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When you say DEQ are you referring to Dynamic EQ? If so that might explain the muddy sound. As it will be pumping up the bass in those low frequencies.

Air in treble is a funny thing isn't it? Once I played with a tubes I understood air. I had never liked treble until I heard a tube render it so sweetly with ambiance. After hearing what tubes could do I look for it in all my equipment now. Dangerous game tubes tho. I have $5K worth of spare NOS* tubes.

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Any 12ax7s you wannna spare ........................... my guitar amp could use some good NOS magic
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Any 12ax7s you wannna spare ........................... my guitar amp could use some good NOS magic
I would if I had them.
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I would if I had them.
I was teasing you. I do however know all about tubes. In the guitar world it's called "chasing tone"
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I was teasing you. I do however know all about tubes. In the guitar world it's called "chasing tone"
I knew you were. However I'm the type of guy that would have passed you some. I often do at headphone meets.

Chasing a sound is fun. I bought loads and loads of tubes before having the desired arrangement (power, rectifier and drive tubes). Once I found my desired sound I purchased 14 sets of everything. 70 years worth. My lifetime.
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I knew you were. However I'm the type of guy that would have passed you some. I often do at headphone meets.

Chasing a sound is fun. I bought loads and loads of tubes before having the desired arrangement (power, rectifier and drive tubes). Once I found my desired sound I purchased 14 sets of everything. 70 years worth. My lifetime.
You're a kind soul I totally get the "desired combination" thing...... it's very similar in guitar amps. I wish I had stockpiled a bunch of NOS tubes years ago. Guitar players seek a different thing tube amp wise than audiophiles....... we want some break up at the right point in our power tubes......... that singing sustained harmonically rich guitar sound that permeates classic rock ........ tube distortion Sorry if I've temporarily derailed the thread
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Brain fart here. I had been using my display for a few days, and just setup some new gear. I ran XT32 setup with the tv cranked up pretty good, but I am assuming the test tones go to the pre outs and speaker terminals only and would have nothing to do with anything passing thru the displays speakers and mucking with auto eq? I usually leave the displays speakers disabled.

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Brain fart here. I had been using my display for a few days, and just setup some new gear. I ran XT32 setup with the tv cranked up pretty good, but I am assuming the test tones go to the pre outs and speaker terminals only and would have nothing to do with anything passing thru the displays speakers and mucking with auto eq? I usually leave the displays speakers disabled.
What exactly did you do? Apart from brain f@rt?
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What exactly did you do? Apart from brain f@rt?
Just second guessing myself. Wanted to make sure audyssey sweeps werent passed on to the tv speakers thru HDMI and messed with the auto eq for my speakers connected to the AVR.

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Just second guessing myself. Wanted to make sure audyssey sweeps werent passed on to the tv speakers thru HDMI and messed with the auto eq for my speakers connected to the AVR.
Hope all's OK by now! Enjoy!
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Just second guessing myself. Wanted to make sure audyssey sweeps werent passed on to the tv speakers thru HDMI and messed with the auto eq for my speakers connected to the AVR.

If I understand your question correctly, Audyssey test tones are played only through the speakers hooked up to your AVR and enabled in your Speaker Configuration Menu. You can track the sweeps as they play through the speakers, and see the virtual speaker display on your screen. If your TV has built-in speakers, those are disabled anyway once you turn on your AVR. So, you're good.
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I am trying to improve tonal balance for music listening.
My whole music library has ReplayGain tags calculated for 89dB reference.
However Audyssey's DynamicEQ works with 75dB reference.

Do I need to somehow account for the 14dB difference?
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I am trying to improve tonal balance for music listening.
My whole music library has ReplayGain tags calculated for 89dB reference.
However Audyssey's DynamicEQ works with 75dB reference.

Do I need to somehow account for the 14dB difference?
Hi ciukacz,

This, IMHO is one of the hardest questions I've ever read here on this thread.

Nonetheless, as another advocate of using ReplayGain for music libraries, here's what I do. I set RG so that music is played back with a peak level not exceeding 0 dB. That gives my ears a pleasing tonal balance at any volume setting.

Although you might also want to experiment with -5 dB or even -10 dB peaks. Turn DynamicEQ on and do a lot of listening tests till you can settle RG to your liking. And then keep it that way, especially for playlists where your music playback levels may vary a lot. Once you set individual RG you won't have to touch your remote for volume between songs anymore.

My experience is that as we go back by decades the playback level is getting lower and lower, typically by some 5 dBs, i.e. the older the recording the lower the initial playback will be.

You may read on the subject with a keyword search. "Loudness war".

I use Foobar 2000 with a plug-in called "Peakmeter Spectrum" to check playback levels and it works for me like a charm.

Hope this helps.
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If we agree that ReplayGain algorithm can actually calculate at what SPL the mix was performed (because that's what it's trying to do, right?)
then why should I experiment with different settings as you suggest?
There should be only one correct value to compensate for the difference between these two reference levels.

I am just asking what is the correct "offset" I should use and where do I put it.
The tools at my disposal are source level offset on the AVR side and preamp setting in XBMC software.
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If we agree that ReplayGain algorithm can actually calculate at what SPL the mix was performed (because that's what it's trying to do, right?)
Well, not exactly. With ReplayGain you put a tag into each of your music files where the dB value will surely be different album by album/band by band and by date of recording.


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There should be only one correct value to compensate for the difference between these two reference levels.
Nope. The whole point of RG is to bring your whole library to the same playback level, album by album.

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I am just asking what is the correct "offset" I should use and where do I put it.
Again, there is no single correct offset with RG.


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The tools at my disposal are source level offset on the AVR side and preamp setting in XBMC software.
Neither of these will let you achive your goal, you need to "touch" every song, or every album at least.

Hope this helps.
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If the sub level is at +8 is that considered hot. This is without audyssey. It's with accueq.

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If that is what AccuEQ set your sub to, then its HOT! Turn up the gain knob on the rear side of the sub and rerun you, umm, ...room correction sw. Make it in the range of -6 to -9 dB. Then you can safely increase sub trim in the AVR to taste.

But wait, are you messing around with AccuEQ? Not a fan of Audyssey anymore?
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If that is what AccuEQ set your sub to, then its HOT! Turn up the gain knob on the rear side of the sub and rerun you, umm, ...room correction sw. Make it in the range of -6 to -9 dB. Then you can safely increase sub trim in the AVR to taste.

But wait, are you messing around with AccuEQ? Not a fan of Audyssey anymore? [emoji14]
I have two avrs. One with Accueq and Audyssey. With audyssey it measured -2.5 which is fine. I'm still a fan I am just going back and forth listening to different content before one goes back.

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I have two avrs. One with Accueq and Audyssey. With audyssey it measured -2.5 which is fine. I'm still a fan I am just going back and forth listening to different content before one goes back.

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We know which one is going back, don't we?
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We know which one is going back, don't we? [emoji14]
You know. I have always liked audyssey. It normally sets my speakers and sub spot on. I just think it kinda muddied the sub. I like the couch to vibrate when it's not even reference level.
The Onkyo (accueq aside) seems like it packs a punch but at the same time it's set at +8 for the sub. At +3 the Onkyo still has the punch. I will kick the sub to 0 on audyssey and see.
Most likely the Onkyo is going back since I feel I can trust audyssey more and play it safe.



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You know. I have always liked audyssey. It normally sets my speakers and sub spot on. I just think it kinda muddied the sub. I like the couch to vibrate when it's not even reference level.
The Onkyo (accueq aside) seems like it packs a punch but at the same time it's set at +8 for the sub. At +3 the Onkyo still has the punch. I will kick the sub to 0 on audyssey and see.
Most likely the Onkyo is going back since I feel I can trust audyssey more and play it safe.



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AccuEQ doesn't eq the Front L&Rs, or in otherwords doesn't set filters based on speaker/room interaction. For me that would be a complete deal braker just by looking at the spec sheet itself. Isn't it like buying two cars, one that comes with wheels and the other one without!
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Yeah, what he just said ^ above.
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