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The XPA amp Series are awesome value for their performance. The XPR amp Series are for headbangers.
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I recently added a Crown X1000 amp to my system. Bought it on a whim due to the recent Guitar Center sale at $99.

Not expecting much improvement over my older, but higher end Yamaha receiver, I was blown away by the difference. Sound was much more open and detailed. Detail galore.

Even at low volumes the sound seemed effortless.

I think the amp provided the current that the speakers always needed to sound their best.

For those that believe that "amps are amps", they are correct - if that is what they hear.

I found that even an inexpensive pro amp provided me with audible benefits far exceeding the cost.

The Crown X1000 is the best "bang for the buck" improvement I've made.

My speakers are old Polk 2.3 SDA/SRS speakers that I believe are nominally rated at 6 ohms. Owned them for years but just heard with for the 1st time with the addition of the amp.
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I recently added a Crown X1000 amp to my system. Bought it on a whim due to the recent Guitar Center sale at $99.

Not expecting much improvement over my older, but higher end Yamaha receiver, I was blown away by the difference. Sound was much more open and detailed. Detail galore.

Even at low volumes the sound seemed effortless.

I think the amp provided the current that the speakers always needed to sound their best.

For those that believe that "amps are amps", they are correct - if that is what they hear.

I found that even an inexpensive pro amp provided me with audible benefits far exceeding the cost.

The Crown X1000 is the best "bang for the buck" improvement I've made.

My speakers are old Polk 2.3 SDA/SRS speakers that I believe are nominally rated at 6 ohms. Owned them for years but just heard with for the 1st time with the addition of the amp.
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Emotiva XPA-2 - ALL caps leaking?

Hello,

As suggested, I am re posting here. Original post here: Emotiva XPA-2 - ALL caps leaking?

I've just opened the top of my XPA-2 and had a huge surprise: it seems like almost ALL of the caps are leaking from the bottom. Not just the main PSU caps, but smaller ones on PSU PCB and also on amp PCBs look suspicious. It seems like smaller caps are glued to the pcb, like a kind of silicone or rubber to the touch, although it is really just a thin layer. I really can't say if that is glue or leaked electrolyte.

Just a few of the mian PSU caps are a bit bulged on top, but no other that I can see without dismounting the whole thing. I really can't see how they are seated, since I have no view of their bottom.

Even jumpers seem "rusted"!!! Funny thing is, the 2 "rusted" jumpers are on each of the 2 amp PCBs and are in perfect symmetry to each other. Thought maybe originally they had some kind of insulation and got damaged during assembly, but it is unlikely.

This unit has never been exposed to any kind of excessive heat. It has been, however, under my integra DTR40.2 for about one yr, but there is over an inch between them, and XPA's case or top was never hot.

This XPA powers my pair pf Philharmonic 3's and sound is absolutely perfect. No difference or complain at all, high or low volume.

I bought this unit precisely 3 yrs ago, so it is still under warranty. However, I am far from USA right now, and shipping a package this size would cost a loooooot of money.

I work with electronics and I have never seen all caps bad like this, except during cap plague, which I believe is finished and on equipment exposed to excessive heat. What do you think, have you seen something like this before?

Do you agree they have leaked?? Could some of that be actually glue?

I want to hear your opinion before getting to Emotiva.
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I don't know if anyone here has reported or come across ( I have not ) a peculiar issue with my UMC 200. I have owned it since April 2013 and it has functioned perfectly until the last week or so when I noticed the volume level was dropping on all of the speakers while watching a movie with a 5.1 sound track, or an older film with mono whether using the center speaker or front left and right. The issue has also occurred when using either an Oppo bdp 93 with hdmi audio out. an Oppo bdp 95 using the analog 5.1 outputs and also two dvd players, one coaxial and the other using optical out. While the sound level drops, usually within 30 minutes, the two subs I am using ( svs cylinders ) remain at normal levels so they become rather prominent. When I turn up the volume past 50 to get any reasonable levels there is a breakup of the sound with distortion - not very pleasant! If I turn the unit off for a few minutes on standby it functions normally for a short time before it happens again. I tried resetting the umc 200 to the factory default and the problem still persists - It still has the original firmware as I could never get the update to load into my laptop so I gave up on that. I also tried to run the emo-q and it was fine for about ten minutes ( I had been watching part of a concert for 15 minutes or so ) when test tones started breaking up as they got louder- so same issue. I am wondering if Emotiva would send a new board I could install, I frankly do not really want to ship it there as I live in Canada. Also. would they frown on taking off the cover to check and possibly re seat the connectors on the board? I have heard of some doing this to some of their products, don't know if it applies to the umc 200 though. It seems a number of people have had various issues after a year or so from reading on various forums...
I bought the XMC-1 but still kept my UMC-200 because it sounded so good. That said, I did notice as well when I watched a bluray that I really did have to turn the volume up well beyond watching satellite or music. I never did an official inquiry and just dealt with the volume knob. I personally did not have any of the distortion incidents as you describe. The firmware upgrade was successful for me, but you might consider sending it in for the bench test and let them do the firmware upgrade. That processor is worth the shipping rate in my view. Since you are from Canada I would call and see what you might negotiate on Shipping.

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Hello,

As suggested, I am re posting here. Original post here: Emotiva XPA-2 - ALL caps leaking?

I've just opened the top of my XPA-2 and had a huge surprise: it seems like almost ALL of the caps are leaking from the bottom. Not just the main PSU caps, but smaller ones on PSU PCB and also on amp PCBs look suspicious. It seems like smaller caps are glued to the pcb, like a kind of silicone or rubber to the touch, although it is really just a thin layer. I really can't say if that is glue or leaked electrolyte.

Just a few of the mian PSU caps are a bit bulged on top, but no other that I can see without dismounting the whole thing. I really can't see how they are seated, since I have no view of their bottom.

Even jumpers seem "rusted"!!! Funny thing is, the 2 "rusted" jumpers are on each of the 2 amp PCBs and are in perfect symmetry to each other. Thought maybe originally they had some kind of insulation and got damaged during assembly, but it is unlikely.

This unit has never been exposed to any kind of excessive heat. It has been, however, under my integra DTR40.2 for about one yr, but there is over an inch between them, and XPA's case or top was never hot.

This XPA powers my pair pf Philharmonic 3's and sound is absolutely perfect. No difference or complain at all, high or low volume.

I bought this unit precisely 3 yrs ago, so it is still under warranty. However, I am far from USA right now, and shipping a package this size would cost a loooooot of money.

I work with electronics and I have never seen all caps bad like this, except during cap plague, which I believe is finished and on equipment exposed to excessive heat. What do you think, have you seen something like this before?

Do you agree they have leaked?? Could some of that be actually glue?

I want to hear your opinion before getting to Emotiva.
I have a pair of XPA-2's that I use to biwire my B&W 802's and have had them at least as long as you put I am only using our USA power source without incident. Not sure what power sources you have given you mention so far away and that would be my only observation that they cooked a bit. Very sorry to hear of the situation.

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Hello,

As suggested, I am re posting here. Original post here: Emotiva XPA-2 - ALL caps leaking?

I've just opened the top of my XPA-2 and had a huge surprise: it seems like almost ALL of the caps are leaking from the bottom. Not just the main PSU caps, but smaller ones on PSU PCB and also on amp PCBs look suspicious. It seems like smaller caps are glued to the pcb, like a kind of silicone or rubber to the touch, although it is really just a thin layer. I really can't say if that is glue or leaked electrolyte.

Just a few of the mian PSU caps are a bit bulged on top, but no other that I can see without dismounting the whole thing. I really can't see how they are seated, since I have no view of their bottom.

Even jumpers seem "rusted"!!! Funny thing is, the 2 "rusted" jumpers are on each of the 2 amp PCBs and are in perfect symmetry to each other. Thought maybe originally they had some kind of insulation and got damaged during assembly, but it is unlikely.

This unit has never been exposed to any kind of excessive heat. It has been, however, under my integra DTR40.2 for about one yr, but there is over an inch between them, and XPA's case or top was never hot.

This XPA powers my pair pf Philharmonic 3's and sound is absolutely perfect. No difference or complain at all, high or low volume.

I bought this unit precisely 3 yrs ago, so it is still under warranty. However, I am far from USA right now, and shipping a package this size would cost a loooooot of money.

I work with electronics and I have never seen all caps bad like this, except during cap plague, which I believe is finished and on equipment exposed to excessive heat. What do you think, have you seen something like this before?

Do you agree they have leaked?? Could some of that be actually glue?

I want to hear your opinion before getting to Emotiva.
Those are great pics - I’d send them to Emotiva and ask them if they believe this is normal for a carefully used, 3 year old amp. I think you are right to be concerned.
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I have a pair of XPA-2's that I use to biwire my B&W 802's and have had them at least as long as you put I am only using our USA power source without incident. Not sure what power sources you have given you mention so far away and that would be my only observation that they cooked a bit. Very sorry to hear of the situation.
All Emo amps have auto-voltage select, so his location shouldn't matter. I am in the UK where we have 240v mains and I expect my Emo amps to work properly with that.
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All Emo amps have auto-voltage select, so his location shouldn't matter. I am in the UK where we have 240v mains and I expect my Emo amps to work properly with that.
Guys, as advised again and giving a further thought, I believe it is better to keep this thread where it started, since this is a particular issue and it may be troublesome rolling pages and pages in order to follow up one single issue. Here:

Emotiva XPA-2 - ALL caps leaking?

I am sorry about the mess, folks!

I am posting thermal images of this thing right away and would thank your comments there.

I will definitely call Emotiva.

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I have a pair of XPA-2's that I use to biwire my B&W 802's and have had them at least as long as you put I am only using our USA power source without incident. Not sure what power sources you have given you mention so far away and that would be my only observation that they cooked a bit. Very sorry to hear of the situation.
I hav ebeen in Brazil all this period and the power grid here is surprisiingly good and well regulated. I am using one phase and a neutral, giving 127V. Stable, very few spikes if any, as I have measured. Sags only when it rains a lot. I believe it has nothign to do with mains.

It would, however, be really helpful if someone that owns a XPA2 about the same time I do (3 yrs) and is willing to check inside it, tell me if there is any kind of glue that looks like what is in the pics. Remember they have made some minor changes in XPA over last yrs.

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All Emo amps have auto-voltage select, so his location shouldn't matter. I am in the UK where we have 240v mains and I expect my Emo amps to work properly with that.
I checked the Emotiva site on the XPA-2 amplifier page and did not see any reports on capacitors. There were some humming posts was about it. My units are in a tight stacked cabinet on the bottom so I would be a major ordeal to pull them out. I think you have an isolated incident and would take advantage of your warranty and work something out on the shipping. Let us know!

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I just wonder if 127 volts is a little high for 120 volt electronics over the course of 2 or 3 years. That coupled with the Integra, also running a little high at 127 volts and sitting right on top of the XPA amp, I wonder if that could be an issue. It's just that so many of the caps are affected, different sizes and values, you'd think if there had been a bad batch of caps it would have made it onto the Emotiva forum or elsewhere.
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What happen to the entire Ultra series of amplifiers? Only UPA-200 is available. Where's UPA-500 and the rest? Is Emotiva doing a gen2 revision?
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What happen to the entire Ultra series of amplifiers? Only UPA-200 is available. Where's UPA-500 and the rest? Is Emotiva doing a gen2 revision?
Wow I just checked it out cause it was there yesterday. HMMMMM! good question I did just get the XPA-200 and what a difference I can hear it plus now I have 11.1surround on my yamaha 3030 and this amp doesn't even get hot and I have pushed it pretty good. Anyway hopefully the new v2's will be better Im addicted now thinking on another amp but haven't decided yet. Sorry for rambling on here. But good question need to know
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What happen to the entire Ultra series of amplifiers? Only UPA-200 is available. Where's UPA-500 and the rest? Is Emotiva doing a gen2 revision?
It was mentioned on the Emotiva forum that Emotiva is retiring the UPA amps. Apparently they announced this in the latest podcast. Emotiva has done this several times before, so it's not out of the norm for them. I had doubts that the little amps would be a long term part of their line up.
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Is emotiva eliminating the ultra line?

Or is a new line coming?

All i see on the site is the upa200?
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I am posting thermal images of this thing right away and would thank your comments there.

I will definitely call Emotiva.
Did you call them? What did they say?
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Did you call them? What did they say?
Well, I didn't call them, but sent them the images. Also made tests myself. It is not electrolyte. You may check the whole thing here, if you wish

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Well, I didn't call them, but sent them the images. Also made tests myself. It is not electrolyte. You may check the whole thing here, if you wish

Emotiva XPA-2 - ALL caps leaking?
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Why is it I see "Attached Thumbnails" but no thumbnails when I go to that thread?
I am not sure. If you go to first page, first post:

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They are there. I see them.

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XPA-3 arrives today!
I know you will love it. I,ve had mine for 1.5 years and love it with the Denon klipsch combo. It weighs a ton, so be ready when lifting it.
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