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post #22831 of 22984 Old 02-08-2014, 09:54 AM
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It's hard to say too much without knowing which Pioneer you're comparing. First, ask yourself what can the Pioneer do better than the 805? The first thing that comes to mind for me is I don't think MCACC capability has caught up with the Audyssey MultEQ XT in the 805, let alone the XT32/SubEQ/DynamicEQ suite that you would get in a new Audyssey licensed product that's comparable to the 805.

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HUH??
The Ad\advanced MCACC by far surpasses that of the older 805 audyssey stuff. There are merely some differences
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An OPPO is a "deal at their price (as was the 805). Customer service is unequaled. Product quality also.

p.s., Dolby True HD & DTS-HD MA certainly show up on my 805. Have since I first played King Kong HD-DVD a lifetime (electronically speaking:)) ago...

Well..
I made the switch from the onkyo 705 to the Pioneer 1527-k and I'm not looking back at all!
The 705 certainly did TRUE HD, DTS-HD MA.. etc so the 805 should too. I will say though that I don't believe it to be accurate in some way as compared to the pioneer. It's so much clearer with the Pioneer.

There are a few differences with Audyssey and MCACC
MCACC doesn't let you adjust the subwoofer below 63 hz. You can't (easily) set up for multiple seating positions, and you can only set up for one cutoff as opposed to one cutoff for each channel. But.... the MCACC does a better job at setting up all else.

My only gripe with the pioneer is that switching inputs seems to take more time than with Onkyo. The Onkyo was pretty fast whereas the pioneer can take as much as a second to switch. That makes it a little tough when setting up a harmony remote.

Overall though I'm GLAD I made switch. The pioneer is a quality machine and it brings me back into today's world with its more advanced features. The added FRONT HEIGHTS channel makes it more interesting, the increased HDMI ports.... the 2 output option.....etc, all well worth the update!
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HUH??
The Ad\advanced MCACC by far surpasses that of the older 805 audyssey stuff. There are merely some differences

I know I shouldn't feed the troll...

"Advanced MCACC" appears to just be a PC based software that makes pretty graphs out of the data measured by the MCACC program within the receiver. it doesn't appear to actually help improve audible MCACC results. In terms of actual MCACC capability, according to the latest information I can find, it *still* doesn't provide any EQ for the subwoofer (the channel that typically gets the most benefit from EQ) and doesn't EQ any frequency below 65Hz in the main channels. It only measure the frequency response at one point in the room.

The Audyssey XT version used in the 805 builds its acoustic model of the room using up to 8 measurement points within the room. It's capable of applying EQ to all 7.1 channels from 20-20kHz. Pioneer makes no statements about the resolution of MCACC's EQ. That leads me to believe it's more like YPAO with fixed frequency points and adjustable Q versus Audyssey's thousands of data points used to manipulate frequency amplitude and time alignment.

While Pioneer was writing software to display graphs of MCACC data rather than improve MCACC itself, Audyssey has actually been increasing MutlEQ's capability. XT32's resolution is several times greater than 805's XT. SubEQ independently EQs two subwoofers simultaneously. And DynamicEQ is the only industry feature introduced since the 805 that currently tempts me to upgrade the 805.

Looking at what I just wrote, I'd actually readjust my assessment to say MCACC capability is probably more comparable to Audssey's 2EQ. Even then, 2EQ is capable of applying correction to all 7 main channels from 20-20kHz and uses 3 measurement points. Like MCACC, it doesn't correct the subwoofer.

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...DynamicEQ is the only industry feature introduced since the 805 that currently tempts me to upgrade the 805.

It is a wonderful feature and worth the upgrade...smile.gif
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I know I shouldn't feed the troll...

"Advanced MCACC" appears to just be a PC based software that makes pretty graphs out of the data measured by the MCACC program within the receiver. it doesn't appear to actually help improve audible MCACC results. In terms of actual MCACC capability, according to the latest information I can find, it *still* doesn't provide any EQ for the subwoofer (the channel that typically gets the most benefit from EQ) and doesn't EQ any frequency below 65Hz in the main channels. It only measure the frequency response at one point in the room.

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There are a few differences with Audyssey and MCACC
MCACC doesn't let you adjust the subwoofer below 63 hz. You can't (easily) set up for multiple seating positions, and you can only set up for one cutoff as opposed to one cutoff for each channel. But.... the MCACC does a better job at setting up all else.

Who's trolling?
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I switched my PS3 with my PS4 and then back. I setup the audio through the PS3 but now I keep hearing the clicking every time a movie starts and it does it four or five times. Does anyone remember what I need to do in order to fix this? I have the audio presets to "Last Valid" and for the life of me cannot figure this out. It happens anytime the screen goes blank when a movie starts. It used to change silently. Thanks for your help.

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Right now I have my 805 calibrated with Audyssey but I might try to calibrate the 805 with an spl meter just for the fun of it to compare.
If I try doing that will it mess up my current Audyssey setting? I know with the 805 there is no restore feature for Audyssey like with the current receivers.
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Right now I have my 805 calibrated with Audyssey but I might try to calibrate the 805 with an spl meter just for the fun of it to compare.
If I try doing that will it mess up my current Audyssey setting? I know with the 805 there is no restore feature for Audyssey like with the current receivers.

Once the calibration is done, can't you just use the test tones in the 805 to ensure that the primary listening position receives the 75Db level?

It's what I do, anyway.

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Once the calibration is done, can't you just use the test tones in the 805 to ensure that the primary listening position receives the 75Db level?

It's what I do, anyway.

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Yes I can however, I just want to calibrate without Audyssey to see how it may sound.
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Well, I was looking at the Oppo 103 to replace the PS3. Then I started doing searches on what could replace the 805, size wise. And then I found Denon, namely the X4000. I just pulled the trigger on one from the bay, an open box from One Call.

So my trusty 805 will, once the other unit arrives, go back into it's box and go up onto ebay. Or you could PM me if you're interested....

It's been fun, but that upgrade itch is too keen to ignore. Oh, and the Oppo is still in my future....

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Well, I was looking at the Oppo 103 to replace the PS3. Then I started doing searches on what could replace the 805, size wise. And then I found Denon, namely the X4000. I just pulled the trigger on one from the bay, an open box from One Call.

So my trusty 805 will, once the other unit arrives, go back into it's box and go up onto ebay. Or you could PM me if you're interested....

It's been fun, but that upgrade itch is too keen to ignore. Oh, and the Oppo is still in my future....

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I don't know the details of the X4000 since I am not looking to buy a new AVR, but I do see it mentioned a lot by people, so it must be the most popular unit right now.

Right now I am basically using my 805 as a power amp to drive my surround speakers. You can't even buy a high quality 7CH amp for the cost of what the 805 is worth now.
I see on Ebay that the very TOP value is around $300... yikes :-/

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While watching a movie today the screen started to flicker and became snowy but I still had audio. I went to the back of the 805 and wiggled the hdmi cable and picture came back on.
Could the cable be bad?
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^probably just started coming out of the socket. hdmi plugs and sockets are poorly designed and can easily become loose under certain circumstances.
I would just keep an eye on it and see if it does it again. if so then you might have a bad cable, or if the cable is weighing heavily on the socket, then the socket might not be able to effectively hold the cable in. most likely it was just a loose connection though.
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I don't know the details of the X4000 since I am not looking to buy a new AVR, but I do see it mentioned a lot by people, so it must be the most popular unit right now.

Right now I am basically using my 805 as a power amp to drive my surround speakers. You can't even buy a high quality 7CH amp for the cost of what the 805 is worth now.
I see on Ebay that the very TOP value is around $300... yikes :-/

Enjoy your new gear. wink.gif

The somewhat active, and descriptive, discussion about the Pioneer somewhat put me off of that one. I had seen some Refurbed X3000s up but they don't have pre-outs.

Like you, I use(d) the 805 to drive my rears, which are Wharfedale Evo 10s The front set are preamped out to my Emotiva UPA 5 (bi wired and bi amped R/L single amp C) The new unit will pretty much take over that role.

However, 3D pass thru, 4K pass thru, more HMDIs (not that I used all those on the 805 for a while) in and out and better on screen calibration will mean that this bit kit will last me a quite a while. And let's face it, we've all had the 805 for a while as well.

My one concern is that this is an open box unit. Who knows why the previous owner sent it back. Still, it being One Call, I have all the warranty rights.

Seggers

Just for giggles, here's the link. I didn't pay that price:

http://usa.denon.com/us/product/pages/productdetail.aspx?catalog=denonna_us&pcatid=avsolutions(denonna)&catid=2011incommandreceivers(denonna)&pid=avrx4000(denonna)
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Well, having had the X4000 out of the box and set up, I can only assume that the previous buyer had some sort of remorse. No such feelings here. My old 805 will hit the bay later today and this will be, most likely, my last post as an 805 owner.

I will keep a copy of the 1.08 and DSP upgrades for those that might need them. PM me.

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Why are you selling the 805? It's a classic AVR. Onkyo, or any manufacture actually, doesn't make amps as powerful as the 805 was for its price.

It's a collectors item. Keep it.

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Why are you selling the 805? It's a classic AVR. Onkyo, or any manufacture actually, doesn't make amps as powerful as the 805 was for its price.

It's a collectors item. Keep it.

So that's great. And what am I supposed to do with it? I prefer the idea of selling it on and recouping some of the outlay for the Denon.

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On a different track, I received a PM about the firmware and DSP update files. Am I right in remembering that the 1.01 FW required the Dongle in order to update the unit? If so, did anyone see the going of it?

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The X4000 is a 7.x channel receiver, capable of 9.x DTS Neo:X with 2 channels of external amplification. The 805 would be great for that. The 805 also has a beefier amp section than the X4000. You could use the 805 for more than 2 channels which would allow the Denon to off load some of the chores to the 805. Even if you only desire 7.x channels, I would use the 805 for the front three and the X4000 for the other four. I have the Denon 4520 and I'm using one of my old 805's to drive 5 out of 11 channels for DTS Neo:X 11.2 surround. Just a thought, before you give away your 805.
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My first 805 had 1.01 firmware and it did require the dongle. I think I still have it laying around here somewhere.
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HI guys.
I am having a problem with my headphone input on 805.When I plug the headphones in main speakers are cut off, but no sound in my headphones.
Anyone had the same problem?
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Indeed, any 805 with Main Updater 1.0 required a dongle. I am still offering the one and only dongle I have left (several went missing rolleyes.gif) via the deposit system

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1013565/firmware-update-requests-for-onkyo-integra-please-read/5520#post_21420908

Comes complete with Tspeer's firmware update CD and the DSP CD

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Hello everybody. I have'nt been around for a while due to unforseen circumstances. Anyway, I'm posting here hoping that someone may be able to help. I just got a HTR508 reciever which has developed a really bad problem. I get absolutely no power going through the unit, not even a standby light. I have a very small bit of electrical component knowledge so aint to afraid to try this myself. I checked the fuse in it which is okay, other thatn that I'm a bit lsot as to which way next. If anybody could maybe just point me in a direction I would be very grateful.

 

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Crapp! Whats going on here. I think I double posted. Sorry for that, mods please delete my post here!

 

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Guys, I lost audio and on screen menu, I've heard this is an hdmi capacitor issue that is repairable like the other models, has anyone successfully performed the repair and able to repair my board. I'll pay for all the parts and labor
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Guys,

Can the 805 handle multichannel pcm? I am trying to bypass hdmi for the video. Going from bluray straight to projector.

Then from the bluray, going to the receiver via hdmi (oppo 103 has dual hdmi) for sound. The 805 flickers so bad, its not worth using for video any more. I want to buy the oppo unit but just making sure it works in this fashion smile.gif.
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Can the 805 handle multichannel pcm? I am trying to bypass hdmi for the video. Going from bluray straight to projector.

Then from the bluray, going to the receiver via hdmi (oppo 103 has dual hdmi) for sound. The 805 flickers so bad, its not worth using for video any more. I want to buy the oppo unit but just making sure it works in this fashion smile.gif.

Yes, it can. Multichannel PCM no problem. You can also bitstream.
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Yes, it can. Multichannel PCM no problem. You can also bitstream.

Thanks. I like the 805 so I am not upgrading until it dies:p I already fixed the display issue on front of the unit with the soldering of new resistor.
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The 805 is the most powerful receiver I have ever had. No need to replace it with a weaker one with all new features I won't use. If there is a receiver that matches or surpasses it for power then I will jump on it.
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Hey all.

I was given one of these receivers but it doesn't stay on.

I took the case off and looked around a bit. All the fuses seem to be in tact.

There are 4 fuses on the left side board that are white though, is that normal?

When I take off the red and yellow ribbon off the same board the receiver stays powered on.

Any ideas on how to trouble shoot the problem?

 

Here's a picture of the yellow/red/black ribbon that when removed the unit works::

 

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