver) or THROUGH (audio passed through).

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Yes, all four new Marantz do either v1.1 or v1.2 audio processing. The spec sheet on the Marantz site says "HDMI (v1.1) Repeating," but this is misleading. Look at their owner's manual. You will find HDMI AUDIO menu which can be set to either ENABLE (audio processed by the receiver) or THROUGH (audio passed through).
Jay

Thanks Jay, very good news indeed.

The 4001 looks like an excellent bottom range product from a price/performance point of view, especially with HDMI audio processing.

Much appreciated.

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We just got in a 5001 and a 8001. Actually, the 8001 is already sold but I played with the 5001 and it does process audio via HDMI.

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