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I also assumed that when turned on, even with the volume at reference level and DEQ applying nothing to the curve, it is still in the signal path. There is a method to my madness here, albeit a slightly lazy one. I use my OPPO Blu ray player for movies as well as 2 channel music listening. I prefer Audyssey Reference for movies but Audyssey Flat, with bass and treble controls on and adjusted to simulate the Harman curve for music. I use the smart select buttons to remember my settings for movies and one for my settings for music. The problem with this is that the tone controls are global, and I don't want the tone settings I use for music applied to Audyssey Reference in the movie settings................ so I turned on DEQ for the movie/Reference settings.......... DEQ turns off the tone controls....... you can't have both on together. That solved my issue, I can one button my two smart selects for instant settings for movies and music . The trade off is DEQ is now in the loop for movies, but since I listen 99% of the time at a volume setting of -5, I set the reference offset to 5 so DEQ is doing nothing to the sound............ other than most likely being in the signal path. The alternative is to remember to go into the settings every time I switch between a movie and music and turn the tone controls on and off. Since I can tell little difference with movies when DEQ is on or off at reference level, I chose to leave it on and solve the need to turn the tone on and off.
Sounds like a good plan to me.

I use Audyssey Flat for most movies, with the Bass and Treble Controls set to simulate the Harmon curve, or with the Treble Control set for flat, with no DEQ, with the main volume control set at about 5 dB below Reference, depending on the movie, generally using dialog SPL (by ear) as an indicator.

For music discs it's a crap shoot. I start at Audyssey Flat, with Bass @ +6, then vary the balance by ear, until it sounds both good and fairly real.

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Sounds like a good plan to me.

I use Audyssey Flat for most movies, with the Bass and Treble Controls set to simulate the Harmon curve, or with the Treble Control set for flat, with no DEQ, with the main volume control set at about 5 dB below Reference, depending on the movie, generally using dialog SPL (by ear) as an indicator.

For music discs it's a crap shoot. I start at Audyssey Flat, with Bass @ +6, then vary the balance by ear, until it sounds both good and fairly real.
Sounds like we have a similar approach. Interesting that you also listen at about 5db below reference for your movies. I find that to be the sweet spot also..... any louder and it's blowing me out of the room.............. and I like loud
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Sounds like a good plan to me.

I use Audyssey Flat for most movies, with the Bass and Treble Controls set to simulate the Harmon curve, or with the Treble Control set for flat, with no DEQ, with the main volume control set at about 5 dB below Reference, depending on the movie, generally using dialog SPL (by ear) as an indicator.

For music discs it's a crap shoot. I start at Audyssey Flat, with Bass @ +6, then vary the balance by ear, until it sounds both good and fairly real.

Gary this sounds like a good idea using flat and the tone controls if you like it, Ive done the same in the past but:
Using flat you don't get the top end roll off like you do on reference.Using the tone controls to adjust treble wont give it to you either for the roll off of the top end as it covers way more than just that end.


Mind you you are good to go if you don't find you need the top end roll off with your speakers... I have horns so do need the roll off, hence stick to Ref for movies.

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hello guys i just did my first calibration in my denon avr 2100w i have one problem!when i check the results my speakers are set to large and i cant change them to small when i click it and then go back the are large again
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hello guys i just did my first calibration in my denon avr 2100w i have one problem!when i check the results my speakers are set to large and i cant change them to small when i click it and then go back the are large again
The Audyssey menu just shows a report card of what it measured. Go to the Manual speaker setup menu where the active settings are.
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Gary this sounds like a good idea using flat and the tone controls if you like it, Ive done the same in the past but:
Using flat you don't get the top end roll off like you do on reference.Using the tone controls to adjust treble wont give it to you either for the roll off of the top end as it covers way more than just that end.


Mind you you are good to go if you don't find you need the top end roll off with your speakers... I have horns so do need the roll off, hence stick to Ref for movies.

We are all so different in what works best for our systems. Flat with the tone controls works a charm for my system, because the tone controls only affect my front speakers, which are the ones that need it. The other speakers in my system sound perfect with Flat, whereas Reference would flatten the top end on all my speakers. It's a quite audible difference for me with music.

DEQ, on the other hand is much more program driven for me. I don't like to listen quite as loud as some of the other people who have commented. -15 is about as loud as I like to go. DEQ doesn't help me much with sporting events, for instance. Too much crowd noise can actually drown out the announcers, although maybe that's not always a bad thing. But with action movies, and something like Game of Thrones, I really enjoy the bass boost, and the surround boost. I wouldn't want the surround boost at all for music, but I like it a lot for some of the more dynamic viewing. Lot's of room for individual preferences in a modern Audyssey-enabled AVR.
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Here's some' interesting about Audyssey Auto EQ system and its implementation with some audio manufacturers:

- In products from Denon/Marantz, NAD, Onkyo/Integra of the past, there is the option to use a manual EQ...the graphic type.
- Yamaha and Pioneer products don't have Audyssey, they have their own proprietary EQ systems, but you can manually adjust them with the parametric EQ.
- If you want say the Harman/Kardon reference curve, then you have the best closer chance to get it with a parametric EQ.

Are those products using Audyssey not having enough processing power to include a parametric EQ? ...Well, Onkyo/Integra abandonned Audyssey all together for a less demanding processing power EQ system with AccuEQ and retains a manual graphic EQ. ...All together they saved money now by having less DSP power (one less chip). ...NAD, I'm not sure...I just don't follow them close anymore. ...Denon/Marantz added more DSP power (one added chip) while retaining Audyssey Auto EQ system, but also retaining their manual graphic EQ.

It's like a compromise that every audio manufacturer has to make.

In the higher audio end, you have less compromises, but also less money in the banking system.

And today, you have new ball games like Dirac Live, but also more complicated for the people who normally purchase an AV receiver...the majority simply doesn't want to take the time to master it...they want a simple auto EQ system like AccuEQ, for example. ...Quick and easy.

And of course some inexpensive pre/pros and multichannel power amps from Emotiva, as an alternative, ...parametric EQ, and now with integrated Dirac Live.

There are no "perfect" audio product for all people, but only the compromises we are making/accepting.

Audyssey is the largest thread ever here @ AVS, and the day that Denon/Marantz abandon it all together the thread will remain alive for still few years.

This is only my own personal opinion...some observation. Fell free to share your own.
* If anyone can provide info regarding Audyssey inside the 2015 NAD products, that would be cool, plus their own custom Audyssey curve.
...To see if NAD approximate the "Harmon" reference target curve.

<<♦>> My own prediction: We are going to see products with new Room EQ systems (eg.; Quantum Logic), with that "Harmon" reference target curve in our own own rooms @ home. And Dirac Live has plenty of room to expand.

I remember back in 2004; Audyssey was a baby...today, more than ten years later it has reached a plateau with XT32 and eleven channels of equalization. ...For Audyssey DSX, DTS Neo:X, Dolby Atmos, Auro-3D, and DTS:X. ...Plus all their derivatives...audio processing and up-mixing.

It is also interesting to note that only Yamaha retained Dolby ProLogic IIx and IIz with their new Dolby Atmos AV receivers, in addition to Dolby Surround.
It will be interesting to see about DTS Neo:X in Denon/Marantz products soon. ...Now with DTS Neural:X.

And it's too bad about Audyssey no more improving their EQ system, for example to give the freedom to adjust manually the target curves and save them. ...Like that "Harman" curve for example...one for Music and another for Movies.
Then you can see that Dirac Live and manual parametric EQs are going to replace Audyssey for good @ one point in time...and perhaps nearer than what we think. ...But an Auto EQ system is what sells with the masses...for simplicity; it is in the overall implementation that that it is becoming more important today...with manual flexibility attached to it. ...More DSP chips, and clear instructions. ...Nowadays processing power is like RMS watts; it don't cost that much.

Alright; I've been using Audyssey for about ten years...I won't be using it for the next ten.
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