Originally Posted by o CUBBY o
So, i thought I'd check in to share my findings. I started by toeing in my speakers facing directly at the MLP and ran Audyssey once again. Unfortunately this did not cut the over-boosted highs. In fact I could swear it made it worse. It also boosted my surrounds to a ridiculous level. Back to the drawing board.
Next I put on a record and slowly moved the fronts back and forth until the vocals actually sounded like they were coming from the center speaker. I read somewhere on some thread this is a good way to go about it...not sure if it's correct, but I'll try anything at this point. It ended up being around a 2" toe in. I also think at this point my wife just wants me to be satisfied with the sound so I'll stop running Audyssey. I reran Audyssey following the same configuration, but this time going in a different order (first position of corse being the MLP). Another recommendation for something that worked for someone on some thread. Low and behold, I got some warmth back. Still not perfect, but I believe the speakers are to blame at this point. I'm content now, but of corse I'd always like to improve. Which leads me to another questions that's been rollin' around in my brain...
Before I purchased the Marantz SR7007 (XT) I discovered with my Denon 1910 (MultEQ) that reversing the phase on the sub resulted in better/more bass. I was wondering with that finding would it be better to run Audyssey with the subs phase reversed with the Marantz? Would it make a difference, or does XT's sub EQ make up for it?
I am glad you came back with an update. I was curious whether adjusting your speakers would help. It always surprises me that an adjustment of a couple of inches can make a real difference, but it did in my system too. The technique you used to determine proper toe-in angle is an oldie but goodie for determining a phantom center: set system to stereo; play a mono recording (a vocal track works best for me); when the voice seems to come from the exact center, the toe-in is correct.
I laughed at your statement that your wife just wants you to be happy so you will quit running Audyssey. See, you wore her down. I assume you are using DEQ, much discussed in the last few pages, and that should help with perceived brightness, as well. But if you are turning it off for music, you can also experiment with your tone controls. I don't use DEQ for music, but I prefer Audyssey Flat, and I do then like to roll-off a couple of decibels using the treble control in my Marantz. Just something else to experiment with.
I am not quite sure what you would be hoping to achieve by reversing the phase in your sub. As far as I know the recommended phase setting found in the FAQ is the proper way to go. On the other hand, there are some posters who are far more knowledgeable than I regarding all aspects of sub troubleshooting, so if you want to give a little more detail about what you are hoping to accomplish, you can probably get some excellent advice. If you have already done a sub crawl to optimize placement, you can certainly still increase the sub trim using the Audio section of your AVR. Some people have also achieved a better crossover splice by manipulating the sub's distance setting, although I understand that is pretty tricky without proper measuring equipment. It would probably be a little hit or miss, but you could perhaps try that just by listening to a bass heavy track while you change the distance in small increments. Or better, probably just leave it where Audyssey set it.
Frankly, more and better bass for most of us probably means: a better sub; better sub placement; a second sub; bass traps; XT-32, or equivalent; all of the above. But if you need to work with what you have right now, you can certainly experiment. It is ironic isn't it? As soon as we improve some aspect of our systems, we immediately start looking for the next thing to "improve". No, AV isn't some sort of an addiction. Not at all!