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You didn't say which Klipsch center so I just went with the first one I came across. I think the rubber half moons are intended to be used to fill the holes if you don't use the tilt rod, otherwise you use the threaded holes for the tilt rod. Check page 3 paragraph center channel speakers that refers to figure 4 in the pdf. Here's the pdf. http://images.klipsch.com/Reference2...6138280000.pdf

If your didn't come with anything other than the speaker and the rubber half moons, then somebody shorted you the tilt assembly.
It's the klipsch 62.2. There are no holes though except for two just off center staggered either side of center with grooves
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You didn't say which Klipsch center so I just went with the first one I came across. I think the rubber half moons are intended to be used to fill the holes if you don't use the tilt rod, otherwise you use the threaded holes for the tilt rod. Check page 3 paragraph center channel speakers that refers to figure 4 in the pdf. Here's the pdf. http://images.klipsch.com/Reference2...6138280000.pdf

If your didn't come with anything other than the speaker and the rubber half moons, then somebody shorted you the tilt assembly.
I'm trying to figure out what it might look like to see if the gf put it somewhere around here. I can't find it on Google. Maybe I'll just have her lay down and use her as the tilt rod
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I'm trying to figure out what it might look like to see if the gf put it somewhere around here. I can't find it on Google. Maybe I'll just have her lay down and use her as the tit rod

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I am glad that I am not the only one that have used a protractor (and strings, in my case) to measure the location and placement of the surround speakers , lol...
So, how does it sound?
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And do you have a vise to clamp your head in while watching a movie?
Of course not , but in order to take maximum advantage of my limited options on the ceiling space (because , as you know, my surrounds and back surrounds are too placed on the ceiling) I needed to find the best max distance between heights and surrounds so I would be able to differentiate the output of each set of speakers against the other ... at least, that was the intention .
I also had to include the position of the Wides with relation to the overhead heights placement on the ceiling , even thou they are at 3.5 feet from the floor .
I spend a few days on thinking and on doing measurements , so it wasn`t easy and besides all of that , I wanted it to look right too for the wife approval angle , so, it wasn`t easy at all .
But it worked .
Now , on music , which in contrast to movies where the surround sound is more sporadic , I can enjoy the distinct difference in between dolby surround and DTSNeo :X music formats .
On DSU format , the surround sound is more centered at front and from the top of my seating position to the back and down because the top middle speakers are working ... separately from the sound of the surrounds behind me .
With the DTS Neo :X music format instead , the surround sound is extensively spread out at front to the sides because of the Wides . The front heights overhead are also clearly distinct (the top middles are silenced) so the surround sound is extended to the sides of the room at front and from the top front down with the surrounds and back surrounds filling up the back . It is just a matter of taste and types of music to go with one or the other format , but both formats are absolutely fantastic .
As an example , Patricia Barber sounds better on DTSNeo:X Music , in my humble opinion .
I am pleased with the system I put in place . I have obtained what I wanted . Even thou Atmos is perhaps not technically correct on the speakers location because of the above surrounds placement , the sound of the atmos movie was incredible .
The other movies that I have tried (since the last two weeks when the 7200 arrived) were DTS HD master Audio and on the A-DSX format the sound is also incredible ... I am completely satisfied with the performance of my 7200W and well worth its cost .
If I were to compare the surround performance between my old 5803 and the 7200 , in reality , there is no comparison at all . It is like comparing a domestic Siamese cat to a Bengala Tiger . The surround formats on the 7200W are so advanced that there is no comparison , so every time I power it up I am thrilled .
Do I need to clamp my head ? the answer is , happy to say it , no .
Last movie I rented yesterday was FURY ... what can I say ... I am still thinking about the sound on that movie ... the tank battle was unbelievably real

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So, how does it sound?
Well, to tell the truth , the 7200W has surpassed my expectations . I had no idea that regular PCM could sound like that . I am a hardcore stereo guy , but the surround on this receiver is really amazing . Fabulous equipment and not a single issue with it .
I have tweaked Audyssey a little bit on crossovers , but just very little .
On movies ... well , it has jumped me to present performance standards so I made a correct decision on buying this thing .
Now , to wait for DTS;X upgrade (hopefully) and HDCP2.2 later on ... all is well .

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Of course not , but in order to take maximum advantage of my limited options on the ceiling space (because , as you know, my surrounds and back surrounds are too placed on the ceiling) I needed to find the best max distance between heights and surrounds so I would be able to differentiate the output of each set of speakers against the other ... at least, that was the intention .
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I spend a few days on thinking and on doing measurements , so it wasn`t easy and besides all of that , I wanted it to look right too for the wife approval angle , so, it wasn`t easy at all .
But it worked .
Now , on music , which in contrast to movies where the surround sound is more sporadic , I can enjoy the distinct difference in between dolby surround and DTSNeo :X music formats .
On DSU format , the surround sound is more centered at front and from the top of my seating position to the back and down because the top middle speakers are working ... separately from the sound of the surrounds behind me .
With the DTS Neo :X music format instead , the surround sound is extensively spread out at front to the sides because of the Wides . The front heights overhead are also clearly distinct (the top middles are silenced) so the surround sound is extended to the sides of the room at front and from the top front down with the surrounds and back surrounds filling up the back . It is just a matter of taste and types of music to go with one or the other format , but both formats are absolutely fantastic .
As an example , Patricia Barber sounds better on DTSNeo:X Music , in my humble opinion .
I am pleased with the system I put in place . I have obtained what I wanted . Even thou Atmos is perhaps not technically correct on the speakers location because of the above surrounds placement , the sound of the atmos movie was incredible .
The other movies that I have tried (since the last two weeks when the 7200 arrived) were DTS HD master Audio and on the A-DSX format the sound is also incredible ... I am completely satisfied with the performance of my 7200W and well worth its cost .
If I were to compare the surround performance between my old 5803 and the 7200 , in reality , there is no comparison at all . It is like comparing a domestic Siamese cat to a Bengala Tiger . The surround formats on the 7200W are so advanced that there is no comparison , so every time I power it up I am thrilled .
Do I need to clamp my head ? the answer is , happy to say it , no .
Last movie I rented yesterday was FURY ... what can I say ... I am still thinking about the sound on that movie ... the tank battle was unbelievably real
I was only joking with you. But thanks for the long response. I am glad that you are enjoying it all so much - makes all the expense and time and effort well worthwhile, I agree.
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And do you have a vise to clamp your head in while watching a movie?
That, is a very good overall consideration.
...From it we can almost deduct the utmost importance of Audyssey's graphs with the help of REW when mic measurement is taken @ the critical MLP.
But that's why Audyssey MultEQ Pro can take up to 32 microphone measurements @ them respective locations.
That is a lot of graphs to show.
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Of course not , but in order to take maximum advantage of my limited options on the ceiling space (because , as you know, my surrounds and back surrounds are too placed on the ceiling) I needed to find the best max distance between heights and surrounds so I would be able to differentiate the output of each set of speakers against the other ... at least, that was the intention .
I also had to include the position of the Wides with relation to the overhead heights placement on the ceiling , even thou they are at 3.5 feet from the floor .
I spend a few days on thinking and on doing measurements , so it wasn`t easy and besides all of that , I wanted it to look right too for the wife approval angle , so, it wasn`t easy at all .
But it worked .
Now , on music , which in contrast to movies where the surround sound is more sporadic , I can enjoy the distinct difference in between dolby surround and DTSNeo :X music formats .
On DSU format , the surround sound is more centered at front and from the top of my seating position to the back and down because the top middle speakers are working ... separately from the sound of the surrounds behind me .
With the DTS Neo :X music format instead , the surround sound is extensively spread out at front to the sides because of the Wides . The front heights overhead are also clearly distinct (the top middles are silenced) so the surround sound is extended to the sides of the room at front and from the top front down with the surrounds and back surrounds filling up the back . It is just a matter of taste and types of music to go with one or the other format , but both formats are absolutely fantastic .
As an example , Patricia Barber sounds better on DTSNeo:X Music , in my humble opinion .
I am pleased with the system I put in place . I have obtained what I wanted . Even thou Atmos is perhaps not technically correct on the speakers location because of the above surrounds placement , the sound of the atmos movie was incredible .
The other movies that I have tried (since the last two weeks when the 7200 arrived) were DTS HD master Audio and on the A-DSX format the sound is also incredible ... I am completely satisfied with the performance of my 7200W and well worth its cost .
If I were to compare the surround performance between my old 5803 and the 7200 , in reality , there is no comparison at all . It is like comparing a domestic Siamese cat to a Bengala Tiger . The surround formats on the 7200W are so advanced that there is no comparison , so every time I power it up I am thrilled .
Do I need to clamp my head ? the answer is , happy to say it , no .
Last movie I rented yesterday was FURY ... what can I say ... I am still thinking about the sound on that movie ... the tank battle was unbelievably real
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Well, to tell the truth , the 7200W has surpassed my expectations . I had no idea that regular PCM could sound like that . I am a hardcore stereo guy , but the surround on this receiver is really amazing . Fabulous equipment and not a single issue with it .
I have tweaked Audyssey a little bit on crossovers , but just very little .
On movies ... well , it has jumped me to present performance standards so I made a correct decision on buying this thing .
Now , to wait for DTS;X upgrade (hopefully) and HDCP2.2 later on ... all is well .
Loved, immensely, reading your two above posts.
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I have a question, I have a Paradigm signature sub with a Bass contour nob that if it's turned up gives a 6db while watching movies, it should be left at 0 for music. If I Turn this nob do I have to re-run Audyssey, which I don't think I do. Or am I mistaken???

From my sub manual -Adjusts the contour of the bass frequency response, from flat (0.0 dB),
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I have a question, I have a Paradigm signature sub with a Bass contour nob that if it's turned up gives a 6db while watching movies, it should be left at 0 for music. If I Turn this nob do I have to re-run Audyssey, which I don't think I do. Or am I mistaken???

From my sub manual -Adjusts the contour of the bass frequency response, from flat (0.0 dB),
which provides the most accurate bass for music, up to a +6.0 dB boost
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No need to re-run Audyssey, as you are basically adding a "preference bump" on top of the "flat" calibration. If you were to recalibrate Audyssey with the boost in place, Audyssey would expend resouces trying to knock down the bump and restore a "flat" bass profile.

So calibrating with the sub in the "flat" mode is correct, and then you can layer on additional boost for movie impact if you prefer it.
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No need to re-run Audyssey, as you are basically adding a "preference bump" on top of the "flat" calibration. If you were to recalibrate Audyssey with the boost in place, Audyssey would expend resouces trying to knock down the bump and restore a "flat" bass profile.

So calibrating with the sub in the "flat" mode is correct, and then you can layer on additional boost for movie impact if you prefer it.
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If I accidentally move my phase nob from 180 degrees to 0 and I move it right back to 180 realizing my mistake, I won't have to re run Audessey again will I ??
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If I accidentally move my phase nob from 180 degrees to 0 and I move it right back to 180 realizing my mistake, I won't have to re run Audessey again will I ??

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Finally received my new tripod yesterday and wow, what a difference it made from earlier in the week. Watching scenes from Prometheus and Oblivion and it sounds great. I also bought a radio shack SPL meter, should I use it to check speaker levels and then rerun Audyssey? New specs below, anything jump out at you? Is Dynamic EQ suppose to be off?

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Finally received my new tripod yesterday and wow, what a difference it made from earlier in the week. Watching scenes from Prometheus and Oblivion and it sounds great. I also bought a radio shack SPL meter, should I use it to check speaker levels and then rerun Audyssey? New specs below, anything jump out at you? Is Dynamic EQ suppose to be off?
The initial microphone position might have been slightly off center, judging from the slight difference in distances to the front speakers. However, getting them precisely the same probably won't make a noticeable difference.

Dynamic EQ is intended to equalize the tonal relationships in movie soundtracks when you play at soundlevels below reference. Our hearing becomes less sensitive at the frequency extremes, so when you turn down the volume below 80 (or 0) , it boosts the bass and (to a lesser extent) the treble to try to compensate. Whether or not you use it is a personal preference. Most people do prefer to leave it on.

If you haven't already, you should take a look at the Audyssey FAQ. It discusses this and other questions that people often have.

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Thanks Selden. Distances are fairly accurate, difficult to get the tripod to sit correctly on the couch and center is a little in front of the two fronts.

What about dialog level, should it be -5.5?


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Leave the speaker levels where they were set by Audyssey...unless you have external test tones.

Basically, after running Audyssey you don't want to use the internal test tones because they bypass the Audyssey EQ filters. The speaker levels will vary (sometimes greatly) when the filters are on. That is why you only want to set speaker trims post-Audyssey with an external source.

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Leave the speaker levels where they were set by Audyssey...unless you have external test tones.

Basically, after running Audyssey you don't want to use the internal test tones because they bypass the Audyssey EQ filters. The speaker levels will vary (sometimes greatly) when the filters are on. That is why you only want to set speaker trims post-Audyssey with an external source.

I prefer DynEQ on...others don't. Read up and decide for yourself.

Thanks...I was just about to run tones but will leave them where they are.

I've been reading the Audyssey info page, lots of great info!


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Thanks Selden. Distances are fairly accurate, difficult to get the tripod to sit correctly on the couch and center is a little in front of the two fronts.

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You should only need to change the dialog level if you're having problems understanding what characters are saying. Most receivers have a separate adjustment for Dialog, which actually adjusts the relative level of the center speaker channel. If yours doesn't have that, then adjusting the center channel's trim might be a reasonable alternative.
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You should only need to change the dialog level if you're having problems understanding what characters are saying. Most receivers have a separate adjustment for Dialog, which actually adjusts the relative level of the center speaker channel. If yours doesn't have that, then adjusting the center channel's trim might be a reasonable alternative.
stupid question but the diologue level and center channel levels are different?

And what does turning on the TONE level due with audysee. I tried this yesterday raising the treble up to +6 and it made everything crisper but seemed to drain out the dialogue a bit
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Not a stupid question at all because it's confusingly labeled. They are actually the exact same thing -- the dialogue level just gives you a "shortcut" to the center channel volume. It's not obvious from the way it's described.

Tone controls are just like any other device with bass/treble controls or knobs or sliders. It boosts/cuts either the lows or highs respectively. Not really anything to do with Audyssey per se.
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Not a stupid question at all because it's confusingly labeled. They are actually the exact same thing -- the dialogue level just gives you a "shortcut" to the center channel volume. It's not obvious from the way it's described.

Tone controls are just like any other device with bass/treble controls or knobs or sliders. It boosts/cuts either the lows or highs respectively. Not really anything to do with Audyssey per se.
But it doesn't override or negate the audeseey settings right? It's just enhances them? So say my sub trim is -3.5 now which for normal tv setting seems low, but for blu ray content and gaming is good, adding a + 2 via tone would up my sub level to -1.5? I like real detailed sound with a hint of smoothness. I am trying to tweak my sound to add more bass and smoothness without sacrificing the fronts detail. I guess when more bass is added it naturally smooths out the detail if that makes sense. I try and have my gf listen to changes I make but she just gets annoyed and says everything sounds good/the same lol, which I know it doesn't. It sounds good but I am trying to perfect the sound and that is uber difficult
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I like the Dyn EQ for some content but I find for normal tv watching, while it boosts the surrounds and bass, the fronts loose a little detail, in actuality I know they don;t but its my ears playing tricks because the low frequency is enhanced. Than without dyn volume on to boost the dialogue in conjunction with the boost from dyn EQ, the dialogue gets a little quiter. Than it changes for all types of content. Listening to internet radio I find DE on with -10 and multi channel is amazing, however listening to the cable radio stations is better using normal settings. The changes are subtle, but enough to be noticed therefor making you fiddle around more to perfect a sound from a source, than every channel is broadcast differently and same with every source content, For gaming leaving off DE makes the fronts and center POP amazingly, however the surround detail suffers. It is quite the process to find the right settings for all content. Maddening really, lol


I have to say, it would be pretty revolutionary and I call shotgun on this concept now, if somehow there was a program built in to a receiver for each source and content that knew the perfect type of sound you liked ( smooth, more bass, more treble ect) and automatically adjusted content for you to appease your " personal flavor" of sound. I know you can save settings for each content but even still I find I am constantly adding and removing features within audyseey.

Is there a proper ration when using the TONE feature to enhance the sound, equal amounts treble to bass, or personal preference. I like the pop from +6 treble, should I match it with +6 bass

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Dynamic EQ makes its adjustments on the assumption of cinema reference standards. But with most content (even much film content given how many "remixed for home" movies there are) these assumptions are wrong, and DEQ ends up overboosting the bass and especially the surrounds.

That's why there is a "Reference Level Offset" parameter. By adjusting the offset to 10 or 15db you should be able to enjoy DEQ with TV programming without the surrounds overwhelming the dialogue.
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So say my sub trim is -3.5 now which for normal tv setting seems low, but for blu ray content and gaming is good
Here's what I do...not by-the-book, but it works for me:

For normal TV having low bass; bump up the input gain on that source by 5db, this essentially fools DynEQ into thinking you are further away from reference than you are, therefore providing more boost to the bass/surrounds.

Of course, this causes the surrounds to become way over-boosted. I think that with DynEQ on, the surrounds are pretty much always over-boosted anyways, so I turn them all down by ~6-8db and I find this is a good balance for TV, music and bluray. I leave the RLO at "0" for all sources after this.

However, I never listen higher than -10MV so if you do, YMMV.


Basically, I get the bass to sound "right" with bluray and then adjust input gain on the other sources until they sound "right" to me.

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So say my sub trim is -3.5 now which for normal tv setting seems low, but for blu ray content and gaming is good
Here's what I do...not by-the-book, but it works for me:

For normal TV having low bass; bump up the input gain on that source by 5db, this essentially fools DynEQ into thinking you are further away from reference than you are, therefore providing more boost to the bass/surrounds.

Of course, this causes the surrounds to become way over-boosted. I think that with DynEQ on, the surrounds are pretty much always over-boosted anyways, so I turn them all down by ~6-8db and I find this is a good balance for TV, music and bluray. I leave the RLO at "0" for all sources after this.

However, I never listen higher than -10MV so if you do, YMMV.


Basically, I get the bass to sound "right" with bluray and then adjust input gain on the other sources until they sound "right" to me.

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You should only need to change the dialog level if you're having problems understanding what characters are saying. Most receivers have a separate adjustment for Dialog, which actually adjusts the relative level of the center speaker channel. If yours doesn't have that, then adjusting the center channel's trim might be a reasonable alternative.

Audyssey set my dialogue level to -5.5, if I move it to -3, it will boost dialogue in the center channel? Also, I've decided to turn Dynamic EQ off, we'll see how I like it.


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Audyssey set my dialogue level to -5.5, if I move it to -3, it will boost dialogue in the center channel?
As I noted above -- the dialogue level IS the center channel level. Exact same thing, just the setting in the Audio menu gives you a "shortcut" to the channel level without having to go into the speaker setup menus and run the test tones.

So it doesn't just boost the dialogue, it boosts EVERYTHING that the center channel reproduces.

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