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post #19231 of 20309 Old 01-28-2012, 02:33 PM
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Likely the second one although you could use the "Search This Thread" button to find out what others have posted in the thread as using.

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I ran Auydssey and forgot a few tweaks after it's done.
Please advise me of correct settings.

It showed my speakers LARGE, I changed to SMALL.

Room EQ -> "Audyssey" ((choices Audyssey Byp. L/R, Audyssey Flat, Manual, OFF))
Dynamic EQ -> ON
Dynamic Volume -> OFF

Crossover Freq. "40Hz" ((choices 40Hz-250Hz or Advanced))
I'm guessing Advanced:
Front 80Hz ((choices 40Hz-250Hz ))
Center 80Hz ((choices 40Hz-250Hz ))
Surround 80Hz ((choices 40Hz-250Hz ))
LFE 100 ((choices 40Hz-250Hz ))


EXT. IN SETUP
Subwoofer Level "+15dB" ((choices 0dB,5dB,10dB)) Seems high, but...

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All your settings look just fine the EXT IN thing only applies to the multich analog inputs. (see my website)

You can set Audyssey settings by source, eg you may want dyn vol on for some inputs but not others.

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Settings are all correct, although raise the LPF for LFE up to 120hz to let the full LFE (0.1) signal pass through to the AVR. Also, unless you are passing a 5.1 analog signal from a BDP/DVD player or other device, the EXT IN setting is not used.

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Hey, Trying to get a 3D pass solution using the Denon 3808 and Denon 1611.
Any ideas?

Split the HDMI signal from 1611 and send one to a splitter pass the 3808 chain and one to the 3808. Run coax to the amp for Sound on 3D. Split HDMI output (3808) cabel in two, have one input from amp and one from player.
If 2D then the amp will decode the soundtrack (HDMI) and send the picture.
If 3D. It get messy. HDMI will go to HDMI splitter from Player and go to splitter out of amp, then go to splitter by projector (running 2 projectors 1 for 2D, Cineversum Blackwing 3. 1 for 3D Benq W7000). My 3D will have to go througth 3 HDMI splitters. Ouch. Sound out of coax into amp.

Is this correct?

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dude, that's too messy. Just run HDMI to the display and digital audio to the receiver, or get a different Blu-ray player with dual HDMI outs if you care that much about lossless audio on 3D blu-rays.

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Hey, Trying to get a 3D pass solution using the Denon 3808 and Denon 1611.
Any ideas?

Split the HDMI signal from 1611 and send one to a splitter pass the 3808 chain and one to the 3808. Run coax to the amp for Sound on 3D. Split HDMI output (3808) cabel in two, have one input from amp and one from player.
If 2D then the amp will decode the soundtrack (HDMI) and send the picture.
If 3D. It get messy. HDMI will go to HDMI splitter from Player and go to splitter out of amp, then go to splitter by projector (running 2 projectors 1 for 2D, Cineversum Blackwing 3. 1 for 3D Benq W7000). My 3D will have to go througth 3 HDMI splitters. Ouch. Sound out of coax into amp.

Is this correct?

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batpigs right (as usual) and I do this using an Oppo BDP93, works a treat.

Perhaps another option is HDMI to yout 3D tv and analogue outs to the 3808?

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I have had my Denon for about 3-4 years now, and just today it decided to shut off. When I turn it back on it clicks on, then turns right back off. I unplugged everything and still doing the same thing. It is set as DVD when turns on.

Tried resetting the microprocessor and still turns right back on then off. Standby button just flashing.
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I have had my Denon for about 3-4 years now, and just today it decided to shut off. When I turn it back on it clicks on, then turns right back off. I unplugged everything and still doing the same thing. It is set as DVD when turns on.

Tried resetting the microprocessor and still turns right back on then off. Standby button just flashing.

That is what mine did after a lightning strike.

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That is what mine did after a lightning strike.

Did your's ever turn back on.

It resets just fine and everything on the screen shows up, but just turns right back off.
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Did your's ever turn back on.

It resets just fine and everything on the screen shows up, but just turns right back off.

No. Needed repair. I ended up ebaying it (after several attempts to fix it) and filed a home owner's claim. Bought a 4311.

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It's hot all over the top, which based on other cmments here indicates I need to move the sehlf above the AVR away and let more air in (or heat out). Both sides are also hot (although don't seem as hot as the top).

Will move shelf today and see how iot goes.

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did you solve your problem? On my 3808, and on my friend's 3310 and 3311 I have used a laptop cooling fan, purchased from Jaycar for about $15. USB powered, so it fires up whenever the amp is on - powered by the front panel USB plug. I place it on top of the amp, and it literally 'sucks' the heat out of the amp. Clear plastic so it doesn't look terrible either.

I hope the 3808 lasts a lot longer given the cooler (or less hot) internals.

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dude, that's too messy. Just run HDMI to the display and digital audio to the receiver, or get a different Blu-ray player with dual HDMI outs if you care that much about lossless audio on 3D blu-rays.

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batpigs right (as usual) and I do this using an Oppo BDP93, works a treat.

Perhaps another option is HDMI to yout 3D tv and analogue outs to the 3808?

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I don't care about lossless audio and the Oppo won't work for me. I have 3 blu-ray players into my 3808. Oppo BD 83, Denon and PS3. If the 10 meter cabel is being used straight from my 3D blu-ray player the other players won't have a cabel to use (1 cabel from the 3808). I think in my room it is going to impossible to run another 10 meter cabel up to the projector just for 3D.
Would a wireless HDMI solution work?

Is there another solution? I don't really want to shop for a new amp. I really like the 3808. However I think it might be the only solution.

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I don't care about lossless audio and the Oppo won't work for me. I have 3 blu-ray players into my 3808. Oppo BD 83, Denon and PS3. If the 10 meter cabel is being used straight from my 3D blu-ray player the other players won't have a cabel to use (1 cabel from the 3808). I think in my room it is going to impossible to run another 10 meter cabel up to the projector just for 3D.
Would a wireless HDMI solution work?

Is there another solution? I don't really want to shop for a new amp. I really like the 3808. However I think it might be the only solution.

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why not run component from 1 or 2 of your 3 BluRay players?
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why not run component from 1 or 2 of your 3 BluRay players?

No, that won't be good. I then will be downgraded to analogue.
I will also still have to run new cables.

This is what I have now:

I have Zone A and B blu-rays. I'm from New Zealand so we are Zone B.

I have a Zone A Playstation 3 USA
Zone A,B,C Oppo BDP-83 which I leave on Zone A
Zone B Denon 1611 Blu-ray.

If I want to watch Zone A. I put it in the Oppo. If I want Zone B
then I put it in the Denon. If I have a problem with a machine or Disc
one of the other players can do it.

All three players are inputted into the Denon 3808 using HDMI. I then
run a Audioquest 10 meter HDMI cable up to a Cineversum Blackwing 3
(JVC DILA projector) from the 3808.

I have recently purchased a Benq DLP 3D projector just to use on 3D.
So I was looking for a solution to use the Denon 1611 to feed it 3D.

The way I look at it I could do the following:

Feed the HDMI cable straight up to the Benq projector from the 1611
and plug a coax cable to the 3808. With this solution if I wanted to watch
2D from this or the other players I will have to grab the cable going from the
Denon player to the benq and re plug it back into the amp and Cineversum
Projector. Just the way I have it now. Not a good solution.

I could buy a new 3D capable amp. Don't really want to.

Send the Benq projector back and not worry about 3D. I am really
thinking about doing this. If I had to choose 3D or the 3808 amp. I
think the 3808 would win.

Some other solution of connecting the Denon 1611 to the Benq
and the amp for 2D and 3D. Like I previously posted below:
Split the HDMI signal from 1611 and send one to a splitter pass
the 3808 chain and one to the 3808. Run coax to the amp for Sound
on 3D. Split HDMI output (3808) cable in two, have one input from amp
and one from player.
If 2D then the amp will decode the soundtrack (HDMI) and send the picture.
If 3D. It get messy. HDMI will go to HDMI splitter from Player and go to
splitter out of amp, then go to splitter by projector (running 2 projectors
1 for 2D, Cineversum Blackwing 3. 1 for 3D Benq W7000). My 3D will
have to go througth 3 HDMI splitters. Ouch. Sound out of coax into amp.

Any ideas????

Ta Dono
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If adding a dual HDMI 1.4 BDP as suggested is out of the question, then passing on 3D is likely your only choice as anytime an HDMI switch/splitter is in the mix, it will always default to the lowest common denominator device connected, so if connected to both HDMI 1.3 and HDMI 1.4 devices, a full 1080p 3D video signal will not pass.

Although you didn't mention an HTPC in the setup, using a Blu Ray capable HTPC (with some EDID modifications) connected to the 3808CI may allow you to pass 3D video through the 3808CI.

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If adding a dual HDMI 1.4 BDP as suggested is out of the question, then passing on 3D is likely your only choice as anytime an HDMI switch/splitter is in the mix, it will always default to the lowest common denominator device connected, so if connected to both HDMI 1.3 and HDMI 1.4 devices, a full 1080p 3D video signal will not pass.

Although you didn't mention an HTPC in the setup, using a Blu Ray capable HTPC (with some EDID modifications) connected to the 3808CI may allow you to pass 3D video through the 3808CI.

Thanks JDSmoothie. Thanks for all your help everyone.

I've made up my mine. The 3808 and 2D wins. I've spoke to the shop and I am returning the Benq 3D.
With my 2D setup at the moment everything is easy and user friendly. I haven't had a fault with HDMI handshakes at all. I will stick with that. May look at it again in a few years but will factor in a new receiver.

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Hello fellows I have the following problem. I use my PC like a Music server. It is wired to my d-link router and from there to my Denon 3808. I use my Denon 3808 network capabilities to access my entire music library. My library is organized as follows folders of bands/albums/mp3 320 kbps songs. My PC runs Winows XP Service pack 3 and Media player 11 as it was required from Denon.
It happens some of the songs I am trying to play to block the receiver. On the display shows name of the song + 0:00 like minutes and seconds and I can't move from there even if I switch to a different input source or trying to go back in the menus or even switching off the receiver. The only one thing to works is to change the way receiver gets IP address from DHCP on to off or opposite and then I can access net/ usb feature as normal.
I do reset the microprocessor and have one of the latest firmware versions. Always have the same problem with certain albums. Help will be much appreciated resolving this irritating issue.
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sittodorov, Other than mobile devices you should hard code everything with fixed ip/dns/gateway. You mentioned your PC and AP/Router is hard wired. How does the 3808 connect?

I have my PC & AP/Router upstairs. I have cat-5 running to the family room fished next to a HVAC duct. I have a old Linksys WRT45GS running DD-WRT. Wifi+DHCP is off and it has a fixed IP in the same range as the main AP/Router. I then plug the 3808, PS3, NAS and TV into the router.

When streaming HD Vids to the PS3 I was getting random stutters. Really bad when running the Linksys firmware. Much better when running the DD-WRT firmware.

The key to no stuttering? 100HalfDuplex which is not the default. Most folks run full duplex. I used the builtin PS3 network test and then the exact same videos that were causing stuttering. When streaming 99.9% of the data is going 1 direction.
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sittodorov, Other than mobile devices you should hard code everything with fixed ip/dns/gateway. You mentioned your PC and AP/Router is hard wired. How does the 3808 connect?

I have my PC & AP/Router upstairs. I have cat-5 running to the family room fished next to a HVAC duct. I have a old Linksys WRT45GS running DD-WRT. Wifi+DHCP is off and it has a fixed IP in the same range as the main AP/Router. I then plug the 3808, PS3, NAS and TV into the router.

When streaming HD Vids to the PS3 I was getting random stutters. Really bad when running the Linksys firmware. Much better when running the DD-WRT firmware.

The key to no stuttering? 100HalfDuplex which is not the default. Most folks run full duplex. I used the builtin PS3 network test and then the exact same videos that were causing stuttering. When streaming 99.9% of the data is going 1 direction.
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Thanks for the quick reply CHuntMD,
My Denon 3808 is hard wired to my d-link router by Cat-5e I guess. And don't get me wrong It's working perfect except for some of the albums (like 5% of my entire library) in my library. I am wondering how denon handles the ID3 tags of the mp3 songs and could this be the the problem. I tried to remove the problematic albums and add them again but the issue persist. Any ideas? Thanks again.
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Thanks for the quick reply CHuntMD,
My Denon 3808 is hard wired to my d-link router by Cat-5e I guess. And don't get me wrong It's working perfect except for some of the albums (like 5% of my entire library) in my library. I am wondering how denon handles the ID3 tags of the mp3 songs and could this be the the problem. I tried to remove the problematic albums and add them again but the issue persist. Any ideas? Thanks again.

This is probably a dumb suggestion, but are the problematic albums in the same format as the ones that play.

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This is probably a dumb suggestion, but are the problematic albums in the same format as the ones that play.

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Blairy thanks for the response. All my music is the same format. I am pretty audio oriented so all my music is converted to mp3 320 kbps (suiting best for me regarding quality and space) and organized as bands/albums/songs. What I am thinking is to start digging into my mp3 ID3 tags so if there is somehow different formats I will try to correct it but still if somebody has suggestions please share it.
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Hello fellows I have the following problem. I use my PC like a Music server. It is wired to my d-link router and from there to my Denon 3808. I use my Denon 3808 network capabilities to access my entire music library. My library is organized as follows folders of bands/albums/mp3 320 kbps songs. My PC runs Winows XP Service pack 3 and Media player 11 as it was required from Denon.
It happens some of the songs I am trying to play to block the receiver. On the display shows name of the song + 0:00 like minutes and seconds and I can't move from there even if I switch to a different input source or trying to go back in the menus or even switching off the receiver. The only one thing to works is to change the way receiver gets IP address from DHCP on to off or opposite and then I can access net/ usb feature as normal.
I do reset the microprocessor and have one of the latest firmware versions. Always have the same problem with certain albums. Help will be much appreciated resolving this irritating issue.
Thanks in advance.

Not sure if it's the same problem or not, but I've been having sporadic symptoms like this for a little while.

It's happened on both "music server" (I use Twonky) and internet radio stations. Can't say that it's been consistent with any specific song since it hasn't happened enough to establish any pattern. I can say that it's happened on more than one internet radio station.

Only thing that fixes it is a microprocessor reset (small button). Since a microprocessor reset forces a network reconnection and IF this is what clears the problem, changing DHCP settings would do the same. I find microprocessor reset easier.

FWIW I always leave the network settings hardcoded and keep DHCP off.
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Thanks for the reply davelr,
I have hard wired set with DHCP off as well, but I found now that a lot more albums give me problems that I thought. I am trying to figure out any pattern but nothing logical so far. First I have full back up of my library on external powered hard drive. I changed the location for the music library on Windows media player and I checked if it's the same story. So guess. It was same story. So I decided to make fresh rip on one of the albums giving me trouble. Bingo. Everything back to normal. Having more than 600 CD's to rip will be pain and the worst is there is no logic I can find so can try working it out. Cheers.
Still open for different thoughts and ideas.
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sittodorov, Other than mobile devices you should hard code everything with fixed ip/dns/gateway. You mentioned your PC and AP/Router is hard wired. How does the 3808 connect?

I have my PC & AP/Router upstairs. I have cat-5 running to the family room fished next to a HVAC duct. I have a old Linksys WRT45GS running DD-WRT. Wifi+DHCP is off and it has a fixed IP in the same range as the main AP/Router. I then plug the 3808, PS3, NAS and TV into the router.

When streaming HD Vids to the PS3 I was getting random stutters. Really bad when running the Linksys firmware. Much better when running the DD-WRT firmware.

The key to no stuttering? 100HalfDuplex which is not the default. Most folks run full duplex. I used the builtin PS3 network test and then the exact same videos that were causing stuttering. When streaming 99.9% of the data is going 1 direction.
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If setting it to 100/HD fixed your issue, then the issue was most likely due to the fact that you had a duplex mismatch (full on one side, half on the other)

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Thanks for the reply davelr,
I have hard wired set with DHCP off as well, but I found now that a lot more albums give me problems that I thought. I am trying to figure out any pattern but nothing logical so far. First I have full back up of my library on external powered hard drive. I changed the location for the music library on Windows media player and I checked if it's the same story. So guess. It was same story. So I decided to make fresh rip on one of the albums giving me trouble. Bingo. Everything back to normal. Having more than 600 CD's to rip will be pain and the worst is there is no logic I can find so can try working it out. Cheers.
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Ouch! Yeah, I use MediaMonkey to rip to flac files and everyonce in a while there are "less than perfect" rips with skips, etc. Good luck.
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A little late but I found some times if the album art is embeded in the tag and is of a larger size I had issues. Clear out the album art and see it plays then.

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Thanks for the reply davelr,
I have hard wired set with DHCP off as well, but I found now that a lot more albums give me problems that I thought. I am trying to figure out any pattern but nothing logical so far. First I have full back up of my library on external powered hard drive. I changed the location for the music library on Windows media player and I checked if it's the same story. So guess. It was same story. So I decided to make fresh rip on one of the albums giving me trouble. Bingo. Everything back to normal. Having more than 600 CD's to rip will be pain and the worst is there is no logic I can find so can try working it out. Cheers.
Still open for different thoughts and ideas.


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So here is the deal, my Denon 3808ci is in my theater room. I have a tv in the next room. ALL my sources are connected to the Denon through HDMI. The OUT on my Denon goes to a HDMI matrix and then one cable goes to my projector and another goes to the other room. I get picture on both and sound comes through my theater room speakers.

Here is the problem: I can't use ZONE 2 on the Denon because I have 7.1 sound in the theater. However, I learned that I can pass through audio through the HDMI through Denon to my tv in the next room and just listen to sound through the TV speakers. This works by selecting Manual Setup, HDMI Setup, Audio and then selecting TV or AMP. Amp would play through the surround speakers (great for when in the theater room), TV plays through the TV speakers, great for in the next room.

I can't do both at the same time. Which is fine, however, what I wanted to do was have a way to easily switch from TV to AMP and back without having to go through the menu every time. I was thinking of do this using my Harmony One Remote and creating a custom macro. However, the problem is that everytime I press the menu button to start the macro, the Harmony remote doesn't know what "menu" item it started with. That is because the menu item to come up is simply the last menu item you were on. Meaning, it could do the commands, but it may start in the wrong place.

I know this is long, but I wanted to give the details. I feel that I have all the equipment to make this work. I need it to be easy for the wife!

Thanks,
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If you haven't had the Dyn EQ/VOl upgrade installed, you could try starting the macro with the PARA/SEARCH button.

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