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Just pre-ordered my 805. They said it would be a couple weeks. I'm #8 out of 12. Got it for.....well signifinetly less than the MSRP. I wouldn't want to get my cyber hand slapped you know.


Who did you preorder it through? Was the deal you got on it similar to what others are getting on the 605?
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mmm... good news... a couple of weeks will be mid May
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Who did you preorder it through? Was the deal you got on it similar to what others are getting on the 605?

Similar in relation to MSRP.
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Well, after reading this entire thread (my eyes hurt), I have decided to pull the trigger on the 605 (my first actually). I've been holding off on the whole home theatre thing, but had been looking at the refurb 604s not too long ago. When I say this thread today, I had to jump.

Even though this isn't the correct thread for this question - what is a reasonable set of speakers to put with this? I'm looking to spend about what I spent on the 605 for a full set. Or am I asking too little? I want to compliment the system I guess - not go too cheap, but not get something that is way overkill for this system. Any advice is greatly appreciated as I'm new to all of this and want to learn more.

/me shrinks back to the n00b corner.
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Well, after reading this entire thread (my eyes hurt), I have decided to pull the trigger on the 605 (my first actually). I've been holding off on the whole home theatre thing, but had been looking at the refurb 604s not too long ago. When I say this thread today, I had to jump.

Even though this isn't the correct thread for this question - what is a reasonable set of speakers to put with this? I'm looking to spend about what I spent on the 605 for a full set. Or am I asking too little? I want to compliment the system I guess - not go too cheap, but not get something that is way overkill for this system. Any advice is greatly appreciated as I'm new to all of this and want to learn more.

/me shrinks back to the n00b corner.

Check out this thread in 'Home Theater in a Box'. This should help you out a lot.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=10392238
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Video processing is getting better and better..
Keep in mind that video processing includes much more than just upscaling..
Since silicon technology continues to advance just like PCs..
With the availability of faster processors with wider bandwidths, more power is available...

The quality and delivered visible video performance can be very different from 1 processor to another..
For example..
Which upscaling would one assume looks better..
The 1080 upscaling done via a commodity price-point DVD player on a 32 bit processor selling for $149 vs. the 1080 upscaling done via a dual core 64 bit processor in a high performance video processor or pro HD display...
Kinda like trying to run Vista on a Pentium 3.. Good luck
Now maybe one can understand all of the internal hoopla @ Intel regarding their Media Centers and Oplus..

Along with the upscaling spec/performance..
There are multiple additional crucial video performance parameters of edge-correction, temporal noise reduction, pixel generation, film edit modes, 3:2 film detection, 2:2 cadence detection, adaptive image contrast and color spectrum control.. Also their performance is largely dependent upon the noise floor and quality of the incoming native video stream, such as performance with a well-mastered DVD compared to off-air video stream can be very significant..

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Ok, but the question is can the HQV Reon in the Onkyo 875 improve the picture quality from HD satellite channels or HD cable channels? We all know that there are problems with noise and macroblocking..etc on hdtv channels, so can all those problems be fixed when putting it through the 875's Reon? I want to get the best PQ from hdtv channels.

Thanks to anybody who answers this
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Ok, but the question is can the HQV Reon in the Onkyo 875 improve the picture quality from HD satellite channels or HD cable channels? We all know that there are problems with noise and macroblocking..etc on hdtv channels, so can all those problems be fixed when putting it through the 875's Reon? I want to get the best PQ from hdtv channels.

Thanks to anybody who answers this

On paper, yes it should make a noticeable difference. Here is a link to everything the Reon chip is supposed to do. Most of your HD broadcast is in 1080i and will benefit from superior deinterlacing to 1080p. It also has noise reduction which should help some of the common compression noise from broadcast. I haven't seen the result myself and the chip is fairly new.

http://www.audioholics.com/news/pres...l-reon-vx-chip
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Just pre-ordered my 805. They said it would be a couple weeks. I'm #8 out of 12. Got it for.....well signifinetly less than the MSRP. I wouldn't want to get my cyber hand slapped you know.

You don't have to list the price but you can say who you preordered from, if you don't mind.
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On paper, yes it should make a noticeable difference. Here is a link to everything the Reon chip is supposed to do. Most of your HD broadcast is in 1080i and will benefit from superior deinterlacing to 1080p. It also has noise reduction which should help some of the common compression noise from broadcast. I haven't seen the result myself and the chip is fairly new.

http://www.audioholics.com/news/pres...l-reon-vx-chip

Thanks a lot. This is very good news. It looks like I'll be getting the Onkyo 875!
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Thanks a lot. This is very good news. It looks like I'll be getting the Onkyo 875!

Me too, it bites having to wait until June though considering I'm currenly receiverless.

It's going to be a long and painful wait for me, especially since I just purchased the Epson Powerlite Pro Cinema 1080 along with the Rotel RB-1080 amp and I'm dying to get everything up and running.

Damn I shouldn't have solf off my Pioneer Elite so soon. lol

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What are the benefits of the toroidal transformer in the 905 over the 875?

Will the Reon make it unnecessary to add on an Algolith flea or PixelMagic Eligio noise reduction unit?

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The 805 is not listed as having the bridgeable Amp section like the 875 and 905, but from the rear pic of the 805 here there are marks cleary dipicting where to hook the speakers to the corresponding channels fot the BTL Function.

Anyone heard whether or not that they can push a 4 ohm load with BTL turned on?
I would like to be able to run a pair of Magnepan 1.6Qr's off of the REceiver. It would be nice not to have to buy somehting like the Emotiva LPA-1 IF I can run them off of the 805/875/905.

Where are the DVD-A,SACD,BD,HDVD formats dead?
In the content or in the players?
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...along with the Rotel RB-1080 amp

What are the benefits of a separate amp? Doesn't the Onkyo 875 have the power to amplify a nice high or mid end speaker system? Also why Rotel? Are they reliable? Sorry for the newbie questions, cause I'm still learning.
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I want to buy a Sharp LC-37D62 too...

Toooooo much money $$$$$$$$$$$

and a Toshiba XA2.. more money $$$$$$$$$$

and... and.... I need $$$$$$$
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Check out this thread in 'Home Theater in a Box'. This should help you out a lot.

(link removed due to my post count)


Thanks! And thanks to everyone else for all the questions/answers in this thread.
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!) I only have a 1080i HDTV, so de-interlaced 1080p is out for me. So what other benefits would I gain from the Reon in the 875?

2) I have an Oppo970 DVD player already sending 1080i via HDMI. Would I want the 805 to alter that signal in any way? If so, how? Would it be better to have the player send 480p to the receiver, thus letting the receiver do the upconversion rather than the player?

3) What other newly released receivers are most comparable to the Onkyo 805?

The 805 is REALLY calling my name... (I guess that means that it's time to kiss my wife's arse for a little while! )
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!) I only have a 1080i HDTV, so de-interlaced 1080p is out for me. So what other benefits would I gain from the Reon in the 875?

2) I have an Oppo970 DVD player already sending 1080i via HDMI. Would I want the 805 to alter that signal in any way? If so, how? Would it be better to have the player send 480p to the receiver, thus letting the receiver do the upconversion rather than the player?

3) What other newly released receivers are most comparable to the Onkyo 805?

The 805 is REALLY calling my name... (I guess that means that it's time to kiss my wife's arse for a little while! )

i like that strategy lol.

yes Dear!!!!!! Good luck!!
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For the purposes of this discussion, we're going to assume Onkyo properly implemented the ReonVX in their design...

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!) I only have a 1080i HDTV, so de-interlaced 1080p is out for me. So what other benefits would I gain from the Reon in the 875?

Yes, if you have a STB that can output 720p channels natively as 720p. The ReonVX will do a better job of converting 720p to 1080i than your STB and display.

If the ReonVX is properly implemented, 480i -> Onkyo will yield a superior picture to almost every upscaling player on the market, outside of the Denon 2807 (and up), Toshiba HD-XA2, and Samsung BD-P1200.

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2) I have an Oppo970 DVD player already sending 1080i via HDMI. Would I want the 805 to alter that signal in any way? If so, how? Would it be better to have the player send 480p to the receiver, thus letting the receiver do the upconversion rather than the player?

The ReonVX does better scaling than the chip in the Oppo 970HD. You would get the best quality output by setting your 970 to output 480i to the ReonVX, rather than 1080i.
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Just pre-ordered my 805. They said it would be a couple weeks. I'm #8 out of 12. Got it for.....well signifinetly less than the MSRP. I wouldn't want to get my cyber hand slapped you know.

What color did you pre-order? They come in black and silver. Actually, what color is everyone here planning on getting....just wondering.
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What color did you pre-order? They come in black and silver. Actually, what color is everyone here planning on getting....just wondering.

Whatever color is avaliable first, I'm desperate

Making the most out of what I got.
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So am I. Think there is a way J&R will let me pre-order with American Express Rewards Points?
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I've left a message for my Onkyo rep, I have several questions to ask him regarding this new line. I specificially want to know if it does any post processing to LPCM, DD, & DTS signals. As soon as I get a response I'll let you guys know.

Making the most out of what I got.
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For the purposes of this discussion, we're going to assume Onkyo properly implemented the ReonVX in their design...

Yes, if you have a STB that can output 720p channels natively as 720p. The ReonVX will do a better job of converting 720p to 1080i than your STB and display.

If the ReonVX is properly implemented, 480i -> Onkyo will yield a superior picture to almost every upscaling player on the market, outside of the Denon 2807 (and up), Toshiba HD-XA2, and Samsung BD-P1200.

The ReonVX does better scaling than the chip in the Oppo 970HD. You would get the best quality output by setting your 970 to output 480i to the ReonVX, rather than 1080i.

Thanks for the info, but I think I confused everyone with my lame questions. The first question WAS specific to the 875, but the other was concerning the 805. I'm leaning more toward the 805 for financial reasons, so I'm wondering if the 805 can ALSO upscale better than my Oppo970...? (The 805 lacks the ReonVX, right?)

1) Will the 805 upscale better than my Oppo970?

2) If so, if I have a PS3 and Oppo970 DVD going to the 805, what res should I send to the receiver from each device?

3) Is it better to run Optical Audio -and- HDMI to the receiver, or will HDMI do just as well by itself?

4) Which other new receivers are comparable to the Onkyo 805?

Thanks again.. sorry for my noobness!
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For me was the question: Is it worth the $500-$600?

You know my answer. (cross my fingers )
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I believe the 805 only upconverts, not upscale
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I've been getting lot's of PM's with the same question, so I thought I should post the answer in the thread. The question is: "Are these new receivers that much better than what's already out there?" My answer is simple, yes and no .

Yes, because these receivers will be trend setters. The ability to decode DTS-HD Master audio and Dolby TrueHD is very exciting. The 875 and 905 are ground-breaking products due to their use of the Silicon Optix chipset.

No, because DTS-HD Master and Dolby TrueHD mean nothing if you don't have a compatible hdmi 1.3 hd-dvd or blu-ray player. Even then, that still may not be enough. hdmi 1.3 blu-ray players require firmware updates to send these signals via bitstream. HD-dvd discs cannot be currently passed via bitsream due to disc restrictions. Now that these receivers are starting to hit the market Studios will most likely add the ability to their discs to be sent raw to the receiver for decoding (who knows how long that will take).

Bottomline, don't be shocked if you're not able to start enjoying DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD right away. HD-DVD players (except for the Xbox 360 add-on) do atleast have internal decoding for Dolby TrueHD, but no players on the market can decode multi-channel DTS-HD Master Audio.

So there's my opinion on the matter in a nutshell.

P.S. I don't mind the PM's

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Let me ask you this lrstevens421. Right now if you had $1k-1.5k to spend on a receiver and you did not have any atm what would you do?
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This has been an extremely informative thread. And great timing, as well, as I have been looking over 3 HMDI input receivers, and all were well over the $1000 mark. Now the 705 looks like a pretty sweet setup.

I just need to double confirm that I can do preamp out, so I can keep around my B&K AV5000II amplifier.
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