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whsbuss 04-10-2007 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Zigor View Post

Hello,

From the specs I see these main differences:

605 vs 705:
-Audyssey 2EQ vs MultEQ XT
-Xirius vs THX Select2
Price difference is $300. Is Audyssey MultEQ XT worth it?

705 vs 805:
-50 Mhz vs 100 Mhz
-Burr-Brown 192/24-bit DAC on all Channels (TI Architecture (PCM1796))
-More inputs
-More power
-3rd zone
-THX Ultra2
Price difference $200. What advantage has 100 Mhz vs 50 Mhz? What is Burr-Brown?

805 vs 875:
-Faroudja DCDi vs HQV Reon-VX Video Processing and NSV Precision Video
-Dual Push-Pull Amp with 3 stage inverted
-More inputs
-More power?
Price difference $600. What is the dual push-pull amp? How does it improve quality? Is the HQV Reon-VX far superior than Faroudja? Any comparison?

The 705 also has 3 HDMI inputs vs only 2 on the 605.

DaveFi 04-10-2007 09:27 AM

The fear now is that with lower priced receivers like the 605 offering full decoding support, Sony won't honor their promise and upgrade the PS3 to decode it internally.

donricouga 04-10-2007 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

The fear now is that with lower priced receivers like the 605 offering full decoding support, Sony won't honor their promise and upgrade the PS3 to decode it internally.

This could be true. Since i recently purchased a marantz sr7001 i'm still looking for the firmware upgrade for the ps3 to decode DTS HD MA. I am very impressed with the list of features and badging these receivers have. The much cheaper TX-SR705 has more features(minus the number of hdmi inputs) than my marantz sr7001.

Despite the impressive features the onkyo 705 and up have, i probably would never compare the quality of sound to a marantz or harman kardon receiver.
To me, after listening to several onkyos, it seems this company is going for a more quantity over quality motto. Who knows though, these new receivers might have improved sound over the previous models but at these prices, I doubt it.

Honestly, who all here would buy this receiver if it didn't decode DTS HD MA ?
I highly suggest you don't blind buy any of these till at least hearing them. After hearing the tx-sr674 and tx-sr804, i wasn't too impressed with the sound quality so hopefully these new ones will be better.
Just my 2 cents

DigitalfreakNYC 04-10-2007 11:15 AM

Will the 605 have the pass-through to upgrade all to HDMI out?

DaveFi 04-10-2007 11:19 AM

don, there is something to what you say. Now that I have my Onkyo 604 hooked up, I'm quite suprised how it sounds a little more "tinny" than the my previous receiver, which was a Pioneer.

Maybe I need to adjust it a little more (it could be the auto-setup EQ), but right now, it's about the same, but not as good as the last Onkyo I owned, which was about 4-5yrs ago.

SPK8000LG 04-10-2007 11:25 AM

Anyone know of a FAQ that explains everything you guys are talking about, I'm now very confused 0.o

bwclark 04-10-2007 11:42 AM

What kind of OSD for these new units?

On Screen Display??

bfdtv 04-10-2007 11:54 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zigor View Post

705 vs 805:
-50 Mhz vs 100 Mhz
-Burr-Brown 192/24-bit DAC on all Channels (TI Architecture (PCM1796))
-More inputs
-More power
-3rd zone
-THX Ultra2
Price difference $200. What advantage has 100 Mhz vs 50 Mhz? What is Burr-Brown?

The DACs convert the digital audio inside the receiver into analog signals for amplification and output to your speakers. The Burr-Brown PCM1796 parts provide higher quality conversion.

The 50MHz vs 100MHz refers to the bandwidth of the component switching. Analog connections like component are not lossless, so there will always be some amount of picture degradation when using component video switching. Higher bandwidth component connections reduce that picture degradation, particularly with 1080p signals. For example, if you are using 1080p component output from an Xbox360, you would want the model with 100MHz component switching.

Quote:


805 vs 875:
-Faroudja DCDi vs HQV Reon-VX Video Processing and NSV Precision Video
-Dual Push-Pull Amp with 3 stage inverted
-More inputs
-More power?
Price difference $600. What is the dual push-pull amp? How does it improve quality? Is the HQV Reon-VX far superior than Faroudja? Any comparison?

If properly implemented, then yes, HQV Reon-VX processing is far superior to Faroudja. Faroudja is the sort of processing you find in most $1000-$1500 LCDs and $100 DVD players. HQV is the sort of processing you find in $8000 to $15000 displays and $800-$2000 DVD players.

If you have a display with above average (or better) video processing, the Faroudja units will probably degrade your picture quality. In contrast, if properly implemented, HQV will significantly improve your picture quality. Presumably, Onkyo will provide the option to disable the video processing, as you would probably want to do if you bought one of the units with Faroudja.

In the off-chance that someone from Onkyo is reading this thread, please make sure that your TX-SR875 and TX-NR905 pass the tests on the new Silicon Optix HQV HD-DVD (Blu-ray version coming soon). This high-definition test disk is currently available to press and manufacturers by request. Simply testing with the older HQV DVD -- the SD version of the tests -- is not adequate to ensure a quality implementation.

Bradad 04-10-2007 12:20 PM

You would think with these being advertised that Onkyo's HD DVD player is just around the corner as well.

shakini 04-10-2007 12:46 PM

Do you think, if I bought the 505 and hooked up a Toshiba HD-A2 to it and that decoded the True HD soundtrack and sent it to the 505 via HDMI as LPCM, that the 505 would also apply the Bass management correctly for the LFE? Right now I have the XR57 and that can't apply BM on the LFE, so I'm getting little to no bass - if this receiver could do that then this would be ideal! Any ideas anyone?

Shakini.

SED <--- Rules 04-10-2007 01:17 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

The fear now is that with lower priced receivers like the 605 offering full decoding support, Sony won't honor their promise and upgrade the PS3 to decode it internally.

Wait a minute here. Even if the Onkyo 605 offers full decoding support, the PS3 has to be updated so we can enjoy DTS-HD MA? I thought that since the Onkyo supports HD MA, we will be able to have it without any firmware updates on the PS3. Help me out here guys!

lance_60031 04-10-2007 01:28 PM

For real -- do the control knobs - tuning volume have any back lighting? If they do not it will be real easy for me to slide this one in and remove the SR573 and the little women will never know and save me a discussion.

Goatspeed 04-10-2007 01:30 PM

I'm 100% interested in the 905 as my current receiver is the TX-NR901. I love Net-Tune. That list says "WMA" but I presume it will still have good old net tune and support MP3's eh? I would absolutely love it if Onkyo made it support Ogg Vorbis, Flac, MP3, and WMA.

Bryan Lyle 04-10-2007 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by lance_60031 View Post

For real -- do the control knobs - tuning volume have any back lighting? If they do not it will be real easy for me to slide this one in and remove the SR573 and the little women will never know and save me a discussion.

The 674 has the backlight and you can turn it off... Don't ask me why I know that

bfdtv 04-10-2007 02:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by SED <--- Rules View Post

Wait a minute here. Even if the Onkyo 605 offers full decoding support, the PS3 has to be updated so we can enjoy DTS-HD MA? I thought that since the Onkyo supports HD MA, we will be able to have it without any firmware updates on the PS3. Help me out here guys!

The Sony PS3 must be updated to output the Dolby Digital Plus, DTS-HD MA, and TrueHD bitstreams over HDMI. This is a relatively simple task compared to adding built-in DTS-HD MA decoding. Said a different way, the PS3 hardware is HDMI 1.3, but at the moment, the PS3 software only supports HDMI 1.1 features.

Sony will almost certainly offer HDMI 1.3 software support in a firmware update later this Summer, but whether they do so before the first AVS members get their hands on the new Onkyo or Denon receivers...is unknown.

jrgannon 04-10-2007 02:24 PM

804 vs 805

Originally Posted by jrgannon
FIRST TIME POSTER......BEWARE!!!

If the Toshbia A2 HDDVD player is HDMI 1.1 is it necessary for the 1.3 ver? ALSO If I don't need more than 2 HDMI inputs or more than a zone 2, is there any other reasons, besides the 25 wpc, to step up to the 805 vs 804? I was about 5 mins from clicking on an 804 for $654 shipped but stumbled across this site and now got the "bug". Its hard to keep up with all the changes since I bought my 747 almost 10 years ago.

Thanks, Jody
Quote:
Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

Your A2 will be fine with HDMI 1.1 as it mixes the TrueHDs PCM to the reciever. In the future players may send native TrueHD or DTS Master but right now I don't expct it to happen. If you haven't bought the AVR you might want to check out the features and see what's important to you. I generally like to buy the new stuff since there are likely to be less niggling things in the newest stuff. Either way you'll enjoy great sound and great video.

This being said, I'm posting because I'm having a hard time understanding the "NEW FEATURES" of the new receivers, and if they would even be realised with my current componets.

-Jody

sknyfs 04-10-2007 02:33 PM

I think its time to replace my 702. I got it from CC as a open box last year when my Sony died. I am looking at the 705 and I might just slide this into the rack "unnoticed".
Reason for unhooking, I am "dusting" the equipment, the bam!, replaced undetected.

When's the 705 coming out again, oh, anybody have a picture.

whsbuss 04-10-2007 02:41 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by sknyfs View Post

I think its time to replace my 702. I got it from CC as a open box last year when my Sony died. I am looking at the 705 and I might just slide this into the rack "unnoticed".
Reason for unhooking, I am "dusting" the equipment, the bam!, replaced undetected.

When's the 705 coming out again, oh, anybody have a picture.

Check back a few pages in this thread for a pic of the 705

EDIT: oops..... that's the 605. sorry.

MrFalconXBR 04-10-2007 02:49 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by shakini View Post

Do you think, if I bought the 505 and hooked up a Toshiba HD-A2 to it and that decoded the True HD soundtrack and sent it to the 505 via HDMI as LPCM, that the 505 would also apply the Bass management correctly for the LFE? Right now I have the XR57 and that can't apply BM on the LFE, so I'm getting little to no bass - if this receiver could do that then this would be ideal! Any ideas anyone?

Shakini.

You'd have to get the 605. The 505 can't pull the audio off the HDMI. It's just a passthru. As far as the bass management, your guess is as good as mine.

whsbuss 04-10-2007 02:53 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFalconXBR View Post

You'd have to get the 605. The 505 can't pull the audio off the HDMI. It's just a passthru. As far as the bass management, your guess is as good as mine.

I believe if the audio is sent via HDMI instead of multi-channel you can apply the any of the sound settings the receiver is capable of.

Amon37 04-10-2007 02:58 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by bommai View Post

If you can hold off, I would return the Denon. The HDMI 1.3 and built-in decoder for Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD MA will at least let you listen to the new sound tracks in certain bluray movies. Also, there are 3 HDMI inputs in some of the new Onkyo receivers. PS3 does not yet have the DTS HD MA decoding and I don't know if it ever will. I have a Denon 2803 right now. I was tempted to get one of the HDMI 1.1 receivers but now I think I will wait a few months.


I think what he is asking and what I am wondering also is the denon887 will matrix 5.1 LPCM to 7.1 LPCM and accept 7.1 LPCM it doesn't say whether this Onkyo will do that.

If it can't then I'd be more apt to buy a Denon now.

Megalith 04-10-2007 03:14 PM

The PS3 ships with 1.3 hardware yet it's software is 1.1? Idiotic. Since Sony couldn't even integrate something as simple as custom XMB backgrounds, I'll assume the firmware will be updated to pass Master Audio when the PS4 can be preordered.

In any case, I am indeed worried from going to an Onkyo from an H/K. Onkyo is not the first company to come to mind when it comes to audio quality, but many say that their units have a neutral sound, as opposed to an H/K, which must be colored to some extent since they are quite obviously warm sounding. So maybe it won't be a bad swap afterall.

nilsp 04-10-2007 03:35 PM

The TX-SR875 looks like the real deal for me. It will be interesting to see the offerings from Denon, Yamaha and Pioneer compared to this. Maybe with this info, they will be forced to speed up their press-releases, at least to stop people from buying Onkyo?? One can always hope...

DaveFi 04-10-2007 04:13 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

The Sony PS3 must be updated to output the Dolby Digital Plus, DTS-HD MA, and TrueHD bitstreams over HDMI. This is a relatively simple task compared to adding built-in DTS-HD MA decoding. Said a different way, the PS3 hardware is HDMI 1.3, but at the moment, the PS3 software only supports HDMI 1.1 features.

Sony will almost certainly offer HDMI 1.3 software support in a firmware update later this Summer, but whether they do so before the first AVS members get their hands on the new Onkyo or Denon receivers...is unknown.

Yeah, Sony promised they would do this, I'm just nervous that as the prices of the receivers come down with internal decoding, they will back off on making PS3 1.3 support a priority. Sony is not known for being forthright and their honesty (check the new Sony receiver thread to see what I mean).

Everyone who owns a HDMI 1.1/1.2a compliant receiver is going to be pissed if the PS3 can't decode the other formats like Sony promised.

WilliamG 04-10-2007 04:41 PM

Gawd. I JUST bought a Yamaha RX-V661, and somehow I found myself preordering a 605. I must be losing some marbles somewhere...

whsbuss 04-10-2007 04:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Amon37 View Post

I think what he is asking and what I am wondering also is the denon887 will matrix 5.1 LPCM to 7.1 LPCM and accept 7.1 LPCM it doesn't say whether this Onkyo will do that.

If it can't then I'd be more apt to buy a Denon now.

Well since I asked the original question, I agree. Most likely I will return the Denon tomorrow but I'm not feeling too good about it. There are no real specs yet on the Onkyo's so how can anyone really know what to expect.

Hope I'm not making a mistake.

Ohgami 04-10-2007 05:31 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by shakini View Post

Do you think, if I bought the 505 and hooked up a Toshiba HD-A2 to it and that decoded the True HD soundtrack and sent it to the 505 via HDMI as LPCM, that the 505 would also apply the Bass management correctly for the LFE? Right now I have the XR57 and that can't apply BM on the LFE, so I'm getting little to no bass - if this receiver could do that then this would be ideal! Any ideas anyone?

Shakini.

The 505 doesn't use the audio from HDMI. To do that you'd need the 605 and up. the only Audio options for the 505/575 is Analog 7.1 and SPDIF (Optical/coax).

Ohgami 04-10-2007 05:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by SED <--- Rules View Post

Wait a minute here. Even if the Onkyo 605 offers full decoding support, the PS3 has to be updated so we can enjoy DTS-HD MA? I thought that since the Onkyo supports HD MA, we will be able to have it without any firmware updates on the PS3. Help me out here guys!

No thye 605 will do the decode for dts-HD MA. I think you confused a poster who said he needed that update for his current NON dts-HD MA decoding reciever

Ohgami 04-10-2007 05:38 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by whsbuss View Post

Check back a few pages in this thread for a pic of the 705

EDIT: oops..... that's the 605. sorry.

The 605 and 705 Look Identical Just the 705 has a THX logo on it.

Prisoner655321 04-10-2007 05:57 PM

Does anyone know if it will be possible to override the upscaling? I've never seen how the upscaling receivers work in conjunction with the source components.

I'm considering the 805, but I currently use the Toshiba HD-XA2 to play SD-DVD. The upscaling on the player will be superior to the receiver. Does the player upscale HDMI inputs? Will this degrade my PQ? Is there a way to shut it down on one of the inputs, so I can have it running just for my cable/DVR input?

The audio codecs and the low prices sound great, but if its going to degrade my PQ, I think I'll just go with a Denon 2807, pass the True HD over PCM to the receiver and hope that someday soon, SONY adds DTS-MA to the PS3.

Any input would be appreciated.


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