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Question for those of you with a minidsp:

Do you tame peaks with minidsp before or after you run Audyssey?
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Question for those of you with a minidsp:

Do you tame peaks with minidsp before or after you run Audyssey?
Better to ask in the minidsp threads. Real Audyssey users don't use mixed room correction systems coz there can be phase vs. frequency issues affecting SQ. But ,...pssst,...don't tell 'em!
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Better to ask in the minidsp threads. Real Audyssey users don't use mixed room correction systems coz there can be phase vs. frequency issues affecting SQ. But ,...pssst,...don't tell 'em!
I asked in minidsp thread but was told to ask here, lol.

I'm fairly certain many minidsp users also use Audyssey? If nothing else you can use minidsp to add a house curve or more mid-bass.

I'll rephrase my question though - are there any fake Audyssey users like me who use a minidsp also? If so, do you tame peaks with minidsp before or after Audyssey?
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Question for those of you with a minidsp:

Do you tame peaks with minidsp before or after you run Audyssey?
Use MiniDSP first, and then run Audyssey. Audyssey results are generally better if there is less to correct. For this reason, the advice is to add room treatments, find the best location for subs, etc. before running Audyssey.

I have a MiniDSP 2x4 and room correction. This is the order that I do things, with good results.
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I asked in minidsp thread but was told to ask here, lol.
LOL.

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I'm fairly certain many minidsp users also use Audyssey?
Me, too!


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If nothing else you can use minidsp to add a house curve or more mid-bass.
And then you add phase distortion to your system!!

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I'll rephrase my question though - are there any fake Audyssey users like me who use a minidsp also? If so, do you tame peaks with minidsp before or after Audyssey?
There are many fake Audyssey users who don't u'stand phase distortion. They just look at frequency curves and get happy with what they get. Flat or a "house curve", whatever pleases them.

They are nice people, but lack the technical background. Still they are happy. Let it be!
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LOL.

And then you add phase distortion to your system ...Audyssey users who don't u'stand phase distortion. They'd just look at frequency curves and get happy with what they get.
I'm pretty novice but I think you are saying eq'ing after Audyssey can make the graphs look better, but can potentially make things sound worse?

I have kind of felt lie things sound off after messing with eq after Audyssey. I'm glad you pointed this out, I think I'll try to stick to taming peaks pre Audyssey as the other gentleman suggested.

Although no matter where I put the subs I get a five DB or so dip in a few spots. I had been fixing them with eq. I guess I'll resist the urge. Now I have something else to be paranoid about.
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XLR Attenuator + Audyssey question:

When trying to buy a XLR attenuator, that's say 10dB, will it roughly bring the level setting down in audyssey 10dB (say if speaker was -10, once attenuator is added it will be close to 0), or is it not that exact?
I was told by my dealer & tech that attenuators provide approximately the labeled amount of attenuation. Isn't it true that whatever the amount of real attenuation, Audyssey will measure that, and set the trim appropriately, providing that there is enough attenuation to produce a trim setting less extreme than -12?
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Found some useful info from Chris K, with an easy solution. Of course I will try both XLRs and XLRs+attenuators next week with Audyssey, but if you have one or more speakers that is at -12 you just adjust the others to it and reduced master volume that you use.

If speaker A is 79db's at -12, go in and adjust others to 79db's, and then just remember you reference volume is now not 0.0, but -4.0.
I'm still confused. If Audyssey has set Speaker A to -12, is it possible that Audyssey would have "liked" to set it at -13 or -14 or -15, etc, but stopped at -12 because -12 is the limit of the range ... right or wrong?

I would be more comfortable if no speaker's trim was at -12. At more moderate settings (e.g., -10, -5) I would be more confident that Audyssey set the trim correctly.

Did Chris really use -12 as an example? If he was using some other Audyssey assigned trim setting -- less extreme than -12 -- it would make more sense to me. But, as I said, I'm still confused.
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I'm still confused. If Audyssey has set Speaker A to -12, is it possible that Audyssey would have "liked" to set it at -13 or -14 or -15, etc, but stopped at -12 because -12 is the limit of the range ... right or wrong?

I would be more comfortable if no speaker's trim was at -12. At more moderate settings (e.g., -10, -5) I would be more confident that Audyssey set the trim correctly.

Did Chris really use -12 as an example? If he was using some other Audyssey assigned trim setting -- less extreme than -12 -- it would make more sense to me. But, as I said, I'm still confused.
If you have speakers going -12, you can attenuate with an RCA or XLR connector or check their SPL and level match. In my case, my center is currently -12, but luckily it tests only about 1/2 to 1 db higher than fronts (close to 76 when they are 75). So you run Audyssey and you fronts are -10, and the center is -12. After you finish, you go into the level section, turn the volume up to reference (0.0), and test the center. say the center is 80 (basically it needed an adjustment of -17 but -12 is max), and then you go to the fronts and you want to level match them with the center.

You'd bump the fronts up from the 75db that Audyssey set, to 80, which would most likely be you adjusting them from -10 to -5. At that point all speakers are level at 80db, and it now means your reference volume setting is not 0.0 anymore, its probably -5.0 because you are 5db's hot now.

I guess if you wanted to feel more comfortable and not have the center at -12, you could bump it to -10, which would then be 82 for the sake of this conversation, and you would have to give the other speakes a 7db boost in audyssey. Chris K did not seem concerned at all about one being -12, you just have to use an SPL meter to determine what it is actually putting out, and match the other speakers to it.

It's a simple solution that I never thought of until reading his answers to people. They key is not that all the speakers have to be 75db, it's that if you deviate from that you have to realize that 0.0 is not a reference volume setting anymore and adjust accordingly. And if one speakers is high, you want them all to match the level of the highest speaker because you can always adjust up from a negative, but once it is at -12, nothing more you can do for that speaker. Unless you opt for the 10db, etc... attenuators.

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