Originally Posted by sticknstones http://emotivalounge.proboards54.com...ay&thread=2757
Hello my fellow Emo Dweebes!
I have a 10+year old sub and now that I have all this power with my XPA-3 and have been doing more critical listening my sub is sounding too muddy!!!
It is a NHT sealed box design with a 10" driver and external 80W amp that mounts in the entertainment center.
I have been reading up on those that have a reputation for music and LFE for Movie.
It seems that the single driver mass market subs do well for movies but the single driver is not fast enough on music and the change dynamics are quick versus on movies where you have a more sustained time on say a bomb blast.
It seems the really reputable models out there and man there are dozens upon dozens are;
1) Genesis Servo Sub 4/8 $2800 two 8" drivers and other whizz bangs
2) Vandersteen 2wQ ($1200) Three 8" drivers and complicated to set-up as you attach off the main speaker post so it can synchronize to the amp driving your fronts. You give the Db of the speaker and rating on the amp..
3) Rel all they make are subs.
I usually try to figure things out a bit before lobbing a "I don't know anything question" so I went to Emo lounge to see what was being said on their Sub product development. They had an impressive GUI that would allow you to change all settings which makes my need to have an external amp not so necessary and this GUI looked impressive.QUESTION: "Does anyone know if Emotiva is going to go with Sealed box, single or multiple drivers per cabinett"?
I am hoping EMO comes in and knocks another one out of the park. The 3 above are too much coin for my tastes!
I am getting the bug on this stuff. I sure hope spring gets here soon so I can start sailing and stop reading this stuff all night!
Wow Sticks, that's quite the bug.
Anyway, per your sub question, I spent a lot of time figuring out subs last fall myself. And the short answer, as with everything audio, is "no consensus".
Some people feel sealed subs for music, ported for HT, but those seemed to be just old rules of thumb that were demolished with new advances. A lot of very nice, and expensive, ported subs can be had from ID companies. A great example is the SVS Ultra 13.
But with subs there are a lot of considerations: usage (in your case music), room size, budget, aesthetics to name the main offenders.
Ported subs are big, can be cheap (and ugly), need less power, generally have good "slam" BUT can also be musical.
Sealed subs need more powerm, are generally smaller, can be more "musical", but can also be more expensive.
Depending on room size the the SVS SB-12 is a VERY pretty sub, very musical, and reasonably priced.
The Velodyne DD series is articulate but also VERY expensive, and the JL Fathom series is more of the above.
Anyway, the general recommendation for guys like us (max performance for minimum price) is to go ID. Hsu, SVS, Elemental Designs (eD), AV123 to name just a few. I am familiar with the brands you mentioned but haven't heard them. All RELs were considered overpriced when I was last on the sub forum.
Last thing, I know you are having a great experience with Emo right now but I would recommend you stay away from their subs until the reviews come trickling in. They will probably be ok, maybe even great, but there are a LOT of great subs out there right now so there is no need to wait. And as an additional piece of info, although there are quite a few ID sub brand there are even fewer sub designers. In fact Hsu designs are sold by more than one reatiler. Just something to consider.