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Has anyone created a ccf for a Pronto remote?
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While I don't know the answer to that question, this much I do know, I have a DVD5910ci, which I had a couple of months before the 5308ci, the picture was excellent, however when I connected the HDMI port to the 5308ci instead of going directly to the TV, the picture went from excellent to fantastic, I don't know if the 2 HQV chip sets work in unison, or if the 5308ci cancels out the 5910ci's chip set, I only know what I see before my eyes (have a lot of people on this site that aren't convinced of that, but that's tthe way it goes, sometimes)

Which is better? Excellent or Fantastic?
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Has anyone created a ccf for a Pronto remote?

Whats A ccf

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Whats A ccf

Basically, it's what Phillips/Pronto calls the file format that their remotes use.
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Hi got my denon A1HD amp on Monday everything working great. Very pleased with it. What blu-ray player are you using? Thinking of getting the denon 2500 but heard the Panasonic bd-30 is just as good for picture, but what about the sound?
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Hi got my denon A1HD amp on Monday everything working great. Very pleased with it. What blu-ray player are you using? Thinking of getting the denon 2500 but heard the Panasonic bd-30 is just as good for picture, but what about the sound?
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Get the Panasonic Same sound.
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Get the Panasonic Same sound.

Are the Panny and Denon players basically the same? I presume the low LFE over HDMI issue has been sloved, in both players?


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I presume the low LFE over HDMI issue has been sloved, in both players?

Its only fixed on the Panny.
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Just messing around with the new BD DVE and it shows 1 pixel is cropped on the right side.
I disconnected the receiver and its perfect???
This is with video conversion on and off.

I really don't understand the importance of that, if any, but why is the Denon cropping it?
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An upgrade is available for 1080p and DenonLink 3rd. But it is not free. It costs 500 Euros (790 US Dollar)

OUCH!!!!!
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Which is better? Excellent or Fantastic?

Funny, fantastic is just that, sarcasm to the side
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For me, the improvement I have heard from Audyssey set-up on all sources is more impressive than the improvement I have heard from finally being able to hear PCM 5 .1 and Dolby TrueHD. Bass is drastically improved from what I had before but I should add that as a condo dweller I am not looking for room-shaking bass that will disturb my very tolerant neighbors. It does boom properly when it needs to which means I watch my noisy flicks earlier in the evening when I feel I can get away with it.

I am upgrading from the Denon AVR 4802 so you can imagine some of the difference.

I am more of a movies guy than a music guy but have spent a considerable amount of time lately listening to music from SACD, DVD audio and CD over HDMI. I'm even quite surprised at the quality from the internet radio sources. Is Denon-link really worthwhile considering the price and the fact that I will have very few additions to my SACD and DVD audio collection?

Don't forget Dolby Headphone, get a nice pair of Sennheisers or Grados and enjoy the ride, it should sound fabulous, and happy neighbors too.

Only uncompressed audio will do true justice to this modern marvel, forget DenonLink, grab an $160 Oppo980 transport and send DSD via HDMI, you will start buying SACDs like hotcakes after that experience. To exemplify i had 50 SACDs before i got the Oppo with a yamaha rx-v3800, now close to 450. You will need nice LFE fronts too once you get into jazz vocals or chamber music in 2 channel, because uncompressed audio sounds best in pure direct, goodbye vinyl scratching days

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In the poll z11 or 5308 why do you think everyone is choosing the z11? I am really surprised at this. It seems the Denon is superior in almost every way?

It is called brand loyalty. Also many of us are still under the influence of the sonic revelation from transitioning from a midrange Denon to a RX-V1700/2700/1800/3800.

I am ready to hop in, selling my RX-V3800 is this behemoth lives up to my expectations as a pre/pro in my system. My main reason to upgrade is the better dynamic range and differential layout of the DACs for SACD via HDMI/DSD. Very interested to see how the Realta will do with my only remainging SD source, the Escient 1200DVD server via component (no SDI mod). The ReonVX in my projector struggles with SD.

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Somewhat, but considering everything I have read has more or less indicated that the AVP-A1HDCI is exactly the same processing as the 5308 for more money it hasn't really made any sense to me.

Is it actually different internally as far as processing is concerned?

Right on Ebanks, i am also getting the 5308CI as a pre/pro. The savings are substantial and advantages on going the A1 route are mostly supratentorial (read on paper, perceived benefits, placebo effect), take away the PSU and XLRs. Who needs balanced for 3-6' runs anyway?

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Right on Ebanks, i am also getting the 5308CI as a pre/pro. The savings are substantial and advantages on going the A1 route are mostly supratentorial (read on paper, perceived benefits, placebo effect), take away the PSU and XLRs. Who needs balanced for 3-6' runs anyway?

hey bobpaule good to see your doing the same.I've got mine hooked to a NAD M25 and very happy now.

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Get the Panasonic Same sound.

Im just about to fork some money over for the denon, are you saying there the same in build quality?

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An upgrade is available for 1080p and DenonLink 3rd. But it is not free. It costs 500 Euros (790 US Dollar)

Bummer, I just got my A11 (5900) upgraded to DL3 for free, took nearly 2 months but sounds great.
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Just messing around with the new BD DVE and it shows 1 pixel is cropped on the right side.
I disconnected the receiver and its perfect???
This is with video conversion on and off.

I really don't understand the importance of that, if any, but why is the Denon cropping it?

Ah yes, I remember spotting that, didn't seem to effect the scaling thou, i.e. still 1:1 pixel mapped for 1080p on a 1080p screen.
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I must say the denon A1 HD 5308 is an amazing piece of equipment. I had meridian separates that cost £15000!the denon sounds better for home cinema! Not just as good for music but not that far behind it. I also had the Yamaha z11 to try but that was not as good as the denon for music or home cinema. I run the denon in 5.1 channels with the internal amps. I Bi-amp the front 2 speakers and use audyssey EQ for home cinema. My room is too small for 7.1 the sound is awesome love it. I am considering getting a denon blu-ray player but not just yet
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Ah yes, I remember spotting that, didn't seem to effect the scaling thou, i.e. still 1:1 pixel mapped for 1080p on a 1080p screen.

OK good.
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Funny, fantastic is just that, sarcasm to the side

I ask for a reason because I own the XA2 and the Denon 5308CI. On a Samsung 57" LCD I seem to like the picture better when the XA2 is set to 1080i and let the Realta handle 1080P duties. I have no proof with hard benchmarks just what I see on the screen. I was wondering what others think? A - B comparison is tough because I only have one XA2 hooked up in this room. It takes a couple of minutes to switch settings on both units and by the time I am done I forgot what the picture looked like!
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Hi,

I just setup the 5308 last night. WOW!! the sound quality is great going from seperates. The wireless worked right away, the firmware updated wirelessly in 39 mins and just setting up lots of stuff. Also, going to tackle the RC7000/7001 tonight. So far so good.......thanks to everyone here for the updates and trouble shooting............sure made for fast setup.

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Hi,

I just setup the 5308 last night. WOW!! the sound quality is great going from seperates. The wireless worked right away, the firmware updated wirelessly in 39 mins and just setting up lots of stuff. Also, going to tackle the RC7000/7001 tonight. So far so good.......thanks to everyone here for the updates and trouble shooting............sure made for fast setup.

Per Denon... not advised to do firmware wirelessly. Hardwire it!
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shamus,

Yeah.......I had read that. It went without a hitch. Next time I may go out and get a 100 ft of cable for the firmware upgrade.

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I ask for a reason because I own the XA2 and the Denon 5308CI. On a Samsung 57" LCD I seem to like the picture better when the XA2 is set to 1080i and let the Realta handle 1080P duties. I have no proof with hard benchmarks just what I see on the screen. I was wondering what others think? A - B comparison is tough because I only have one XA2 hooked up in this room. It takes a couple of minutes to switch settings on both units and by the time I am done I forgot what the picture looked like!

Sorry, my bad, either get the AVIA test disc, or if you have it, put on the 50th aniversary edition of the King and I, and there is a scene with Anna, teaching the children, wearing a stripped dress, play that scene, with the units connected one way, then the other, its not a scene you will forget how it looks in a short time, the stripes should be very distinct, also the scene where Anna and the King do the polka, is his red outfit bordered with gold, distinct, can you see the filligre plainly, do the gems on her dress stand out, does the (whatever you call it in her hair) shimmer and sparkle, yet remain clear and detailed? which way gives the best result, The King and I is what I call a level 2 DVD, not as "fantastic" as Lord of the Rings or South Pacific collectors edition, but doesn't have anything to be ashamed of either, what is prominent in this disc is the starting colors, and distinctive detailing on the gowns Anna wears, I know others will poo poo what I have just written, but it will cost you nothing (other than the cost of the DVD'S) to try it
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For me, the improvement I have heard from Audyssey set-up on all sources is more impressive than the improvement I have heard from finally being able to hear PCM 5 .1 and Dolby TrueHD. Bass is drastically improved from what I had before but I should add that as a condo dweller I am not looking for room-shaking bass that will disturb my very tolerant neighbors. It does boom properly when it needs to which means I watch my noisy flicks earlier in the evening when I feel I can get away with it.

I am upgrading from the Denon AVR 4802 so you can imagine some of the difference.

I am more of a movies guy than a music guy but have spent a considerable amount of time lately listening to music from SACD, DVD audio and CD over HDMI. I'm even quite surprised at the quality from the internet radio sources. Is Denon-link really worthwhile considering the price and the fact that I will have very few additions to my SACD and DVD audio collection ?

My biggest frustration is the inability of the unit to work over HDMI with my D-VHS JVC HM-DH5U. I can only get a signal through component, which makes me laugh as the extra HDMI inputs were a significant reason for me to reach for this top-level unit. I will say that running D-VHS through component converted to 1080p produces a stunning picture that I can't find a single complaint about.

I truly hate the remotes though and have transferred most of the commands I need into my Harmony 880.

With my own particular setup, D-Link performs better than HDMI for audio, however only after cycling through the source button, and eliminating the HDMI audio connection, (they don't work properly when connected at the same time) D-Link is the only way I can get DTS 6.1 descrete on the front panel display, both regestering 6.1 channels coming in and 7 channels out, as well as actually saying DTS 6.1 descrete on the display, that said SACD & DVD-A sound as good as you would expect them to, I haven't connected the unit to the web for an upgrade (strictly chicken here, afraid I'll mess it up) so I don't know if an upgrade would come with different results, just telling you my experience with it.
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OMG.

I picked up a 5308 last week and finally finished setting everything up. It replaced a Lexicon MC-1, a Crystalio II and two Carver AV-705x 5x125 amps.

Ran Audyssey on six positions using a camera tripod to hold the mic. Tweaked some speaker sizes and cross-over frequencies, but that's all. The results just blow me away. It's like I've never actually had surround sound in my theater until today. It's that much of an improvement. (And, yes, the Lexicon had been balanced using an SPL). The sound is all encompassing. The bass is tight and accurate. It really tamed my subwoofer, which had been a bit problematic previously.

Just finished watching Live Free or Die Hard, my first Blu-Ray. The DTS-HD MA augmented with DPL IIx for my 7.1 setup was just amazing. Fed the video from a BD-30 to a VPL-VW100 through the Denon, but left the image processing turned off. Picture was stunning.

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OK, now this is excellent news, from someone coming from high standards. Congrats! I am dying with anticipation. My unit is on its way.

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I want to get this reciever but it only it doesnt use Burr-Brown PCM1792 chips which i read are very effective for Dolby HD and DTS HD Audio material. Does the lack of these chips hurt this reciever in audio performance?

I have to admit that i have also been involved in the propagation of this piece of misinformation, after i read same on sa-cd.net.

The 1792 is an older chip (eg Yamaha RX-Z9) wider in dynamic but performing poorly with DSD so nowhere to be found in the new crops of top receivers, the 1796 does very good with DSD and HD audio. To illustrate the 1796As in my RX-V3800 although inferior in dynamic range to the 1796 still made me enjoy SACD via HDMI/DSD greatly.

Now, the 5308CI has dual 1796s for each channel (this with web, Realta, and GUI made me quit the RX-Z11 dream), and the AVP-A1 has quads, how much better that makes it over the 5308ci used as a pre/pro will be a matter of direct comparisons.

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Now, the 5308CI has dual 1796s for each channel (this with web, Realta, and GUI made me quit the RX-Z11 dream), and the AVP-A1 has quads, how much better that makes it over the 5308ci used as a pre/pro will be a matter of direct comparisons.

Well thats the thing is there much difference.Will our ear be able to pickup the difference.well at the moment im running it with a NAD M25 and I think it does an awesome job.I've always thought the pre-amp is the brains and power amp is the muscle.I guess being quads dacss the processing is faster!Remeber build quality is also important to sound.

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Yeah.......I had read that. It went without a hitch. Next time I may go out and get a 100 ft of cable for the firmware upgrade.

Thank you Dad for chastizing me into wiring the whole house and not just the "Boom Boom Room."
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Thank you Dad for chastizing me into wiring the whole house and not just the "Boom Boom Room."

HAHA... but seriously, there are some reports in the Audyssey thread involving the 3808 being updated wirelessly and getting corrupted firmware. It requires you to send it in to Denon!
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