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ListenUp is showing preorders start to go out from 3-6 August.

http://www.listenup.com/DENON+AVR-38...I-p-49908.html
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ListenUp is showing preorders start to go out from 3-6 August.

http://www.listenup.com/DENON+AVR-38...I-p-49908.html

Bah! Why can't it be here now!!!
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Can someone explain exactly what "3-source, 3-zone capability" means?

Does this mean only 3 of my sources can be multi-zoned (radio, TV/satellite, XM (which I don't have), Blu Ray player)? Do I have to choose the 3 or is that already defined?

Also, my understanding is that this can be 7 speakers total at one time, so either:
(A) Zone 1: 7.1
(B) Zone 1: 5.1, Zone 2 OR 3: 2 (or 2.1?)
(C) Zone 1: 3.1, Zone 2 AND 3: 2(or 2.1?) which would be good for music I guess.
Is this right?
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Can someone explain exactly what "3-source, 3-zone capability" means?

Does this mean only 3 of my sources can be multi-zoned (radio, TV/satellite, XM (which I don't have), Blu Ray player)? Do I have to choose the 3 or is that already defined?

Also, my understanding is that this can be 7 speakers total at one time, so either:
(A) Zone 1: 7.1
(B) Zone 1: 5.1, Zone 2 OR 3: 2 (or 2.1?)
(C) Zone 1: 3.1, Zone 2 AND 3: 2(or 2.1?) which would be good for music I guess.
Is this right?

Sounds complex to me , thought there waas extra speaker outs for other zones?.
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Can someone explain exactly what "3-source, 3-zone capability" means?

Does this mean only 3 of my sources can be multi-zoned (radio, TV/satellite, XM (which I don't have), Blu Ray player)? Do I have to choose the 3 or is that already defined?

Also, my understanding is that this can be 7 speakers total at one time, so either:
(A) Zone 1: 7.1
(B) Zone 1: 5.1, Zone 2 OR 3: 2 (or 2.1?)
(C) Zone 1: 3.1, Zone 2 AND 3: 2(or 2.1?) which would be good for music I guess.
Is this right?

You are confusing zones and amp channels. There are 3 zones (main, zone 2, zone 3) and there are 7 amp channels. Zone 2 and 3 have pre outs so if you have another amp or two, you can send the signal there to power the other zones. If you only use 5.1 in your main theater zone, my understanding is that you can use the 2 remaining amps to power a pair of speakers in Zone 2, but you would still need an amp for Zone 3. And I don't think your option C above is doable at all. Zone 2 and 3 are only stereo so there is no x.1 on either of those (at least that is my understanding).

The sources come into play when deciding what to listen to. You can setup "zones" with other amps, but if not a true "zoned" AVR, the same thing will play in all the zones at the same time. By having true zones, you can pick different sources for each zone. For example, you could be watching a movie in your main theater while the radio plays in the garage and a CD plays on the patio. (Again, this all assumes you have the power to run things).
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Three questions for Denon experts:

1. I own a Denon 3910 DVD player--in the past I have used the analog 5.1 for SACD. The 3910 has Denon Link capability but my old receiver did not. One of the reasons Im going to purchase the 3808ci is that I hope to use this "one" cable solution. What cable do I need the use Denon Link?

2. I am in the process of purchasing 5- PSB Platinum speakers that are rated 4 ohm (90db sens)--the only 3808CI receiver specs Ive seen say 130watts @8 ohms--any issues with this combo? I assuming it would read more watts into 4 ohms--right?

3.Uncompressed-full PCM lossless audio for movies using my Sony Blu ray player--is this as simple as setting the settings in the Blue Ray to 5.1 via HDMI ? in other words Im trying to get away from the 5.1 analog cables-i do NOT want to sacrifice any audio quality.

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Three questions for Denon experts:

1. I own a Denon 3910 DVD player--in the past I have used the analog 5.1 for SACD. The 3910 has Denon Link capability but my old receiver did not. One of the reasons Im going to purchase the 3808ci is that I hope to use this "one" cable solution. What cable do I need the use Denon Link?

2. I am in the process of purchasing 5- PSB Platinum speakers that are rated 4 ohm (90db sens)--the only 3808CI receiver specs Ive seen say 130watts @8 ohms--any issues with this combo? I assuming it would read more watts into 4 ohms--right?

3.Uncompressed-full PCM lossless audio for movies using my Sony Blu ray player--is this as simple as setting the settings in the Blue Ray to 5.1 via HDMI ? in other words Im trying to get away from the 5.1 analog cables-i do NOT want to sacrifice any audio quality.

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3. Just set the player to LPCM and you are all set with HDMI.
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Three questions for Denon experts:

2. I am in the process of purchasing 5- PSB Platinum speakers that are rated 4 ohm (90db sens)--the only 3808CI receiver specs Ive seen say 130watts @8 ohms--any issues with this combo? I assuming it would read more watts into 4 ohms--right?

You need to call Denon directly. There are people that have run certain 4 ohm speakers with no problems, but the Denons are only officially rated to 6ohms.

Less resistance means the amps have to work harder to supply the power needed which means they tend to heat up a little more. It can be done, but I would definitely call Denon first to confirm.
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my 3803 drove my psb speakers with no problem and the front speakers are 4 ohms. The 3808 will do it with no problem. Enjoy the great psb speakers

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my 3803 drove my psb speakers with no problem and the front speakers are 4 ohms. The 3808 will do it with no problem. Enjoy the great psb speakers


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ok so im looking into a few recievers. a few moments ago i decided to throw a curve ball into the mix by looking into the onkyo 905 model. it looks amazing for the cash. so i got a few questions for those who have compared the specs.

what will make the denon 3808 better then the onkyo 905?

what is the major differences in these receivers? does either of them have better features then the other ones?

im also looking into the yamaha 2800 so how does that stack up to the denon and onkyo?

any opinions or experiences will be welcomed. i know the best thing to do is listen for myself but im looking for others opinions at this point. im looking for people who are more experienced and can lead me in the right direction.

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ok so im looking into a few recievers. a few moments ago i decided to throw a curve ball into the mix by looking into the onkyo 905 model. it looks amazing for the cash. so i got a few questions for those who have compared the specs.

what will make the denon 3808 better then the onkyo 905?

what is the major differences in these receivers? does either of them have better features then the other ones?

im also looking into the yamaha 2800 so how does that stack up to the denon and onkyo?

any opinions or experiences will be welcomed. i know the best thing to do is listen for myself but im looking for others opinions at this point. im looking for people who are more experienced and can lead me in the right direction.


the onk 905 does look impressive on paper. to make a proper comparison you probably need to look at the 4308 vs the 905 or the 3808 vs the 875.

that being said i have been following the 875 thread as well as this one. it appears as though they have some problems. a clicking noise through the speakers associated with the ps3. 3 of the 4 owners so far have reported handshake issues. and they have discovered that all 4:3 material being upscaled to 1080 is stretched and they can't find a way to make it maintain its original aspect ratio.

hopefully these issues will be fixed on the 905. and of course the Denon models could have issues too when people start getting them in hand.

apparently the new onkyos do a pretty good job of scaling and deinterlacing but no one has ran the HQV test on them yet.

and i cant get anyone to speak about the sound of the onkyo vs the sound of a Denon. but people going from pioneer seem impressed with the onks sound.

i have always been told that onkyo's were bright sounding. and being a klipsch owner i don't need the sound any brighter. my current Denon pairs up well with the klipsch. if someone could compare the new onks sound to the Denon sound it would be helpful. especially if you own klipsch also.

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the onk 905 does look impressive on paper. to make a proper comparison you probably need to look at the 4308 vs the 905 or the 3808 vs the 875.

that being said i have been following the 875 thread as well as this one. it appears as though they have some problems. a clicking noise through the speakers associated with the ps3. 3 of the 4 owners so far have reported handshake issues. and they have discovered that all 4:3 material being upscaled to 1080 is stretched and they can't find a way to make it maintain its original aspect ratio.

hopefully these issues will be fixed on the 905. and of course the Denon models could have issues too when people start getting them in hand.

apparently the new onkyos do a pretty good job of scaling and deinterlacing but no one has ran the HQV test on them yet.

and i cant get anyone to speak about the sound of the onkyo vs the sound of a Denon. but people going from pioneer seem impressed with the onks sound.

i have always been told that onkyo's were bright sounding. and being a klipsch owner i don't need the sound any brighter. my current Denon pairs up well with the klipsch. if someone could compare the new onks sound to the Denon sound it would be helpful. especially if you own klipsch also.

Thanks for your input strutter, being a Klipsch owner myself (Reference 4s) this helps solidify my desision to stick with Denon. Now if Denon would just get the damn 3808 to Listenup so they can send it to me I would be a happy guy!
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You are confusing zones and amp channels. There are 3 zones (main, zone 2, zone 3) and there are 7 amp channels. Zone 2 and 3 have pre outs so if you have another amp or two, you can send the signal there to power the other zones. If you only use 5.1 in your main theater zone, my understanding is that you can use the 2 remaining amps to power a pair of speakers in Zone 2, but you would still need an amp for Zone 3. And I don't think your option C above is doable at all. Zone 2 and 3 are only stereo so there is no x.1 on either of those (at least that is my understanding).

The sources come into play when deciding what to listen to. You can setup "zones" with other amps, but if not a true "zoned" AVR, the same thing will play in all the zones at the same time. By having true zones, you can pick different sources for each zone. For example, you could be watching a movie in your main theater while the radio plays in the garage and a CD plays on the patio. (Again, this all assumes you have the power to run things).

Thought I would chime in....this unit will do:
3 source/ 3 zone powered when set for mono in zone 2 and 3

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Thanks for your input strutter, being a Klipsch owner myself (Reference 4s) this helps solidify my desision to stick with Denon. Now if Denon would just get the damn 3808 to Listenup so they can send it to me I would be a happy guy!

i have seriously considered getting an onkyo because of the reon chip but not if it means sacrificing sound quality. denon has historically been described as having a warm sound and everyone at klipsch forum agrees that denon and klipsch mate well together. wish i had a local shop that carries onkyo so i could try one out at home. if not i'll stick with denon. dang i wish they would have put a better video chip in the 3808 or 4308.

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Just picked mine up! Don't have time to connect it until this weekend.
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Just picked mine up! Don't have time to connect it until this weekend.

You picked up your 3808?
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Thanks all.

Maybe JayRay's 3803 did power his psb speakers at 4 ohm, but I know my 3803 did not power my DefTech speakers at reasonably high volume without the receiver going into shutdown mode. It wasn't until I did a bit of studying about 4 ohm speaker load and receiver shutdown combined with a recommendation for an external amplifier, McIntosh in my case, that the problem went away once and for all.

I haven't seen the back of a 3808, but my 3803 clearly says 6 to 16 ohms. Perhaps, the volume level is the difference here.
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Yes

I'm jealous, but on the other hand, that means more of us should start receiving ours soon also. Enjoy!
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Maybe JayRay's 3803 did power his psb speakers at 4 ohm, but I know my 3803 did not power my DefTech speakers at reasonably high volume without the receiver going into shutdown mode. It wasn't until I did a bit of studying about 4 ohm speaker load and receiver shutdown combined with a recommendation for an external amplifier, McIntosh in my case, that the problem went away once and for all.

I haven't seen the back of a 3808, but my 3803 clearly says 6 to 16 ohms. Perhaps, the volume level is the difference here.

So your Denon wouldn't work with your Def Tech speakers?
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3808ci is now on Denon's US website.
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3808ci is now on Denon's US website.

Finally, but if you click on the 3808CI or the link to learn more, it doesn't work (as of 6:20pm today).

I'm looking forward to the reviews!

Edit: 6:22pm...now it is working. LOL
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After skimming the Owner's Manual, it appears one cannot have any audio via HDMI output to Zone 2 or 3. I was hoping to be able to watch a baseball game (satellite DVR) in Zone 1 and also hear the audio in Zone 2.

Also, I think I have a better understanding of the Zone 2/3 stuff. The 4308 does allow 5.1+2, or 3.1+2+2 speakers without any additional amps, while the 3808 is only 5.1+2.
I only wish there wasn't such a large price jump between the 3808 and 4308.
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http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/AVReceivers.asp

The specs on the Denon site say the 3808 has WiFi and HD radio. Can anyone concur on these items?
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Does that sticker on the top left hand corner of the auxillary door peel off? I HATE IT...

Also, I noticed it says 'Suggested Accessories - Denon ASD-1R'... Now I know that would work with the receiver but I was under the impression that there would be new wireless Ipod docks????
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The specs on the Denon site say the 3808 has WiFi and HD radio. Can anyone concur on these items?


Yes! In a very special hidden menu all the features of the 4308 can be had in the 3808!

Major blooper on the part of Denon...........
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Yes! In a very special hidden menu all the features of the 4308 can be had in the 3808!

Major blooper on the part of Denon...........

DO TELL!

Oh wait, I'm guessing typos on Denon's part. I'm so gullible!
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Yeah...I looked over the manual on the site and it looks like they messed up and put it up wrong on the site. I also thought it was wierd they didn't have the Features or specs on the 3808 page.
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