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post #23101 of 23128 Old 11-14-2014, 04:00 PM
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1. On the front panel of your 805, behind the door, when using the HDMI connections, set the [HDMI Out] button (HDMI Monitor) to 'Yes'. ...By pressing it repeatedly. .... (Page 47 in your 805's manual).

2. Check page 28 in your manual: Video Connection Formats --> For optimal video performance, THX recommends ...

3. Set the Immediate Display (OSD Setup) to 'Off' (page 97).

4. a) Set the Control (for CEC HDMI) to 'Disable' (page 99).
b) Set the Power Control (CEC RIHD-compatibility) to 'Disable' (page 99).
c) Set the TV Control (RIHD-compatible TV) to 'Disable' (page 100).

5. Set the HDMI Audio to 'Off' (page 99).

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Don't, ever, in any circumstances, Bi-amp your two main front speakers (page 23).
{With any receiver, not just the 805.}

♦ Set the Speaker Impedance to '6ohms'. ...Always (page 45).

♦ Set the Speakers Type to 'Normal' (page 45).

*** => Keep external fans on top of both your 805 and 828 receivers. This is an Onkyo's requirement, no matter what.
Curious, why not bi-amp the front? Please be specific as possible?
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I have a chance to pick up the Onkyo 905 for $300 and the 805 for $275. The 805 was just serviced vs no service for the 905. Which one should I pick?

Thanks,
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Bi-Amping: Page 23 in your Onkyo 805's instruction manual.

* Your Polk RTi12s; what are there true measured impedance, from a graphic chart? ...20Hz to 20 kHz.
...And their true measured sensitivity (in-room response)? ...And their power response?
...And their total harmonic distortion over the full audio spectrum? ...In corresponding to their power response.

I am not a Polk speaker expert, I just know that some
of their models require ample power to make them sing properly.
...Just like some Paradigm speaker models...eg.; the Paradigm Reference Studio 100s.
And I would never bi-amp my Studio 100s with my Onkyo 805, never! ...But I would add another external amp to do so, for the low frequencies, and use my 805 to power the higher frequencies. ...The Studio 100s are simply power hungry. ...They want a lot of current to play sweet music in someone's room. ...400+ watts, no sweat.

The Onkyo, as good and powerful as it is, is still only a receiver with only two primary caps rated @ 15,000uF each (71 Volts I believe ... Yes 71 Volts, I just checked.).
I actually do not know the impedance curves for the RTi12s. I read them once but decided the worst thing that could occur was that a fire started in my AV room = a new AV room = no downside
But seriously, I have had speakers rated at 4ohms and never broke a sweat with any amp I've owned. The only thing I ever burned out was a Polk (BTW: not married to Polk, just coincidence) sub the first time I played the FotR extended version when Sauron explodes after Isildur cuts off the Ring. I just decided that I had the extra amps so I'd give the speakers what I could... so far, so good (and believe me, I'm still knocking on wood as I type this).

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I have a chance to pick up the Onkyo 905 for $300 and the 805 for $275. The 805 was just serviced vs no service for the 905. Which one should I pick?

Thanks,
What service???

905 for $25 more... If the 905 works, get it. If not, get the 805.

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What service???

905 for $25 more... If the 905 works, get it. If not, get the 805.
I've been told the 805 was checked by a local electronics repair shop (backed by a receipt mainly replaced caps and cleaning).

So 905 then. Thank you.
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I've been told the 805 was checked by a local electronics repair shop (backed by a receipt mainly replaced caps and cleaning).

So 905 then. Thank you.
I think you should wait for a couple more inputs from other posters before making the decision (unless there's a chance you'd miss both deals)... I'm just saying I'd go for the 905 in that situation, as long as the 905 is operating according to Onkyo specs.

Regardless of which you get, be sure to read both threads about use and especially extra cooling fans on the case.

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Curious, why not bi-amp the front? Please be specific as possible?
♦ Just read few posts back, and check page 23 in your 805's manual. ...You might be fine to do it,
but then you might not.

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I actually do not know the impedance curves for the RTi12s. I read them once but decided the worst thing that could occur was that a fire started in my AV room = a new AV room = no downside
But seriously, I have had speakers rated at 4ohms and never broke a sweat with any amp I've owned. The only thing I ever burned out was a Polk (BTW: not married to Polk, just coincidence) sub the first time I played the FotR extended version when Sauron explodes after Isildur cuts off the Ring. I just decided that I had the extra amps so I'd give the speakers what I could... so far, so good (and believe me, I'm still knocking on wood as I type this).
♦ I applaud your "no-afraid" approach and your risk level. ...And your sense of humor too.
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I have a chance to pick up the Onkyo 905 for $300 and the 805 for $275. The 805 was just serviced vs no service for the 905. Which one should I pick?

Thanks,
If you get a warranty with it, fine. ...If not forget it. ...Say 90 days.
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If you get a warranty with it, fine. ...If not forget it. ...Say 90 days.
No warranty. I really like older receivers with beefy power supply but don't want to risk my $300
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If you don't want to risk your money, then you'd be better off staying far FAR away from Onkyo.
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^I think $300 is a fair deal on and 805/905, but not really a steal (based on current resale values)...
it certainly IS worth that much generally speaking.
It's kind of a tough call though, because for current owners, we know how good the 805 is and if there is no NEED
to upgrade for additional features, you won't find any better AVR with the features the 805 does have.
On the other hand, if you are looking for a new avr and can actually spend more than $300,
you may be better off putting that $300 toward something new that comes with a full warranty in case something happens to it.
It would be a shame if you spent the money on a used one, and then it went belly-up in 3 months.
Current owners don't have that issue since they already own it... if it keeps going, great...
but if it breaks, we may say we got our moneys worth out of it.
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^I think $300 is a fair deal on and 805/905, but not really a steal (based on current resale values)...
it certainly IS worth that much generally speaking.
It's kind of a tough call though, because for current owners, we know how good the 805 is and if there is no NEED
to upgrade for additional features, you won't find any better AVR with the features the 805 does have.
On the other hand, if you are looking for a new avr and can actually spend more than $300,
you may be better off putting that $300 toward something new that comes with a full warranty in case something happens to it.
It would be a shame if you spent the money on a used one, and then it went belly-up in 3 months.
Current owners don't have that issue since they already own it... if it keeps going, great...
but if it breaks, we may say we got our moneys worth out of it.
Thanks for this! Just also read the Pioneer B-Stock available thread and scratch my head now!
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No warranty. I really like older receivers with beefy power supply but don't want to risk my $300
Some older Sansui and Pioneer and Marantz and Kenwood stereo receivers would fit the bill.
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Some older Sansui and Pioneer and Marantz and Kenwood stereo receivers would fit the bill.
So I scored the 905 with six month warranty from a local repair shop for $280. So far so good. It's got the firmware version 1.08 and dsp 2223a.

Thanks everyone.
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So I scored the 905 with six month warranty from a local repair shop for $280. So far so good. It's got the firmware version 1.08 and dsp 2223a.

Thanks everyone.
IMHO, that was the call to make... congrats

p.s., don't forget the fans!
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So I scored the 905 with six month warranty from a local repair shop for $280. So far so good. It's got the firmware version 1.08 and dsp 2223a.

Thanks everyone.
That is awesome man! ...You can't ask any better than that; crank it up!
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As promised, here's the tutorial to the display burnout fix.
Disclaimer: Doing this will probably void your warranty. It's not 100% that this will fix your burned out display as there might be other reasons for it. If you do this and fail to fix it, sending the unit back to onkyo might be a risky proposition.
There's high voltage within this unit, so be careful when navigating it and not to get shocked! Ground yourself!

Things you'll need:
-Two 10-ohm 1W resistors; obtained at your local radioshack. The original 805 resistors are 1/4W I believe, which explains their early burnout.
-small plier
-A soldering iron; can also be obtained at your Radioshack.
-Solder; preferably a medium-small diameter
-A pencil or marker to mark orientation of cables so you can plug them back in.
-A basic knowledge of soldering. This is very important as it is the most difficult of the procedure. You can accidentally burn your board if not careful. Youtube soldering to learn basic skills. I suggest you practice soldering on some old PCB's that you have lying around.

Step 1: Open your 805 chassis. If you look at your unit from its rear, you'll notice a green PCB (board) at the top left corner.


Step 2: Notice the hi-lighted components. You will need to unplug the 3 cables. You'll also need a plier to squeeze those white retention pins at the corners. Take note of the circled resistors.
HUUUGE thank you to Cambrian for posting this fix! the display in my Integra DTR-7.8 went out about two years ago and I finally decided to either try to fix it or move onto something else. Took my first shot at soldering and it worked like a charm!!
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Amazing that this thread is still going strong. I haven't been here in years but have recently come across an issue that has me looking for advice. The 805 has been a trooper and I've had no issues since the last firmware upgrade years ago. Yesterday I added an Xbox One to my system which has caused a problem. When switching from the Xbox One to my Tivo, the audio starts to cut in and out. Restarting the 805 and/or my TV won't correct it. I pretty much have to leave both devices off for a few minutes to get the sound to correct itself.

My guess is that it's a handshaking issue when switching streams from Xbox to Tivo. If I switch to an input with no source first, everything seems to work fine. So, Xbox > Tivo no good. Xbox >another input with no stream> Tivo seems to work.

Thoughts? Is there an newer firmware that may address this? I haven't updated in about 3-4 years???
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Need Help With TrueHD

I've had this receiver for a few years now and I absolutely love it. It brings a depth to the sound I never heard before this receiver. I can't get the TrueHD light to show from my PS3 slim no matter what when playing bluray movies with TrueHD audio. I have the PS3 hooked to the 805 with hdmi and have went through the PS3 settings to be sure audio out is set to HDMI. What am I doing wrong?
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I've had this receiver for a few years now and I absolutely love it. It brings a depth to the sound I never heard before this receiver. I can't get the TrueHD light to show from my PS3 slim no matter what when playing bluray movies with TrueHD audio. I have the PS3 hooked to the 805 with hdmi and have went through the PS3 settings to be sure audio out is set to HDMI. What am I doing wrong?
In order to have the receiver decode the TrueHD audio, the player must be sending bitstream audio.
I don't have a PS3 so I don't know if perhaps maybe the PS3 might not have the ability to do that.
If it doesn't, you are probably still getting the TrueHD audio, but the PS3 is decoding it internally instead of the 805.
Either way it should sound the same.

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I've had this receiver for a few years now and I absolutely love it. It brings a depth to the sound I never heard before this receiver. I can't get the TrueHD light to show from my PS3 slim no matter what when playing bluray movies with TrueHD audio. I have the PS3 hooked to the 805 with hdmi and have went through the PS3 settings to be sure audio out is set to HDMI. What am I doing wrong?
Have you done everything listed here:
http://www.engadget.com/topics/hd/20...with-your-ps3/
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Have you done everything listed here:
http://www.engadget.com/topics/hd/20...with-your-ps3/

I tried everything on the page you posted before I posted on this forum. I did discover that when I played Jurassic Park 3 and chose that sound track from the disc options it finally showed on the receiver and the TV display. When I play the dark knight, it has this soundtrack listed on the box but I can't select it from the disc options and it won't play it.
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I tried everything on the page you posted before I posted on this forum. I did discover that when I played Jurassic Park 3 and chose that sound track from the disc options it finally showed on the receiver and the TV display. When I play the dark knight, it has this soundtrack listed on the box but I can't select it from the disc options and it won't play it.
The PS3 will decode it, you just won't have the lights on your receiver.

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First, the good news. What the PS3 can do is decode (unzip) the Dolby TrueHD / DTS-HD MA lossless audio and send it to your receiver as a multichannel linear PCM (LPCM) stream, which just about any modern receiver can decode. The LPCM audio is identical to the Dolby TrueHD / DTS-HD MA original format, so no quality is lost.

Now, the bad news. An annoying side effect of sending the "unzipped" LPCM rather than the "zipped" Dolby TrueHD / DTS-HD MA is that the receiver's Dolby TrueHD / DTS-HD MA indicator will not light up because it's not decoding Dolby TrueHD / DTS-HD MA -- the PS3 already did the decoding. Instead, the receiver will (correctly) indicate that it is receiving a LPCM signal.




That being said, the later PS3s can send the un-decoded file to your receiver, but you need to enable "Bitstream", and select Dolby TruHD, DTS-HD, etc in the settings.


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The PS3 will decode it, you just won't have the lights on your receiver.







That being said, the later PS3s can send the un-decoded file to your receiver, but you need to enable "Bitstream", and select Dolby TruHD, DTS-HD, etc in the settings.

Thanks, I thought maybe I was missing something with other people saying they had the lights on their receiver.
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805 as amp?

I'm considering a Denon X4000 again, but want to re-purpose my 805 as an amp. Truth be told I'm playing around with the idea of getting a miniDSP DDRC-88A for Dirac Live, and that requires an analog path in and out.

Having never run a pre-amp/amp system, I'm somewhat confused on how I would accomplish this...

So I would feed 7.1 from the X4000 pre-outs into the miniDSP, and then run from the miniDSP to the multichannel analog input of the 805?

Volume control--this is now handled by the 805, and not the X4000?

Does this mean features like Dolby Volume and Dolby EQ will no longer function correctly? The X4000 will have no idea what volume the material is being played at, correct?

What about running Audyssey on the X4000? Will it set a proper level in the above scenario? (I'm thinking this will be a 2-stage purchase, with Dirac Live coming later, so I'll want to use MultiEQ XT32 in the mean-time.)

Thanks for any assistance--I'd like to map all of this out in my head before embarking on a journey that paints me into a corner!
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^Sounds complicated and unnecessary to me.
If you have the X4000, why even use the 805?
If you are thinking the amp section of the 805 is better, it probably is,
but not to the point you would notice much difference between it and the X4000 for audio quality.
Your speakers would play a much bigger role in that scenario.
Not to mention the fact that running 2 AVRs is going to cost quite a bit more in electricity costs.
Personally I would just sell the 805 to help offset the cost of the X4000.
If you want better amps, you'd be better off adding some power amps and using the X4000 as a pre-amp in that scenario.
Only then you might see an improvement in sound quality, but that will depend on how good the amps and your speakers are.

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^Sounds complicated and unnecessary to me.
If you have the X4000, why even use the 805?
If you are thinking the amp section of the 805 is better, it probably is,
but not to the point you would notice much difference between it and the X4000 for audio quality.
Your speakers would play a much bigger role in that scenario.
Not to mention the fact that running 2 AVRs is going to cost quite a bit more in electricity costs.
Personally I would just sell the 805 to help offset the cost of the X4000.
If you want better amps, you'd be better off adding some power amps and using the X4000 as a pre-amp in that scenario.
Only then you might see an improvement in sound quality, but that will depend on how good the amps and your speakers are.
Sorry--I guess I should have been clearer.
In order to make use of Dirac Live, I need to come in 7.1 analog, and back out 7.1 analog, thereby necessitating a pre/pro type of setup as I'm assuming you can't "loopback" in the 805.

I don't yet have an X4000, but am hoping to pick one up for under $600 come boxing day. Selling the 805 would net me maybe $200--I can't buy that kind of amp stage back for $200. Disabling the HDMI on the 805, I can't see how it would cost me any more electricity than a separate amp of similar power...

Having never owned a pre/pro, I'm confused as to what controls the volume, and how things like Dolby EQ would work. Surely more of a general question than one specific to the 805, but I feel at home here among my 805 brethren, and the people here seem knowledgeable.
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Your plan is sounds; you have all the ingredients to proceed.

The Denon X4000W would be your main control center (AV Processor); master volume and all, the DRC-88A is your Live Room EQ, and your Onkyo 805 is the new Multichannel (7-channel) power amplifier. You got it, as shown above.

* Put the volume control of the 805 @ 0dB. ...And leave it there, always. ...All the channel trims too (@ 0 dB). ...In the 805.

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