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post #631 of 7304 Old 04-24-2007, 12:33 PM
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I created a simple spreadsheet to make a side-by-side comparison of the Onkyo 605, 705, and 805 receivers. I used the info. from the 1st post of this thread from yesterday (4/23/07). Here's a screenshot of that spreadsheet. I can change the formatting a little if you think that will help. The rows highlighted in yellow refer to at least one difference between these receivers. I abbreviated to make the cells of reasonable length and used footnotes so that you don't have to keep on referring to the thread's original post.

Based on the PR, the 605 has a different price than in your spreadsheet. (good sheet altogether though)
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It sounds like the only AVR to support HD radio is the 905. It seems odd that support for HD radio is not included in some of the other units.
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The TX-NR1000 already has a module to support Sirius, XM and HD radio simultaneously. I think Onkyo consider HD radio support to be more important for the top of the range offerings.
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Based on the PR, the 605 has a different price than in your spreadsheet. (good sheet altogether though)

This is true, but the retailers are listing it at $499.00, not at the $599.00 Onkyo has it at. I hope that is a true price.
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875 out in June!!!!!!!

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The TX-NR1000 already has a module to support Sirius, XM and HD radio simultaneously. I think Onkyo consider HD radio support to be more important for the top of the range offerings.

The thing that bothers me is that I bet within 2 or 3 years even low end receivers will include HD radio support (and HD radio stations will be more prevalent). Thus shelling out $$$ for the 505, 575, 605, 705, 805, or 875 basically puts you in a position that if HD radio makes it big - that you may be tempted to upgrade in the not too distant future. Although I guess you could buy a separate device that is just a HD radio receiver and run it into the AVR. . . but that seems kind of wasteful.
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The thing that bothers me is that I bet within 2 or 3 years even low end receivers will include support (and will be more prevalent). Thus shelling out $$$ for the 505, 575, 605, 705, 805, or 875 basically puts you in a position that if makes it big - that you may be tempted to upgrade in the not too distant future. Although I guess you could buy a separate device that is just a receiver and run it into the AVR. . . but that seems kind of wasteful.

Replace X with any new technology and this statement will be accurate in perpetuity.
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http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-ente...nes-254906.php
The link has the press release and a few other details, more to come.
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Replace X with any new technology and this statement will be accurate in perpetuity.

I understand where you are coming from and do agree. However the switch to HD radio could be fairly signficant. FM (although it has growing competition from satellite) has been the norm for many years. If HD AM/FM becomes popular I suspect it will have a reasonably long useful life span. I really had my sites set on the 875 but I am not so sure I want to dump 1.5K on a AVR that does not support HD radio.
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Is HD radio really a deal-breaker? Frankly, I don't even have that on my radar.
Sure, there's a chance it could be really big in 5-10 years. Chances are, however, that it'll be adoped even more slowly than HDTV.
Considering HD radio is not High-def, I don't see the need.
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I understand where you are coming from and do agree. However the switch to HD radio could be fairly signficant. FM (although it has growing competition from satellite) has been the norm for many years. If HD AM/FM becomes popular I suspect it will have a reasonably long useful life span. I really had my sites set on the 875 but I am not so sure I want to dump 1.5K on a AVR that does not support HD radio.

It could be significant for some. Personally I never listen to radio outside of my car so I couldn't care less about HD radio. For you it's obviously a different issue. Like you said though, you could just buy a separate HD radio receiver if you need to. FWIW I'd bet it will be more than 2 or 3 years before HD Radio is "significant". By that time an HD Radio receiver ought to be pretty cheap.
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Still looking for the info. on the OSD!

Only the 605 and less expensive models have sat radio from XM and Sirus? I will need good OSD and XM radio....which model?

I will wait for the Denons to surface in order to do a comparison. No buying until reports on performance is out on any AVR. Too much can be found to not work correctly and I will not be suckered into buying basis some written spec.

Patience people.


Ok, I'll have to answer my own questions.

1) They all have XM and Sirus sat. radio capability.
2) OSD??? Still no clue here as to whether they will have state of the art OSD (On Screen Display).
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If you have a 1080p source, can you output it at 1080p into the 605 via component and have it sent 1080p via hdmi to display?

From what (I think) I've learned by reading this forum, isn'y that what specs indeed mean when they say:

"Full A/V Processing via HDMI 1.3a with Upconversion"

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"Component Video Upconversion"

This differs from the 505 which is HDMI pass-through. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this means the HDMI signal in equal the HDMI output. However, if you connect components, the 505 does not upconvert so you have to do component out as well.

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I created a simple spreadsheet to make a side-by-side comparison of the Onkyo 605, 705, and 805 receivers. I used the info. from the 1st post of this thread from yesterday (4/23/07). Here's a screenshot of that spreadsheet. I can change the formatting a little if you think that will help. The rows highlighted in yellow refer to at least one difference between these receivers. I abbreviated to make the cells of reasonable length and used footnotes so that you don't have to keep on referring to the thread's original post.

Show off! Good job

Making the most out of what I got.
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So when can we pre-order that 805? Need to plan out the return of my pioneer 82 and hk 247.
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I will be VERY surprised if you can't. What about the thousands of people with 1080i monitors? My guess is that even if you select 1080P the receiver will upscale UP TO 1080P but will respect the maximum resolution of your display. That's how my Toshiba XA-2 HD DVD player works.

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Yeah, I too would be very surprised if Onkyo doesn't allow this in the configuration of the 875 or the 905. There's no reason why, since the Reon can do all the scaling.

I'm excited about the potential of feeding the 905 all the sources at native resolution and letting it scale to 720p for my projector since it scales a 1080 source down to 540 before back up to 720. The Reon should be able to scale everything down to 720 from 1080 sources directly.
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Ok, quick question for you guys. I just got an oppo981 to replace my 4 year old progressive scan dvd player. I have a 1080p TV (Sharp 52D92U), and i noticed a huge difference with the oppo.

Ok, now for the question: If i am looking at the 875, is the oppo just wasted money? Is this Reon chip going to blow the oppo out of the water, even if all it is getting is a 480p input over component from the old dvd player?

I love the oppo, but if it is going to be useless in 3 months when i get the 875, id rather return it, save the money, and think about the 905.
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Ok, quick question for you guys. I just got an oppo981 to replace my 4 year old progressive scan dvd player. I have a 1080p TV (Sharp 52D92U), and i noticed a huge difference with the oppo.

Ok, now for the question: If i am looking at the 875, is the oppo just wasted money? Is this Reon chip going to blow the oppo out of the water, even if all it is getting is a 480p input over component from the old dvd player?

I love the oppo, but if it is going to be useless in 3 months when i get the 875, id rather return it, save the money, and think about the 905.

Personally I would send it back and leave the upconversion to the 875 / 905. I actually returned an Oppo 981 that I had received for Christmas. I noticed a lot of macroblocking and green push on my Samsung HLS6187 that I did not get with my older progressive scan DVD player. And now that I am eyeing the 875 / 905 - I am extra glad I sent it packing. I suspect the Reon will do signficantly better in upconversion than any Faroudja based system.
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Ok, quick question for you guys. I just got an oppo981 to replace my 4 year old progressive scan dvd player. I have a 1080p TV (Sharp 52D92U), and i noticed a huge difference with the oppo.

Ok, now for the question: If i am looking at the 875, is the oppo just wasted money? Is this Reon chip going to blow the oppo out of the water, even if all it is getting is a 480p input over component from the old dvd player?

I love the oppo, but if it is going to be useless in 3 months when i get the 875, id rather return it, save the money, and think about the 905.

I think the ideal route to scaling standard def DVD would be using HDMI out of the player into the Reon receiver. If you can find and expensive DVD player that had HDMI out and can send the receiver 480i, then you'd be set. You'd want to find a player that does 480i via HDMI, which may put you back into the same price point as the Oppo.

Of course you can send the Reon a signal via analog component and still get good results too; but, ideally would be a digital signal that the Reon can deinterlace and scale.

I plan on sending the 905 HDMI from the HD-XA2 and will have to play with what looks best for in regards to 720p or 1080p; but, since I plan on running one HDMI out to a 720p projector and the other HDMI out to a 1080p flat panel, I suspect keeping the XA2 at 1080p and then let the Reon in the receiver scale as needed will be best.

*of course this is if Onkyo enables the Reon to scale each output separately and doesn't mess up something with how the Reon is utilized.
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TX-SR605 MSRP $599 Shipping mid May
*Full A/V Processing via HDMI 1.3a with Upconversion (2 in 1 out)
*HDMI Deep Color Capable (36bit)
*Component Video Upconversion and HDTV-Capable (50 MHZ) Video Switching (3 in 1 out)

TX-SR805 MSRP $999 Est Shipping date mid May
Full A/V Processing via HDMI 1.3a with Upconversion (3 in 1 out)
*HDMI Deep Color Capable (36bit)
*Component Video Upconversion and HDTV-Capable (100 MHZ) Video Switching (3 in 1 out)

I guess guys, I still need some help wrapping my head around this. Does the 50MHZ mean that it can do 1080p or Does the 100 MHZ mean that it can do 1080p? Does it mean nothing at all or something I just don't understand?
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TX-SR605 MSRP $599 Shipping mid May
*Full A/V Processing via HDMI 1.3a with Upconversion (2 in 1 out)
*HDMI Deep Color Capable (36bit)
*Component Video Upconversion and HDTV-Capable (50 MHZ) Video Switching (3 in 1 out)

TX-SR805 MSRP $999 Est Shipping date mid May
Full A/V Processing via HDMI 1.3a with Upconversion (3 in 1 out)
*HDMI Deep Color Capable (36bit)
*Component Video Upconversion and HDTV-Capable (100 MHZ) Video Switching (3 in 1 out)

I guess guys, I still need some help wrapping my head around this. Does the 50MHZ mean that it can do 1080p or Does the 100 MHZ mean that it can do 1080p? Does it mean nothing at all or something I just don't understand?

Basically means that both AVRs can handle HD video streams through Both Component Video In/Out and HDMI In/Out..

Since both AVRs are HDMI 1.3 compliant they can handle (switch) the new advanced Deep Color HD video streams via HDMI..
Yet not available from many..
Deep Color sources and displays are growing in popularity and by the this Fall the demand will be significant..

Regarding HD audio decoding, they can handle the LPCM streams fine and have some on-board HD audio decoding capability as well...
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I guess guys, I still need some help wrapping my head around this. Does the 50MHZ mean that it can do 1080p or Does the 100 MHZ mean that it can do 1080p? Does it mean nothing at all or something I just don't understand?

I'm not positive myself but here is what bfdtv posted earlier in the thread:

The 50MHz vs 100MHz refers to the bandwidth of the component switching. Analog connections like component are not lossless, so there will always be some amount of picture degradation when using component video switching. Higher bandwidth component connections reduce that picture degradation, particularly with 1080p signals. For example, if you are using 1080p component output from an Xbox360, you would want the model with 100MHz component switching.
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Thanks guys! That helped
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I've been lurking...

Just pre-ordered my 605 as my "first step" towards HDTV-dom, and picked up the extended warranty - nicely priced as well.

This is how it went down:

Terry: "...How can I help you?"
me: "I'd like to pre-order a receiver..."
Terry: "Ok! Let me guess...(chuckling)...The Onkyo TX-SR605??"
me: Yeah, that's the one!"
Terry: Great!...(more chuckling)...Are you a member of a group, or something?? (still more chuckling)


I love it!

(and w/ a big "Thanks" and "Hello" to all here.)
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No pre-outs on the 605
http://www.gspr.com/onkyo/images/txsr605_rear_300.jpg

Pre-outs on the 805:
http://www.gspr.com/onkyo/images/txsr805_rear_300.jpg

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Hey everyone-- I need to climb aboard the question asking brigade if that's ok. I don't mean to be an annoying n00b. I just read through all 20 pages of the thread and my brain is complete mush. I don't BELIEVE I'm asking something that's been answered, but if I am, I apologize in advance.

I'm eyeing the 805 receiver, but I don't know if I need anything higher. In regards to the receiver specifically, here is what I will be feeding into it:

- PS3 over HDMI
- Toshiba HD-XA2 over HDMI
- HDTV signal through HDMI

My speaker system is a nice 5.1 system, and I have a 1080p DLP TV. Here are my specific questions.

In regards to lossless audio, I believe BD movies (that feature lossless audio) can output PCM audio over HDMI to the 805 which can both receive and play it. I also believe the XA2 can output TrueHD and DTS-HD audio over HDMI 1.3, and the 805 can both receive and play it. Is this all correct? Am I still required to use the 5.1 analog audio out on the XA2 to get HD audio? Or are those irrelevant if I have a HDMI 1.3 receiver?

If I set everything up right, how will I KNOW the receiver is playing the lossless audio like PCM and TrueHD that I aim to hear? Is there a display notification that illuminates?

I read that the 805 features the Faroudja chip. I'm pretty sure I understand correctly that the XA2 has a better upscaler installed. If I send the XA2 through the receiver, will the Faroujda mess with or downgrade that signal? How will it know to just pass it through?

What about the PS3 and HDTV signal I have passing through the Onkyo. Will the Farouja affect those images positively or negatively?

Is the 805 enough for this? The only things that jump out at me for my needs with the higher models are the Reon processor and the full 1080p conversion from all sources. I don't believe I need the Reon if I'm upscaling my standard DVDs in my XA2. The full 1080p upconversion would be NICE, but I don't think I need it for an additional $500. My whole 5.1 speaker system was only $2000 (not trying to brag or complain-- just comparing the ratio of speaker investment to a/v receiver investment). I wouldn't need the full 1080p upconversion since my PS3 and XA2 already output in 1080p, right? So it would only affect my TV watching. As I asked earlier, would the Faroudja chip affect my TV watching positively or negatively?

One final silly question to top it all off. I've been reading about the possibility of Firmware Upgrades. How does one upgrade the firmware in a receiver like this?

I can't thank you all enough for the information you provide. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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It appears that only the 905 had the usb connection for playing mp3's. Is that correct? Also, only the 905 has the ethernet connection? I think these two items would be a huge benefit and I can't understand why they aren't included on at least the 875. I am newbish, but I am pretty sure these capabilities are included on much cheaper receivers than these. The convenience of just throwing a usb memory module full of music onto the receiver seems like a big plus.
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I think the ideal route to scaling standard def DVD would be using HDMI out of the player into the Reon receiver...

My best bet is probably to stick with the 981 then, but just set it to output at 480p? Or will the Faroudja 480i->480p and Reon 480p->1080p be worse than a Faroudja 480i->1080p?
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What are the benefits of the HQV processor included in the Onkyo 875 and 905? If I connect my satellite HD box to the Onkyo with HDMI and then another HDMI cable from the Onkyo to the tv, will the picture be cleared up as best as possible? Meaning eliminating mosquito noise and macroblocking ,and just improving the hd picture as a whole? Any info on this would be grateful. If the 875 can do this, then it is mine!
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In regards to lossless audio, I believe BD movies (that feature lossless audio) can output PCM audio over HDMI to the 805 which can both receive and play it. I also believe the XA2 can output TrueHD and DTS-HD audio over HDMI 1.3, and the 805 can both receive and play it. Is this all correct? Am I still required to use the 5.1 analog audio out on the XA2 to get HD audio? Or are those irrelevant if I have a HDMI 1.3 receiver?

I don't know much but in my own opinion, if you get the choice of analog already decoded sound and passing the digital bit to the receiver so that he decode and then play it. I would take the digital bit any day. We will know for sure when theses units hit the streets and some sound professionnal do studies on the sound that come out. Until then, I would assume the analog sound moving thru a cable can be affected by interference and distortion won't sound nice when amplified at the end of the line and thrown to the speaker. I hear static just thinking about it. Why decode it before the end? Is'nt that the reasons for all theses nice baby we got released soon?
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If I set everything up right, how will I KNOW the receiver is playing the lossless audio like PCM and TrueHD that I aim to hear? Is there a display notification that illuminates?

Yes you will know, if you look at the pictures of the front of the unit,
it will look like this
With the TX-SR700 I have, you can 'toggle' in what mode you are in with the Display button of the remote.
1-Input/volume
2-Sound type/speaker config
3-Input/Sound type

But fear not, like you see in the linked picture, there is always a very small red sign that indicate the exact sound type the receiver is currently playing. And you heard a small click if it change (as at the start of a dvd, the sound can switch from pcm 2.0 to dolby digital 5.1 or dts...

Seem the higher up of these new receivers had their display put on 2 lines instead of one, good thing.
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I read that the 805 features the Faroudja chip. I'm pretty sure I understand correctly that the XA2 has a better upscaler installed. If I send the XA2 through the receiver, will the Faroujda mess with or downgrade that signal? How will it know to just pass it through?

What about the PS3 and HDTV signal I have passing through the Onkyo. Will the Farouja affect those images positively or negatively?

Is the 805 enough for this? The only things that jump out at me for my needs with the higher models are the Reon processor and the full 1080p conversion from all sources. I don't believe I need the Reon if I'm upscaling my standard DVDs in my XA2. The full 1080p upconversion would be NICE, but I don't think I need it for an additional $500. My whole 5.1 speaker system was only $2000 (not trying to brag or complain-- just comparing the ratio of speaker investment to a/v receiver investment). I wouldn't need the full 1080p upconversion since my PS3 and XA2 already output in 1080p, right? So it would only affect my TV watching. As I asked earlier, would the Faroudja chip affect my TV watching positively or negatively?

Well, I'm not certain you will be able to bypass (but from what I've seen in the 674 thread, there is a few options that can be disabled) but it will surely make a lot of sense. You would'nt want 3 layers doing pictures conversion now do you? You got the PS3 conversion, that bring anything to the resolution you choose. 480i is'nt an options, so there is surely a conversion there. The receiver would do his pictures analysis on top of that and then the display panel? Some LCD have quite a bit of processing going on already so they can be delayed quite a bit from the sound for example. The sony XBR 1080p line can disable all processing if the input is already in 1080p HDMI, so if the receiver do the same, the pictures will be processed only once by the one doing the 1080p. It would'nt work any other way. Don't worry, it's for the best, not for the worst.

From what I read, Faroudja is not the greatest while HQV
praise themselves as the best of the best (which seem to be thru). But I'm wondering what the effect will be if the deinterlacing has already been done from the PS3 (that only output in 480p minimum). The basis of the Reon chip is that it has a very smart deinterlacing process that most other chip will panic as soon as motion appear. My TV used to panic as soon as the cable set up box has some action coming in because of the very heavy compression, not that was awful.
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One final silly question to top it all off. I've been reading about the possibility of Firmware Upgrades. How does one upgrade the firmware in a receiver like this?

From what I heard, firmware updates for theses will only be done by the support centers when a specific issues arise. But since everything (except the Reon) is mostly static hardware components, there won't be much to upgrade. It's not like hi-def disk players that will get their keys revoked with each new Disney titles you rent and pop in. New functionnality won't come thru software since the hardware will be quite soldered...
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