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Observation: There is NO need (even if it costs Denon and ultimately the purchaser perhaps only $50) for that many legacy inputs -- without so many, it would give the real estate on the back much more room -- the thing is overcrowded with the legacy connects.

That may be true for you, that you may not need them. But it's also quite possible that there are other people who may indeed either need or want to have all those legacy inputs, and it may even be one of the reasons why they did or would buy it.
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The flexibility and customisation of the Denon is what won me over, the Audyssey appears to work brilliantly with some minor manual intervention, other than what I regard as crap remotes the Denon has most things we enthusiasts are going to need for quite a while to come I reckon.

Ditto on both points: Great flexibility..great customization. Horrible remote! I forgot to mention that awful Denon remote (the Integra's is far better), but I guess I assume most people use a better aftermarket universal remote with this type of equipment. If you buy the Denon, plan on it.
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I just got the Preamp, however I got an 1908 (ridiculous, I know) and the two remotes clash with each other!

I need to upgrade.
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That may be true for you, that you may not need them. But it's also quite possible that there are other people who may indeed either need or want to have all those legacy inputs, and it may even be one of the reasons why they did or would buy it.

I guess that some may need the six sets of component video inputs but it is doubtful IMHO that anyone needs 12 S-video inputs and of course, YMMV.

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Hi All,
We just got our AVP-A1HDCI two days ago. It replaced an aging B+K REF30. Instant sound quality bump, much more transparent and open sounding!

My question: The AVP has (3) XLR sub outputs. However in the speaker setup menu, it seems as though the X-Over Frequency is the same for ALL 3 subs. Is there a way to alter this, or do I have to get a commercial XLR active crossover? We have (4) subs, (2) 10" Velodynes for 150-80hz, and (2) 15" Velo's for 80-20hz. The room is a large acoustically engineered and isolated 14 seat dedicated home theater, floating floor + ceiling, membrane suspension walls, etc. Designed from the ground up as a very acoustically damp room. Built after our training course with Russ Herschelman @ Dolby in San Fran. It is wonderful, but requires massive amounts of power to play @ THX levels. We struggled for years trying to get subs that would play loud enough on the bottom end (20-80hz) while at the same time playing fast enough to pick up mid bass. The solution has been dedicated 2-way subwoofers (done in car audio all the time)

Anyways, does anyone know the best setup on the AVP to perform this?
I was thinking about setting the surround speakers to "small", X-Over @ 150hz (sending the 150-20hz) to the L+R subs, then using an active X-Over to split that signal between the 10's and 15's?

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I was thinking about setting the surround speakers to "small", X-Over @ 150hz (sending the 150-20hz) to the L+R subs, then using an active X-Over to split that signal between the 10's and 15's?

Thanks,

Colin

Hi Colin, this sounds like a sensible way to go. The AVP seems to have limited ways of configuring the 3 subs unfortunately, but at least it has 3 sub outs which are handy for some (I only have 2)

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I have a question, possible concern with the Denon AVP-A1.

The on-screen display for volume etc is not active on an xBOX and a Niveus PC. It is active on the Denon BD2500. All are at 1080p60. Connection is via HDMI to a 1080p DPI projector. All sources should be outputting RGB.

I couldn't seem to find any menu items that would affect this, or explanation in the manual, except indications that it should work. I definitely need to have the GUI active on all sources, not just some.
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is the avp-a1hd the same internally as the 5308ci, other than the obvious power amp section in the receiver? i am just wondering sonically, if one is superior to the other or if they are on par, with different features for different purposes (balanced outs, etc). thanks.

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is the avp-a1hd the same internally as the 5308ci, other than the obvious power amp section in the receiver? i am just wondering sonically, if one is superior to the other or if they are on par, with different features for different purposes (balanced outs, etc). thanks.

While close in feature set, consider that the AVP-A1HDCI costs more and doesn't have amps built in....

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is the avp-a1hd the same internally as the 5308ci, other than the obvious power amp section in the receiver? i am just wondering sonically, if one is superior to the other or if they are on par, with different features for different purposes (balanced outs, etc). thanks.

For starters the AVP is a balanced design - the AVR/AVC is not.
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I've been following your conversation about this, and then went and downloaded the manual for the 2500. Now I'm really confused! If you look at the sections on video and audio settings, it looks like pretty much like any other player, i.e., it can be set to output at selected resolutions, meaning it processes video, and it can be set to output bitstream OR PCM, meaning it decodes audio. How is that a "pure" transport? That looks like the same options my player has....

Someone else can correct me if I've got some details wrong, but this should be close enough:

It's a "transport" in that it doesn't do D-A conversion. For CDs, a transport just gets the digital signal off the disc, which involves some decoding/error correction work to get the on-disc signal into PCM format. The DAC converts that PCM to analogue. A "player" is a combined transport + DAC.

Similar but different for video.

Edit: sorry, just realised that you had written "it can be set to output bitstream OR PCM, meaning it decodes audio". Bitstream or PCM doesn't make it a "player"; a DAC, i.e. an analogue output, makes it a player. Cheers, Roger.
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Hi all,
I've sought a price for the unit at one retailer here in Hong Kong, and been given HKD48,500. That converts to around USD6,200 or AUD6,750 or GBP3,100.

Does anyone know if that's a reasonable price, whether in US, UK, Australia or HK?

Cheers,
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Roger

These units are RRP around $13000 in Australia - so your HK price is great - a couple of people in Australia have already gone the route you are thinking because of the savings available.

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Hi Stephen, thanks for the quick reply.

$13,000?! That's ludicrous. Bloody hell, thank I got moved up to HK a while ago :-)
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We do seem to get 'stung' by Denon importer here in Australia - Pioneer and Yamaha are more reasonable - for instance Yamaha are more competitive with their Z11 - 'only' $8000 here and the Yamaha dealers are also more likely to haggle (in my experience). The HK price is probably similar to the US price (RRP US$7000) but I don't think you can get black!
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Yes, most of the stereo stuff I have seen or bought here seems to be roughly US list price less 10-23% (well, 23% was the biggest reduction I've seen).

I've pulled the trigger on the AVP-A1HD. I didn't even ask what colour it is, and I can't say I'm fussed. It could be fluorescent pink for all I care - it's not going to be seen once the lights go out and the films start! :-)
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Hi all,
I've sought a price for the unit at one retailer here in Hong Kong, and been given HKD48,500. That converts to around USD6,200 or AUD6,750 or GBP3,100.

Does anyone know if that's a reasonable price, whether in US, UK, Australia or HK?

Cheers,
Roger

It seems good, but If we tried to import this into the UK we would be stung with 20% taxes which puts the price back to close what we would pay from a legitimate dealer. Also, how does the guarantee work and are firmware updates available? For Aus, I expect that this is a good option though, considering the ridiculous price of this unit over there
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...It could be fluorescent pink for all I care - it's not going to be seen once the lights go out and the films start! :-)

lol excellent!
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Hi All

I live in Hong Kong and picked up my AVP-A1HD for HKD47,000.
Please see this thread: http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?s...c=49831&st=260 for my comments (I'm Busdriver) if you're thinking of sourcing one from here. It's an impressive bit of gear, althought less user friendly than previous Denon's I've owned and the remote is absolute rubbish.
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I live in Hong Kong and picked up my AVP-A1HD for HKD47,000.

Aah, that HKD1,500 difference is the price I pay for being a chi sin gwei lo :-)
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Aah, that HKD1,500 difference is the price I pay for being a chi sin gwei lo :-)

A what?
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Roughly translated, it means a "crazy white guy" in Cantonese.

I probably meant that I'm "stupid" (not "crazy") for not doing enough (any) research to find out the right price of the unit in Hong Kong! But in the big scheme of things, that AUD200 difference is small change compared to the difference to the Australian price...
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Power is not just total number of watts though - in the high end realm look for amps that can double their wattage output when halving the ohms. Take a look at the Denon POA-S1 which is a good example - its a truly powerful amp, and is also my dream amplifier. It's about time they released a new version in my opinion.

250w @ 8Ω
500w @ 4Ω
1000w @ 2Ω
1400w @ 1Ω

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My amps are rated a little differently, but some of us consider them high end:
500w @ 2Ω
500w @ 4Ω
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is the avp-a1hd the same internally as the 5308ci, other than the obvious power amp section in the receiver? i am just wondering sonically, if one is superior to the other or if they are on par, with different features for different purposes (balanced outs, etc). thanks.

You'll find the answer to your question within this interview: http://www.listenup.com/content/part...dge.feb.08.php

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Aah, that HKD1,500 difference is the price I pay for being a chi sin gwei lo :-)

Hi Roger

I'm a roundeye as well. 3 out of the 5 shops that I found that could sell me one came down to HKD47,000 fairly quickly, but no amount of pressure would get any of them to go any lower.
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Hi Roger

I'm a roundeye as well. 3 out of the 5 shops that I found that could sell me one came down to HKD47,000 fairly quickly, but no amount of pressure would get any of them to go any lower.

Yep, I was referring more to the "chi sin" bit than the "gwei lo" bit, i.e. to my lack of nous in not searching further afield or pushing harder on the price!
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You'll find the answer to your question within this interview: http://www.listenup.com/content/part...dge.feb.08.php

Eric


thank you for the link, it explained what i needed to know.

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