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My MLP places my ears at about 36" from the floor. Yes, that's the adapter I bought, and I have the same issue with it as Soulburner does: If the mic stand is at its lowest possible placement (which requires keeping all of the legs flattened to the floor, or close to it), then a low seating position at the MLP means that the end of the boom with the adapter is lower than the top of the mic stand--and the tip of the Audyssey mic is not pointing strauight up any more. Maybe there is some kind of shorter boom mic stand than the one in the FAQ that is reasonably priced...that would solve the problem.

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My MLP places my ears at about 36" from the floor. Yes, that's the adapter I bought, and I have the same issue with it as Soulburner does: If the mic stand is at its lowest possible placement (which requires keeping all of the legs flattened to the floor, or close to it), then a low seating position at the MLP means that the end of the boom with the adapter is lower than the top of the mic stand--and the tip of the Audyssey mic is not pointing strauight up any more. Maybe there is some kind of shorter boom mic stand than the one in the FAQ that is reasonably priced...that would solve the problem.
I use something like this. Works just fine for angling down the boom arm and then being able to angle the Audyssey mic up.


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I use something like this. Works just fine for angling down the boom arm and then being able to angle the Audyssey mic up.

I'll check this out, but do you happen to have a link to the actual amazon page? This is just the picture of the item--I don't even know what to call it in order to search for it.

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I'm going to get one at Radio Shack. At least their website says they have it. Thanks for the tip!
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I have the same problem with the lower price boom mic stand and adapter recommended in the FAQ for this forum. An additional problem is that the knob tightening the boom is ineffective at keeping the boom in place. I have been able to make this equipment work, but it hasn't been easy. Still, it beats using a camea tripod (for ease).
I agree that the less expensive boom mic stands are not that sturdy. I have run so many calibrations that I have stripped the thumb screw on the Pro mic stand, and rendered a cheap boom mic stand almost unusable. I recently went to Guitar Center and selected a more sturdy (and more expensive) mic stand because I became weary of fighting the cheap one.
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I'll check this out, but do you happen to have a link to the actual amazon page? This is just the picture of the item--I don't even know what to call it in order to search for it.
http://www.amazon.com/Guardian-Cases...words=mic+clip



You can search for "mic clip" and find a bunch of options other than that one.

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Reading another thread today, someone suggested that :

1) placing a soft blanket over a leather couch might help with reflection issues while running Audyssey, and / or

2) removing the couch while running Audyssey would yield better results than having the couch present during the measurement process.

Any thoughts or opinions on these ideas?

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If the blanket won't be there during listening, don't put it there during Audyssey

In the same vein, don't move your seat if that's where it's going to be.
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OK i'm running into a strange issue: I just re-ran audyssey on my denon 3310 and I used to set audyssey to 'flat' if the calibration sounded muffled (it usually does afterward and no matter how many times i do it the results rarely change) but now afterwards when I go to set it to flat there is no option to change it, it just says 'off', and now a 'tone' option has popped up underneath. Audyssey has *ALWAYS* been enabled by default after calibration, I have no idea why it has set itself to off.

Also after calibration, when i set the speakers to small, it automatically assumes i have a sub and sets it to yes, and i have no sub. If i set the speakers to large, the sub reverts back to no. I dont remember this happening before either.

Any insight to either of these issues would be greatly appreciated!
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A speaker setting of Small indicates you wish to use bass management and crossover to a subwoofer. Large will not use a sub unless you have a Main+LFE setting.

Flat should only be used if you're sitting very close to the speakers or are in a treated room and are getting mostly direct, rather than reflected sound.

If you are sitting in a reverberant field (most homes), the Audyssey setting with the rolloff is usually preferred. Of course user preferences also come into play.

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A speaker setting of Small indicates you wish to use bass management and crossover to a subwoofer. Large will not use a sub unless you have a Main+LFE setting.

Flat should only be used if you're sitting very close to the speakers or are in a treated room and are getting mostly direct, rather than reflected sound.

If you are sitting in a reverberant field (most homes), the Audyssey setting with the rolloff is usually preferred. Of course user preferences also come into play.
I was using flat to alleviate the treble issue, that was recommended the last time I posted in this thread many months ago. Along with the blanket suggestion . The problem is is that audyssey is not engaged and wont turn on regardless of whether I want to run the flat setting or not. It says off and I cant get it to turn on at all, it says its not being used also. I cant imagine what could be the issue unless my receiver is all of a sudden malfunctioning, would be pretty disastrous.

I guess I forgot to add that this is audyssey dynamic EQ that will not engage.

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If the blanket won't be there during listening, don't put it there during Audyssey

In the same vein, don't move your seat if that's where it's going to be.
That ^

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* And speaking of mic stand with boom; it's true that a cheap one won't last (I know so from experience), but if it is only for few Audyssey measurements, that's ok then (and you can always replace the adjusting screw and washer holding the mic boom to the main stand).

As for the top adapter; true you want the most flexible one. Google adapter mics. Look for one with the standard 5/8" hole base with the 1/4" screw top for the Audyssey pyramid base mic.
Another trick, but not perfect is one of those mini octopus type tripod for cameras. With the three legs that you can bend easily and affix to almost anything, like a grip around tubing poles with a regular plastic mic holder. Some of them are better than others, but they cost generally more too.

Google Mic Adaptors; you'll find exactly the one you're looking for (just make sure it has the right 1/4" thread screw for the Audyssey mic).

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Is DynamicEQ disabled in certain sound modes? That may be what's happening.
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I was using flat to alleviate the treble issue, that was recommended the last time I posted in this thread many months ago. Along with the blanket suggestion . The problem is is that audyssey is not engaged and wont turn on regardless of whether I want to run the flat setting or not. It says off and I cant get it to turn on at all, it says its not being used also. I cant imagine what could be the issue unless my receiver is all of a sudden malfunctioning, would be pretty disastrous.

I guess I forgot to add that this is audyssey dynamic EQ that will not engage.

You need to re-run the Audyssey calibration.

When you told the receiver that you wanted the front speakers to be Small (which requires a subwoofer) that addition of a subwoofer invalidated your previous Audyssey calibration. That lack of a calibration also prevents DynEQ from being enabled. If you don't have a subwoofer, your front main speakers *must* be set to Large, because there's nowhere else for the lowest bass frequencies to go.

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Is DynamicEQ disabled in certain sound modes? That may be what's happening.
No, this is off a fresh calibration. I only watch movies, rarely listen to music so its only set on one sound mode.

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You need to re-run the Audyssey calibration.

When you told the receiver that you wanted the front speakers to be Small (which requires a subwoofer) that addition of a subwoofer invalidated your previous Audyssey calibration. That lack of a calibration also prevents DynEQ from being enabled. If you don't have a subwoofer, your front main speakers *must* be set to Large, because there's nowhere else for the lowest bass frequencies to go.
Makes total sense, I didn't even think of that. I was always under the impression that they all have to be set to small regardless of a sub or not. No wonder I didn't recognize what was going on, I've always EQ'd with a sub before. Now that I'm in an apartment, the sub had to go so it's just a 5.0 system. I REALLY miss my sub
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OK, all set. For now I set the front speakers to large, and got the settings back. I'll re-run audyssey again tomorrow.

Do any of you run wall treatments like bass traps or acoustic panels? I'm wondering where to ask since I dont see a dedicated thread on them and want to know if my place would benefit from them, it is basically an apartment with blank walls except for a few pictures but since its primarily a 3 sided box opening to a small dining room i'm hoping I can get some sort of sound improvement or frequency taming by adding something to absorb some of the reflecting frequencies.

My setup consists of a pair of paradigm monitor titans v5 and a cc-290v6 center with a couple of older surrounds off to the sides.

I can post pics if needed but wont be until tomorrow.

BTW, I was thinking of going with these to start off with:

http://www.amazon.com/Auralex-Studio...bxgy_MI_text_y

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I'd like to but i really have no access to the resources to build something like that, but those certainly are nice
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An interesting comparison of my current system with and without Audyssey XT32.

There is also some impressive room gain happening here with the little corner-loaded Velodyne VX-10, plus a little Dynamic EQ sprinkled on top. Overall, XT32 it did a decent job bringing up some lows and taming some peaks. I need to figure out what is killing my 400-600Hz region, but I'm not going to go to great lengths just yet. Reason is that the speakers and sub are changing within the next month so this was just getting the new AVR all ready for them in advance. When you're within the return window on speakers/subs, you don't want to have AVR problems. Once I have the new speakers and subs and after I've moved, I'll get more serious with this.

I decided to use dark colors for OFF, and bright colors for ON. These were done at -20 on my X4000 which gives a headroom of about 10db. They are 85db sensitivity speakers. All settings following AustinJerry's guide, which has been a great help. CSL UMIK-1, HDMI.

Left speaker. Dark red is Audyssey OFF, bright red is Audyssey ON
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One last thing. I can't get my AVR to display MULTICH IN. It's in Stereo, and I can change it to all kinds of other things, but not MULTICH IN. It does default to MULTICH IN for my PS3, but not my Chromecast or my PC.

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Reading another thread today, someone suggested that :

1) placing a soft blanket over a leather couch might help with reflection issues while running Audyssey, and / or

2) removing the couch while running Audyssey would yield better results than having the couch present during the measurement process.

Any thoughts or opinions on these ideas?

Thank you :-)
I am going to disagree with a couple of the other posters on the blanket issue (but not on removing the couch). The reason for putting a blanket over a couch or chair in proximity to the Audyssey microphone during calibration is to prevent comb filtering from the surface of the couch. That is particularly true if the couch is leather or a smooth vinyl. If short (high frequency) reflections occur very close to the Audyssey microphone (comb filtering), it can cause Audyssey to over-correct high frequencies in general.

This issue is covered in the FAQ, and I have definitely seen (heard) the effects of comb filtering before I started using a blanket over the back of my leather chair at my MLP. The alternative is to try to stay about 18" away from the chair or couch back, and that presents problems of its own. Of course, if your couch is a soft fabric, like velour, the blanket probably won't be necessary, as the fabric will absorb and disperse some of the high frequency reflections instead of bouncing them straight back into the Audyssey mic.
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OK, all set. For now I set the front speakers to large, and got the settings back. I'll re-run audyssey again tomorrow.

Do any of you run wall treatments like bass traps or acoustic panels? I'm wondering where to ask since I dont see a dedicated thread on them and want to know if my place would benefit from them, it is basically an apartment with blank walls except for a few pictures but since its primarily a 3 sided box opening to a small dining room i'm hoping I can get some sort of sound improvement or frequency taming by adding something to absorb some of the reflecting frequencies.

My setup consists of a pair of paradigm monitor titans v5 and a cc-290v6 center with a couple of older surrounds off to the sides.




I can post pics if needed but wont be until tomorrow.

BTW, I was thinking of going with these to start off with:

http://www.amazon.com/Auralex-Studio...bxgy_MI_text_y

Some panels such as the ones you have linked would probably help with mid-range or high frequencies if placed directly behind your speakers, but you should look for Auralex, or other bass traps, if you want to help with low frequencies.

Something like this would get you started: http://www.amazon.com/ATS-Acoustic-C...alex+bass+trap
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In the same vein, don't move your seat if that's where it's going to be.
While I'd generally agree with you that the room should be in the same state during calibration as it will be in during listening, there is an exception in the case of the blanket thrown over the back of the seats. The problem here is that if the seat backs are reflective (eg leather) then they can cause reflections which the mic picks up and then Audyssey compensates for. This can result in an 'off' calibration. Given that there will always be a large, non-reflective object (a human being) between the seat back and the MLP during listening, it is acceptable, desirable even, to damp down any reflections from the seat back during calibration. I have taken independent measurements of a calibration with 'undamped' seat backs in my room and compared them with a calibration done with a thick blanket placed over my leather seat backs, and the result is overwhelmingly in favor of the latter approach.
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OK, all set. For now I set the front speakers to large, and got the settings back. I'll re-run audyssey again tomorrow.

Do any of you run wall treatments like bass traps or acoustic panels? I'm wondering where to ask since I dont see a dedicated thread on them and want to know if my place would benefit from them, it is basically an apartment with blank walls except for a few pictures but since its primarily a 3 sided box opening to a small dining room i'm hoping I can get some sort of sound improvement or frequency taming by adding something to absorb some of the reflecting frequencies.
Any room will benefit from acoustic treatments. The room is the most important 'component' in your system and the one which has, by far, the most effect on the final sound quality. I would suggest that you look at the Realtraps and GIK Acoustics web sites, both of which have tons of educational information on them. They will guide you to your decision on what to use and where.

I covered this in the FAQ:

h)7. If I have MultEQ in my AVR, can I forget about room treatments?

The FAQ answer also has some useful links at the end.

EDIT: BTW, I'd forget those things from Amazon. Check out those sites and you will see why I say that.
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