Originally Posted by kbarnes701
You won't draw me into agreeing with your negative comments about Audyssey. XT32 is the best, affordable REQ system there is IMO. It is not perfect and enthusiasts can and do improve on XT32 calibrations all the time. This is not the appropriate thread to advise you on the choice of subwoofers.
The best, affordable automated
REQ there is, you mean
. For this audience, I would go so far as to say that given the current state of the consumer A/V market in 2014, the presence/absence of Audyssey XT32 is a make or break feature for considering a pre/pro or AVR, due to the full range correction applied to all channels and the filter resolution. Practically speaking, that limits you to D&M offerings today if you want an AIO solution in your processor. I'll skip the rehash of competitive REQ and their shortcomings, which can be found elsewhere (often in your words, Keith). But as a single critical - albeit not the exclusive for all users and configurations - component for REQ, XT32 is the best there currently is within the mainstream consumer A/V market to date.
However, where we disagree is where I would define affordable....if you think of REQ as being a centerpiece of your system, and a long-term value like a car purchase that will supercede other components in your system for life expectancy, as well as your a long-term learning experience to hone your skills for parameter usage and target curve formulation, affordable may take one into the five figures and change the rules....
On the other end of the spectrum are MiniDSP's NanoAVR and 10x10 HD, which offer flexibility with selectable filter parameters, and semi-automation with REW's Auto EQ as the driving force. However, there's a limit as to the number of filters you can use for correction, and you would need analog pre-out as input, meaning separates (or in the case of the NanoAVR, a component such as an Oppo 103 as your HDMI-based input). Plus with the advent of 3D audio, these are limited to 7.1 configurations, and hence may be obsolete for many users in the near future. That's not so true for D&M A/V with Audyssey, or for a Trinnov or Datasat with expandable channel capability.
There's also Dirac RCS, which is a multichannel, mixed phase solution that is PC-only in the "affordable" as well as "available" camp, but there hasn't been conclusive data to suggest that its ability to provide frequency response correction matches Audyssey's.