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post #451 of 20285 Old 08-10-2007, 12:09 PM
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I think the problem is that terminology is used differently by different manufacturers.

Upscaling and upconversion happens when the source resolution is scaled to the output resolution. Ex: 480i to 1080p

Some manufacturers refer to transcoding as upconversion. Transcoding is when the receiver passes the source inputs to a single output. It's basically passing the native resolution. Ex: composite input (480i) to HDMI output (480i)

Actually going from 480i to 1080p you are deinterlacing and (up)scaling. As you said upconversion/transcoding is changing the format of the signal from one type to another, such as component to HDMI.
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Well....My 3808 and I were finally in the same place as of last night. I spent a few hours hooking everything up and called it a night as I didn't want to wake the whole house up with test tones. Got the setup done this morning and all my inputs set up.
Quick review is I love it, it sounds gorgious and I am all smiles. Plus this is a great excuse to watch all kinds of movies today and test this thing out. I am now realizing the awesome benefit of having all inputs go through the HDMI as my Sony Bravia has always had a little trouble picking up the input changes from my harmony. Now I just stay on the same input all the time! Got the 3808 working on the harmony with no issues. Sound wise, I think the sound is very crisp and pairs excellently with my Klipsch reference speakers. Its so great to hear the speakers come alive again after sitting dormant for 4 months (post my old pionner reciever dieing on me). Well...Off to go watch some more clips from great sound movies.
So far tested:
-Matrix (Various awesome scenes)
-V for Vendetta (end)
-Matrix Reloaded (Various awesome scenes)
-Cars
Next on the list:
-Spider Man 2 (powering up doc ocs machine)
-Star Wars Episode 1 (pod race action)
-Star Wars Episode 2 (Boba fetts sonic grenades)
-Jarassic Park (Enter the T-Rex)
as wlel as any other awesome sound tests I can think of.

Does anyone else have any suggestions, I have a lot of DVDs so I may have whatever movie you suggest.
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amjustice - how about music?
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Before it gets lost in this thread, can anyone post how the 3808ci handles upconversion/scaling of DVD's? My question is about pillarboxing 4:3 DVD's and how the receiver handles anamorphic DVD's.

A lot of TV's limit the aspect ratio control on 720p and 1080i sources.
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amjustice - how about music?

I don't have anything fancy to test, only CDs through the DVD player, iPod Dock, internet radio, etc. Haven't gotten to any of those things yet, anything you would like to know?
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I don't have anything fancy to test, only CDs through the DVD player, iPod Dock, internet radio, etc. Haven't gotten to any of those things yet, anything you would like to know?

Just your opinion on sound quality, though it's too late for me to do anything, the 3808ci is already ordered - which reminds me that I should check whether it shipped ...
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Before it gets lost in this thread, can anyone post how the 3808ci handles upconversion/scaling of DVD's? My question is about pillarboxing 4:3 DVD's and how the receiver handles anamorphic DVD's.

A lot of TV's limit the aspect ratio control on 720p and 1080i sources.

I second this question.

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I second this question.

Anyone know the answer?
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Its telling me my speakers are also out of phase and the distance measurements are so off anyone here have any tips for the set-up? does the auto set-up get bypassed when I correct the speaker config., levels, etc? this is getting to the point that I'm ready to return it and just go with the 5300

Denon told me to reset the unit, and use manual if I did not want the audessy feature.
For that to work they suggest putting the mike on a tripod and use 5 locations.
Besides phase it put a 10 notch on my main JBL dual 10" speakers at 80hz.
I did not care for this curve.
I will have more information on Monday after the NJ staff finish training on this unit.
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what if i only have 2 listening locations will it still give me better results if i place the mic in more locations.

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what if i only have 2 listening locations will it still give me better results if i place the mic in more locations.


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what if i only have 2 listening locations will it still give me better results if i place the mic in more locations.

What I did was place the mic in other key areas of the room (center), and also around my listening area (couch). I am very happy with the restuls!
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What I did was place the mic in other key areas of the room (center), and also around my listening area (couch). I am very happy with the restuls!

What video are you feeding it? SD or HD?


To everyone else.. has anyone fed the unit a SD signal and has not been happy with the output?? That is my biggest concern right now.. At this point I have a good amount of SD (Cable tv, DVDs, etc) material and I dont want to be disappointed with the HDMI output from the unit (upconverted to 1080p).. Do I have anything to be concerned about?? Thanks!!

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leedom, thanks for your reply. What other models will you consider when you head back to Magnolia?

I don't know. I really haven't done enough research yet and I don't know what Magnolia has to offer. There's also a local high-end audio place that I may visit.

I had sort of hoped that the Denon would just work out-of-the-box because it's big brother of the year before (the 5805ci) got such rave reviews. It may yet be possible to get the 3808ci to sound better -- it feels like it has a low-frequency cut-off enabled even in the Direct mode. I've been very busy at work, etc. and the livingroom is still something of a disaster from the equipment change over. I have yet to run the Audyssey setup or even look at the factory default speaker equalization curves.

Just to provide a bit of my personal background: prior to getting the Yamaha VX-1400 just before I picked up the 3808ci, all of my amplifiers were straight stereo amplifiers with no audio processing capabilities other than low/high frequency attenuation/accentuation knobs which I always left flat. I.e. I was an audio snot and video, 5.1 surround, blah, blah, blah weren't even on my map. Even now I still only have two large floor standing speakers (the Vandersteen 2Ci's) with no center channel, subwoofer or surround speakers. That will probably change but I'm still very interested in music. Film soundtracks are rarely as demanding as a high quality music recording.

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Wat crossover setting would you advise for my speakers for 3808

Front : Kenwood LS-V710
3-way 4 Speaker System [Magnetically Shield]
Woofer 200mm cone Type x2
Midrange 100mm cone type
Tweeter Linaeum Type
8Ω
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35Hz-30000Hz (Freq Response)
600Hz, 3000Hz (Crossover Response)


Center : Kenwood CS – V610
3-way 3Speaker System [Magnetically Shield]
Woofer 100mm cone Type x2
Tweeter Linaeum Type
8Ω
150w
80Hz-30000Hz (Freq Response)
1000Hz, 3000Hz (Crossover Response)


Surround: Kenwood RS- 610
2-way 3Speaker System [Dipolar Radiation]
Woofer 100mm cone Type
Fullrange 80mm cone Type x 2
8Ω
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2000Hz (Crossover Response)


What setting for my sub.

Sub
Velodyne
CHT-10R

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Just ordered mine today from Best Buy and got a 12% off coupon to boot with no interest until January 2009! Came out to under $1500 with tax. After returning the lip sync challenged Onkyo 805, I am really looking forward to getting this baby!
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Just ordered mine today from Best Buy and got a 12% off coupon to boot with no interest until January 2009! Came out to under $1500 with tax. After returning the lip sync challenged Onkyo 805, I am really looking forward to getting this baby!

Did they give you an idea as to what the expected delivery date is?
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I'm not sure about your area Best Buy, but the Magnolia store in CT isn't scheduled to receive them until 9/1.
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To everyone else.. has anyone fed the unit a SD signal and has not been happy with the output?? That is my biggest concern right now.. At this point I have a good amount of SD (Cable tv, DVDs, etc) material and I dont want to be disappointed with the HDMI output from the unit (upconverted to 1080p).. Do I have anything to be concerned about?? Thanks!!

To me there is only so much you can do with an SDTV signal. My friend has a DVDO VP50 and SDTV still looks crappy on his 70" Sony. If you are expecting SDTV to look awesome it just isn't going to happen. There will be a slight inprovement to what you have now but that is it. Since it sounds like you watch a lot of SDTV now, my guess is that you won't all of the sudden say to yourself I can't stand this quality and stop watching it.

As for SD-DVD quality, just go read some of the Oppo DVD player threads. It is basically the same chipset used on those that is in the Denon. There is a lot of people that love the Oppo players. It won't be as good as the Reon but, difference wont be night and day either.

Like I said in an earlier post, you can't go wrong with either the Onkyo or Denon. Both will get great reviews and both will have their plusses and minuses. If your number one concern is video and you don't already have a good DVD player than get the Onkyo. If you would use some of the added features of the Denon then get the Denon. No one on this board is going to be able to tell you which is best for you.
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The 4308's are good to go but the 3808 is not looking good. Very dissapointing, but at the same time, not surprising coming from Denon

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Well I've discovered a consistent 40-ish ms of lag in my Onkyo 875...since I play alot of 360/PS3 games online, this is not really an option.

In an effort to keep from reading 16 pages, can anyone with the 3808 confirm/deny (with any kind of actual testing) that the Denon does not have any lag?

Thanks

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Has anyone found a way to manually set the eq for different speakers.
I don't care for the odyssey curves, so I reset the unit. But I can only eq all the speakers, not individual?
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Just call ABT if you can't wait, they are an authorized dealer, they can give you a much better price than Magnolia and you can have it in a few days.

I got fed up with Magnolia changed my date to September 4th on Wed. Got fed up and bought from one call with 5 year warranty for less than what my preorder had been at best buy (which was a price match to J&R pre-order).
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Could any one shed some light on the best crossover setting for my speakers

Thanks alot
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Could any one shed some light on the best crossover setting for my speakers

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Well I've discovered a consistent 40-ish ms of lag in my Onkyo 875...since I play alot of 360/PS3 games online, this is not really an option.

In an effort to keep from reading 16 pages, can anyone with the 3808 confirm/deny (with any kind of actual testing) that the Denon does not have any lag?

Thanks

Do you still get that lag if you set the Xbox and PS3 to just pass-through the Onkyo? I have the Denon 4308 and also have a Xbox and PS3. I will see if I can test it out for you. Currently though I just have it passing through as I don't want the Denon to do any processing. I just let the consoles do it. But, I will turn on processing on the Denon is see if anything changes.
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it doesn't do it on mine, the 805 is a POS. I had mine for 3 weeks before I returned it to J&R, and from this experience, I will never buy any Onkyo product again!!!
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I just got my 3808ci set up. The remote takes time getting used to but after about an hour or so one gets used to it. I won't say it's bad-just takes time learning it. Its pretty cool with the GUI. Though they are some bugs I am pretty sure with the firmware updates they will be resolved. All in all a top class receiver. I am happy. I love the internet radio playing through my 7.1 setup.
I don't plan to use the 3808ci for VP as I have the 46 inch XBR4 coming in soon. The holidays have indeed come early this year.
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Do you still get that lag if you set the Xbox and PS3 to just pass-through the Onkyo? I have the Denon 4308 and also have a Xbox and PS3. I will see if I can test it out for you. Currently though I just have it passing through as I don't want the Denon to do any processing. I just let the consoles do it. But, I will turn on processing on the Denon is see if anything changes.

I get it even with the Onkyo set to pass through It's around 40ms. I am calibrating it/testing using the lag calibration tool in Guitar Hero II on the 360.

Thanks for the help!

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I'm not sure about your area Best Buy, but the Magnolia store in CT isn't scheduled to receive them until 9/1.

Thats not true for my magnolia ht, we got 2 recievers in today, i setup 1 in our smaller studio and this thing heavy... Over all the reciever looks great, i like the design compared to past years. the front lay out is the same as the past ones. Build quality looks improved over past years. I tested it out with a dvd using dts ,sounded awsome with the marting logan speakers and surprisingly it sound great with the vienna acoustic speakers as well considering they are a 4ohm speaker, direct tv sounded good with dolby digital, pirates of the carribean on blue ray sounded amazing! Over all im impressed with it...
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