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I wanted to start this thread as a new owner of the Panasonic SA-XR700. (I paid $544 shipped from an online retailer I found through a PriceGrabber search - far below the $1000 MSRP in case anyone's interested. ) There is a lot written about this receiver's older brothers - the XR55 and XR57 - but because of the high suggested price little to no excitement about this model exists. As I understand, it's also still new to the US market.

I received the unit a couple of days ago and I hope to find enough time to get it hooked up soon. The front of the unit is actually more mirror-like than the pictures show; however, it's not obnoxious or distracting in the least. The model is not yet up on the Panasonic US site, but the description and the operating instructions can be found on the UK site.

Panasonic SA-XR700 Description
Panasonic SA-XR700 Operating Instructions

Once I set everything up, I'll be happy to post my impressions. I am replacing a Denon AVR-5800 because I wanted the ability to utilize the HDMI connections offered by this receiver. I also have a Tivo HR10-250 HD satellite receiver with HDMI, a Motorola DCT-6412 HD cable box with HDMI, an Oppo DV-970HD DVD player with HDMI, and a Mac Mini 1.66 CoreDuo HTPC with a DVI to HDMI connection. I will be routing the HDMI video through my DVDO VP20 (with ABT102 card) to my Samsung 1080p HL-S5087 TV. My front speakers are NHT VT-1.2 towers and they can/will be bi-wired; the center and rear channels are NHT VS-1.2 speakers. I have an older JBL GS10 sub that actually works quite well in this setup. No HD-DVD yet, although I am about to pull the trigger on the VE pre-order for the Toshiba A2. (I'm leaning toward HD-DVD instead of BR-DVD - somewhat ironic to me since Panasonic just released the Blu Ray player intended to mate with this receiver.)

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congrats on your new purchase!

Is there auto-setup? Room EQ?
OSD? if yes, thru which connection?
does it process (BM, time align, PLIIx) audio from the HDMI input? (easy test is play a stereo CD thru the HDMI)

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congrats on your new purchase!

Is there auto-setup? Room EQ?
OSD? if yes, thru which connection?
does it process (BM, time align, PLIIx) audio from the HDMI input? (easy test is play a stereo CD thru the HDMI)

Auto-setup - Yes
Room EQ - No
OSD - No ( - but I knew that when I purchased)

The manual suggests it will do bass management and time alignment from HDMI; not sure bout PLIIx. I plan to find out!

I should mention I only plan to use this in a 5.1 setup due to she-who-must-be-obeyed and her need to maintain a "proper room that doesn't look like a retail AV store"....
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be thankful she lets you use real speakers instead of those disappearing cubes from that B* company...!!


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Looking forward to your impressions mdobbins.
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Ive been very interested in one if i can get it for the right price, can u tell me who has it on sale, i have yet to find any one that actually has it in stock yet.

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Ive been very interested in one if i can get it for the right price, can u tell me who has it on sale, i have yet to find any one that actually has it in stock yet.

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I edited my original post with the price I paid and where to look for it.

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ok, if it drops below 500 I'm interested, and this certainly shows that promise, particularly as bd sales tank (I have been pro that format, but you can't argue with the market - sony was supposed to have 5,000,000 bds in peoples hands (ps3) by the end of 06 and now it looks like, at best, 500,000, and they might not hit 5,000,000 by eoy '07 - combine that with $400 hd-dvd players today and things are getting interesting.

If HD-dvd players street at $300 before sony sells 5 million ps3s then the battle will be pretty much over - why is that relevant here? Given that the xr700 is a nice but massively overpriced upgrade to the xr57, a price supported entirely as a BD marketing exercise, if BD tanks, we could start buying these for a much more reasonable premium over the xr57
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The manual suggests it will do base management and time alignment from HDMI

I'm very interested in the answer to this.
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Please, can this thread be about the XR700 receiver and not used as yet another battleground for BD vs HD DVD format war arguments and sniping.
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Please, can this thread be about the XR700 receiver and not used as yet another battleground for BD vs HD DVD format war arguments and sniping.

's ok for me

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Please, can this thread be about the XR700 receiver and not used as yet another battleground for BD vs HD DVD format war arguments and sniping.

geez - if it's about the xr700 then let's talk about how it's an insultingly overpriced marketing gimmick to get Blu-ray early adopters - this has been generally agreed ever since it was announced. My only point was, simply, if blu-ray falters then it is likely that the xr700 will drop in price to something that reflects it's status as a .5 generation upgrade to the xr57 (maybe a full generation to the xr70) since the blu-ray sales volume won't be moving enough receivers.

Heck, I'm looking for an upgrade to my xr45, and the 700 could be it for the right price - it'd be nice if panasonic was building for those of us who have stuck with their development of this new product line, and not for early adopters with more money then sense.

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geez - if it's about the xr700 then let's talk about how it's an insultingly overpriced marketing gimmick to get Blu-ray early adopters - this has been generally agreed ever since it was announced. My only point was, simply, if blu-ray falters then it is likely that the xr700 will drop in price to something that reflects it's status as a .5 generation upgrade to the xr57 (maybe a full generation to the xr70) since the blu-ray sales volume won't be moving enough receivers.

Heck, I'm looking for an upgrade to my xr45, and the 700 could be it for the right price - it'd be nice if panasonic was building for those of us who have stuck with their development of this new product line, and not for early adopters with more money then sense.

Fair enough.
I do agree that it is way overpriced for what it offers but would probably buy one if it was priced closer to the XR55/57/70.
Fwiw, I recently "upgraded" from an XR50 to an XR57 (to get HDMI input). I got the XR57 from local B&M store new for $255.
I would've got the XR700 if it had been priced more reasonably in the $300-400 range.
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So what exactly are the improvements of this unit over the xr57?

Hey Waldorf, where are you located and what B&M store did you purchase the '57 from?
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So what exactly are the improvements of this unit over the xr57?
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The specs in the manuals for the two players are virtually identical, with minor differences for weight and power consumption. The feature differences are that the XR700 includes XM Radio, auto speaker setup with microphone and two in/one out HDMI switching.

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No digital S/PDIF output/passthrough?!?!?! CRAP!!!!!! Even the Onkyos and the Pioneers and every other manufacturer offer this. It makes it useless to me because I use it to drive my wireless outboard Pioneer SE-DIR800C surround headphone decoder. For a $700 MSRP they could have at least offered that.

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No digital S/PDIF output/passthrough?!?!?! CRAP!!!!!! Even the Onkyos and the Pioneers and every other manufacturer offer this. It makes it useless to me because I use it to drive my wireless outboard Pioneer SE-DIR800C surround headphone decoder. For a $700 MSRP they could have at least offered that.

yeah, one of the reasons I stayed with my xr45, not sure why panny has dumped the opt-out but it's not on the 57 either. Seems they've stopped leaving room for it on their boards
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I have a Panny Plasma, and Panny DVD player, both with HDMI and HDAVI, so I am looking for a panny receiver with HDMI switching (so I can take advantage of panasonic's HDAVI feature).

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I will wait until Panny brings a receiver with HDMI 1.3 to market. I will be getting the Tosh XA2 with HDMI 1.3 so I might as well wait for Panny to release one with 1.3. I currently have the Panny XR55 which is great and a Panny 47x54 RPTV HD along with the Panny S77 DVD player.

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I just finished watching "The Great Raid" with the Panny DMP-BD10 connected to the Panny SA-XR700 by HDMI for video and audio. Sensational.

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How is the remote on the SA-CR700? Does it work well at controlling all of the components?
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How is the remote on the SA-CR700? Does it work well at controlling all of the components?

Actually, when using the BD10 player along with the XR700, I use the BD10 remote to control both. Works perfectly.

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How is the remote on the SA-CR700? Does it work well at controlling all of the components?

According to the manual its the same as the XR57 and you can only change the manuf. type for the TV, VCR and DVD Player functions. You are stuck with just Panasonic for the CD and DVD Recorder functions.
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The fundamental problem I have with the XR700 is that despite it having 6 digital inputs (2 HDMI, 2 optical, 2 coax), the hardwired configurations only allow you to specify 4 digital sources: two inputs will never be used. Seems like a waste on a digital amplfied receiver.
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Just found this thread!!! Got a question. I just got this receiver(still waiting for it) and I have the Panny BD player. My question is, when sending 5.1 pcm from a BD disc over HDMI, will the DolbyIIx process it to 7.1 in a 7.1 setup????

Also, what settings are you using on the BD player? Im assuming your sending DTS and DOLBY to the receiver via bitstream???
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Does this player take the new Dolby True HD and DTS MA via HDMI from the Panny BD10 and convert it to LPCM? If so, what is the difference in the DTS MA or Dolby True HD converted to LPCM? I thought it was identical.
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Does this player take the new Dolby True HD and DTS MA via HDMI from the Panny BD10 and convert it to LPCM? If so, what is the difference in the DTS MA or Dolby True HD converted to LPCM? I thought it was identical.

No. The player itself will decode it to PCM(whenever we get a firmware) and then send it via HDMI or Analog out to the receiver.
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Just found this thread!!! Got a question. I just got this receiver(still waiting for it) and I have the Panny BD player. My question is, when sending 5.1 pcm from a BD disc over HDMI, will the DolbyIIx process it to 7.1 in a 7.1 setup????

Also, what settings are you using on the BD player? Im assuming your sending DTS and DOLBY to the receiver via bitstream???

Answer to first question: yes!

Answer to second question. I just made sure that HDMI audio was active on the BD10. Then: enjoy!

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Is the receiver's bass mngmt, eq, delay, etc... functional with pcm over hdmi?
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Is the receiver's bass mngmt, eq, delay, etc... functional with pcm over hdmi?

Yes. Once the audio signal is delivered by HDMI, it is subject to the same processing as if the signal was received by any other input.

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