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post #181 of 17196 Old 03-13-2007, 10:00 AM
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Thanks EBee, after reading what Emotiva will be including in their next UL pre/pro (LMC-2)...

The LMC-2 will have 4x1 HDMI and is flash updatable via USB for data only, no music streaming, sorry. Output is 480p over HDMI for transcoded sources and OSD. It will have a quad bass manager with selectable crossover slopes. Auto room EQ is included. Full RS232 support is also included. All of the input memory functions everyone has asked for are supported. It also has a beautuful new two line alpha numeric VFD display.

I'm going to wait and buy the new LMC-2 with amp combo.

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EDIT: The addition of RS232 is very important to me.

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Just got off the phone with EMO...new DMC1 on its way!
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I sent an email to them, and didn't expect to hear back from them until tomorrow. HOLY COW I got a response in like 2 or 3 hours. And all I was asking was how long their 40% off deal was going to last . Hopefully they won't come out with the new -2 generation before I can get my hands on the -1 generation.
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This was posted by a member over on av123 who apparently got this response from Lonnie at Emotiva about the power specs on the LPA-1:

..."The true power spec on the LPA-1 is 125 x 5 into 8 ohms and 65 x 2 into 8 ohms all channels driven with a broad band frequency response of 10-50Khz. From 20 to 20 the frequency response and power output is for all practical purposes completely flat and the amp will deliver the rated power across the band. Now the actual frequency response of the unit is from 10-50Khz @ -1db, thus the power spec can be derived from that as well, but this would just tend to confuse most people. To make the testing go faster in production, the Audio Precisions are set up to run a frequency sweep to very the power response is flat and then it just does a 1K measurement

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I sent an email to them, and didn't expect to hear back from them until tomorrow. HOLY COW I got a response in like 2 or 3 hours. And all I was asking was how long their 40% off deal was going to last . Hopefully they won't come out with the new -2 generation before I can get my hands on the -1 generation.

And what did they say?
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I spent about 1/2 hour on the phone with Dan Laufman and ended up ordering the Reference Series package and it will be delivered this fri. amazing. He was very forthcoming about the new stuff coming in early 2008. By the way I went from the Parasound Halo stuff, which I disliked to a Denon 3805, which is good and now to Emotiva. Plus free shipping and 40% off the new stuff coming in 08.

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08? I was hoping the LMC-2 would be here by Cedia in September
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I spent about 1/2 hour on the phone with Dan Laufman and ended up ordering the Reference Series package and it will be delivered this fri. amazing. He was very forthcoming about the new stuff coming in early 2008. By the way I went from the Parasound Halo stuff, which I disliked to a Denon 3805, which is good and now to Emotiva. Plus free shipping and 40% off the new stuff coming in 08.

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Well do tell.. I am interested in the two channel gear. What did he have to say about it? What did he say about new products coming out?
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I sent an email to them, and didn't expect to hear back from them until tomorrow. HOLY COW I got a response in like 2 or 3 hours. And all I was asking was how long their 40% off deal was going to last . Hopefully they won't come out with the new -2 generation before I can get my hands on the -1 generation.


My experience was exactly the same. E-mailed support today at 11:30AM with a request for a few more specs not offered in the available LPA-1 online write-up and got a reply from Lonnie at 2:00PM. These guys are great.

In case anyone's interested I asked about the following:

Capacitance rating---and was told 75000uF secondary capacitance.

Dynamic Headroom--- and was told the Broad band frequency response is 10-50kHz with a Dynamic Headroom >3dB.

I went with an HK 635 as a preamp last year over the LMC-1 because of my need for EQ. It has served me well...but buying the Ultra processor or combo seems like an absolute no-brainer if it will put me in position to save 40% off a future Emotiva processor with EQ. Hope the product pans out as described.




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[quote=ClarkeBar]My experience was exactly the same. E-mailed support today at 11:30AM with a request for a few more specs not offered in the available LPA-1 online write-up and got a reply from Lonnie at 2:00PM. These guys are great.

In case anyone's interested I asked about the following:

Capacitance rating---and was told 75000uF secondary capacitance.

Dynamic Headroom--- and was told the Broad band frequency response is 10-50kHz with a Dynamic Headroom >3dB.[/QUOTE


Is that good?

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I asked about channel capacitance and was given the total. Perhaps the nature of the configurable power output in the overall design makes it difficult to allocate specific capacitance to each channel as in other amp designs. But 75000uF is respectable for this design and power rating.

The D. H. rating is certainly what I would desire in an amp of this power.

As a comparison, some wonderful but less powerful amps like the classic Parasound HCA855 have 68000uF capacitance with a 1kVa toroid transformer vs. 1.2kVa and 75000uF in the LPA-1 and are rated 85Wx5 / 8 ohm or 125Wx5 / 4 ohm vs. 125Wx5 / 8 ohm or 225Wx5 / 4 ohm. The 855 has D.H of >1.5dB vs >3dB for the LPA-1. I am specifically interested in these specs as my more powerful Chiro 3 channel amp is temporarily out of commission and both of these parameters are directly involved with HT performance which has been lacking in the frontstage since I put the 855 back in the setup.

It would make more sense for me personally to buy one of the more powerful Emotiva amps but then I would forego the future 40% discount which is a killer offer.




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This amp certainly sounds like a real bargin and is almost too good to pass up. I use a 5 speaker system currently powered by a Pioneer 1014tx receiver. If I go the LPA-1 route and 1014 as a pre-amp, would I benefit any by splitting up the duties, say front three thru the LPA-1 and surrounds thru 1014?
Or all 5 thru the amp

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In your situation as described I would go all channels with the LPA-1. Mixing amplification sometimes comes into play when you are expanding your system...or adding a zone...or when your speakers allow for bi-amping/wiring with dual posts. Some folks swear by it...others just chuckle. Up to you.

I use the five channels from the 855 to amp the front 3. FL-FR have dual posts, Ctr. doesn't. Can I perceive a difference? Being honest, not at the levels I usually listen. But I am a fan of juice...and when there is ample juice I am happy. My speakers make me so when I turn up the dial.

The Chiro C-300, by comparison to the 855, along with much greater power (higher than the LPA-1) has better bass control and delivers better high end detail. Also has a significantly larger capacitance (40000uF/channel) which helps make it a superb performer with HT. I really need to fix this stupid hum that's developed in it. Likely a bad capacitor.




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Thnx guys! I will be placing my order today!

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And what did they say?

Well I didn't ask about a specific release date, because I knew they couldn't/wouldn't tell me. Although as you can see someone else already was told early 08. They just said that as long as I buy the -1 model I qualify for the 40% off on the -2 or after models. So I am VERY happy, and looking forward to getting one when I finally finish my tour.
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It would make more sense for me personally to buy one of the more powerful Emotiva amps but then I would forego the future 40% discount which is a killer offer.

Clarkebar,
I reread the promo and it is for all current pre/pro's and amps. You just can't use the discount on current stuff. Buy anything today and get the next gen for 40% off. This is the killer deal and I am going to pull the trigger on the Ultra this week.

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Clarkebar,
I reread the promo and it is for all current pre/pro's and amps. You just can't use the discount on current stuff. Buy anything today and get the next gen for 40% off. This is the killer deal and I am going to pull the trigger on the Ultra this week.

Note: only Receivers and Pre/Pros qualify. When I order, I'm calling instead of web ordering so there's no confusion.

Here's the blurb from their website:
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Tired of being left in the dust??

Digital audio and video technology is rapidly changing. More and more features and improvements are being added to products at a break neck pace. New video standards, new decoding formats, etc. How do you protect your investment in an A/V processor? Do you have to throw away your hard earned money every couple of years and start all over again? It's getting as bad a buying a computer!

Emotiva has the answer!

We are offering a 40% discount program to all ORIGINAL owners of Emotiva A/V processors and receivers. As we develop new A/V processor and receiver products you will be eligible for a discount of 40% off of the purchase price of any new A/V processor or receiver product we release.

You can't use this with another promotion, or for switching between current models (LMC-1, MMC-1, DMC-1, DMR-1), but that's it. There is no time limit. There is no restriction on original cost; move up or down, we don't care!!

An example:

If you have an LMC-1 and two years from now you want our newest, state of the art, high end platform, just call us and provide proof of purchase and we'll sell you our latest and greatest for 40% off. No tricks and no gimmicks. Keep your old gear for another system in your house, sell it to a friend, stick in on Ebay, or give it to someone special! We want you around for a long, long time.

This is the Emotiva difference. I wonder if Dell will copy us?

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I emailed them asking for some information and they emailed me back with this, It is possible to order the chassis and amplifier modules separately for the MPS-1 but not for the IPS-1 or LPA-1. Now the chassis for the MPS-1 is 303.00 and the EPM-300 (200 watt mono-block amplifier module) is 199.00 each and the EPM-2150 (2x 100 stereo module) is 249.00 each. The only thing is you can not custom order the MPS-1 via the web site, you will need to call us directly. hope this clears some things up!
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I thought this was "AV Science," not "AV Voodoo and Witchcraft." Am I mistaken?

No, just confused and uninformed.

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Clarkebar,
I reread the promo and it is for all current pre/pro's and amps. You just can't use the discount on current stuff. Buy anything today and get the next gen for 40% off. This is the killer deal and I am going to pull the trigger on the Ultra this week.

I understand. Thanks for clarifying any confusion left unchecked. I was referring to my earlier internal question of whether to pop for the Ultra combo but worded the last part of that follow-up post imprecisely. I can see where folks could get the wrong idea if the previous posts are not read.

Yes, to get the future 40% discount on processors or receivers you have to buy a current processor/receiver even including the Ultra LMC-1 which makes this such a great deal. My big decision then would be whether to just go for the LMC-1 to qualify at a minimum or go for the combo since I am having some amp 'difficulties' as it is. Nothing major, as I described previously but enough to warrant a new amp consideration.

Am going to plug in the Casino Royale DVD tonight and give it a whirl. Will see if I still detect some insufficiency in the HCA855 compared to the old Chiro C-300...or see if it's all just my imagination.




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Given all the positive comments on the Ultra series, I'm looking to move towards separates soon...

Currently I have a Yamaha DSP-A1, and was considering the RX-V661 as an interim upgrade (primariliy for the 192/24 DACs and the other new features that the A1 is now missing). Also looking at the LMC-1 and the LPA-1 indivudually or in combo.

So here are the possible combinations:

1. RX-V661 as pre/pro with 5.1 out, 2 rear amps connected to rear speakers + DSP-A1 as an amp using the 5.1 pre-in functionality ($499)

2. LMC-1 as pre/pro 5.1 out + DSP-A1 5.1 pre-in ($499)

3. RX-V661 pre/pro 7.1 out + LPA-1 7.1 in ($998)

4. Current Ultra deal LMC-1/LPA-1 combo ($899)

My hesitation with the LMC-1 as a pre/pro is the lack of features compared to what the V661 offers for approx the same price. Also, will one gain any audible diffrences with just an LMC-1 connected to the A1 ? I'd like to keep that A1 alive as long I can...

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I emailed them asking for some information and they emailed me back with this, It is possible to order the chassis and amplifier modules separately for the MPS-1 but not for the IPS-1 or LPA-1. Now the chassis for the MPS-1 is 303.00 and the EPM-300 (200 watt mono-block amplifier module) is 199.00 each and the EPM-2150 (2x 100 stereo module) is 249.00 each. The only thing is you can not custom order the MPS-1 via the web site, you will need to call us directly. hope this clears some things up!

Umm.. I beleive that you have been informed of that multiple times, one being myself.

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Hello guys...I feel like I am in a vacuum!! I have written many mails to Emotiva about the purchase of an amp.....I have not heard from them.... what gives??? Should I call'em??
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Anderslober, thats strange, they reply to my emails within an hour or two. Pick up the phone and ask to speak to Lonnie or Dan (president), they will be more than happy to answer your quetions.
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Given all the positive comments on the Ultra series, I'm looking to move towards separates soon...

Currently I have a Yamaha DSP-A1, and was considering the RX-V661 as an interim upgrade (primariliy for the 192/24 DACs and the other new features that the A1 is now missing). Also looking at the LMC-1 and the LPA-1 indivudually or in combo.

So here are the possible combinations:

1. RX-V661 as pre/pro with 5.1 out, 2 rear amps connected to rear speakers + DSP-A1 as an amp using the 5.1 pre-in functionality ($499)

2. LMC-1 as pre/pro 5.1 out + DSP-A1 5.1 pre-in ($499)

3. RX-V661 pre/pro 7.1 out + LPA-1 7.1 in ($998)

4. Current Ultra deal LMC-1/LPA-1 combo ($899)

My hesitation with the LMC-1 as a pre/pro is the lack of features compared to what the V661 offers for approx the same price. Also, will one gain any audible diffrences with just an LMC-1 connected to the A1 ? I'd like to keep that A1 alive as long I can...

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The LMC1 will blow that Yammy right out of the water for SQ, maybe not as many options but if you are after SQ its the only choice IMO.
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Hello guys...I feel like I am in a vacuum!! I have written many mails to Emotiva about the purchase of an amp.....I have not heard from them.... what gives??? Should I call'em??

That does seem strange. As Chris pointed out they usually answer in a few hours. Perhaps you yped their address in wrong? I don't see why they wouldn't respond to someone wanting to purchase something. All I asked was about their 40% off the next generation deal, and they answered me in less than 2 hours time.
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A quick question from a relative newb to HT...

I'm thinking of springing for the LMC/LPA combo. I've heard/read all the downsides for the LMC (nothing but good on the LPA), but I'm not sure it matters for me. And quite frankly, I don't even understand what many of the problems are.

I'm taking my first foray into 5.1 in the next couple of months (we're about to move into a new place), and I'm not sure some of the problems with the LMC will even affect me.

My wife and I will be using the system at about a 75/25 split for Television-Movies/Music, though if I love the sound, that music percentage will rise considerably.

Inputs will include a PS3 and a TiVO S3, and a Sonos music system streaming lossless compression audio (not sure on whether it'll be Apple or FLAC). We're trying to simplify and have narrowed our input devices significantly. Speakers are NHT 3s in the front and center, and NHT Zeros for rear surrounds. Sub will likely be a Hsu VTF-2 MK 2 (if I can dig one up).

I own no DVD-A or SACD discs, though I may branch out to those at some time.

I'm coming from an old Pio/PSB 2.1 system that was okay, but far from great, and I'm ready to upgrade.

Ease-of-use is important to both myself and my wife. Quirks are acceptable, but if they are too prominent, one or both of us will not stay patient for long. I guess UI issues, and anything that's going to really make us have to tweak things before/after/during any HT experience is going to be a problem. But as I mentioned earlier, I need a translation from some of the more technical stuff to a fairly simple, 'Will it work well for my needs?"

Can any of you old pros see any reason why I won't love the LMC? I'm very close to pulling the trigger on it.

My other thought is to find a used Outlaw 990 to pair with the LPA, but given the going rate for those used, it'll definitely put me over my budget ceiling.

Thoughts are appreciated.

edit: Upon further inspection, my only concern is the lack of more digital audio inputs, given that all three of my input devices have them.
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The LMC1 will blow that Yammy right out of the water for SQ, maybe not as many options but if you are after SQ its the only choice IMO.
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Have you heard the Yamaha RX-V661 yet? Blind tested it vs. the LMC-1? Otherwise, your statement brings back the same issues we had earlier in this thread ...
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To the folks that have already recieved the Ultra combo, Did your package include any cabling? Did you have to purchase new RCA cabling to connect to the amp and if so can you recommend a good set of 7.1 RCA cables preferably in a bundle?
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To the folks that have already recieved the Ultra combo, Did your package include any cabling? Did you have to purchase new RCA cabling to connect to the amp and if so can you recommend a good set of 7.1 RCA cables preferably in a bundle?

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