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post #121 of 4970 Old 08-30-2007, 02:17 PM
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Hi All,

Do you think the HQV Realty Video Scaler in the Denon 5308 can handle the custom 2:35 aspect ratio programming to achieve 2:35 constant height setup?

I was hoping to use a anamorphic lens with my next projector which will be the Sony Black Pearl.

Thanks, BK
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Wow, hadn't heard that one. That's nice news if you have multiple subs/locations. It would be interesting to see how Audyssey handles that.

It's the same configuration option as the 5805ci - I'm not sure how well the on-board Audyssey XT handles them but, I know the "Pro" application handles them very well 'cause - I'm running three subs with mine, in fact it could theoretically do 8 subs - one for each channel.
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Hey guys I saw today in the Crutchfield catalog the 5308ci for sale. I thought it wasn't coming out until December, and it doesn't seem to be a preorder.
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Hello HT Enthusiasts,

Does anyone know if the HQV Realta Processor upconvert progressive signals up to 1080p?

For example what if my Xbox 360 outputs 720p or my dvd player outputs 480p; can this video processor upconvert to 1080p?

Or does it only do it with 480i or 1080i source signals?

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Hey guys I saw today in the Crutchfield catalog the 5308ci for sale. I thought it wasn't coming out until December, and it doesn't seem to be a preorder.

In light of this, does anyone have any updated info on when the 5308 will be officially released?

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Hey guys I saw today in the Crutchfield catalog the 5308ci for sale. I thought it wasn't coming out until December, and it doesn't seem to be a preorder.

If it doesn't say preorder it has to be a misprint.
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In might be in their latest new print catalog only due to because printing 'lead times' required to try and time the catalog to when products might be released, so those were probably made/printed up about a month or so before they are even mailed out to anyone. But that don't also mean that they actually have the product right now to sell either. When they show them up on their website for sale or pre-order, is probably a lot better indicator than what their printed/mailed out catalogs are.
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Hey guys I saw today in the Crutchfield catalog the 5308ci for sale. I thought it wasn't coming out until December, and it doesn't seem to be a preorder.

My corporate sales rep at Crutchfield told me that they are telling him mid-November or later. It's not on their website, just in the catalog.
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It's the same configuration option as the 5805ci - I'm not sure how well the on-board Audyssey XT handles them but, I know the "Pro" application handles them very well 'cause - I'm running three subs with mine, in fact it could theoretically do 8 subs - one for each channel.

Are you sure about this?

I really would like to run a minimum of 3 subs Front, Rear and LFE. Truth be told, I'd actually like to run five subs, so I can separate Left and Right.

But from what I've gleaned out thewre on the web, I've read the 5308 only does 7.1 processing (which I hope is wrong).

Does anyone know for sure what the correct info on this is? As I understand it, the new separates will do a maximum of 3 subs, but I heard that the 5308 will only do x.1 processing.

Also, can it handle 24p sources (at least for passthru, maybe?) to 24p displays?
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My dealer confirmed it with Denon - the 5308ci will have three sub outputs configurable to L/R + LFE or F/B + LFE
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My dealer confirmed it with Denon - the 5308ci will have three sub outputs configurable to L/R + LFE or F/B + LFE

Very good news!

Do you know about 24p?
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If the 5308 only weighs 53 pounds, I will be seriously disappointed. My 5803A weighs 64 pounds.

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gosh, 5308 is really only 53LBs? then seems 905 is 1LB heavier!

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If the 5308 only weighs 53 pounds, I will be seriously disappointed.

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Are we buying sugar or an audio product?

Maybe I should market lead weights as an audio tweak - I can see the marketing slogan now; SUPERSONIC AUDIO WEIGHT ENHANCEMENTS IMPROVE YOUR SOUND BY A WHOPPING 50LBS!!!

Seriously, with shipping costs being what they are and tied to weight, if you could manufacture a product identical or better in performance, but do it with a combined weight reduction of 10lbs or more - wouldn't you?

Weight variation predominatly comes from two components - transformers and chassis. Neither of which is likely to have any impact on audio/video quality providing they are suitably engineered to to do the task.
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gosh, 5308 is really only 53LBs? then seems 905 is 1LB heavier!

So what? The 905 couild be 100 pounds heavier and it will still be inferior to the 5308.
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gosh, 5308 is really only 53LBs? then seems 905 is 1LB heavier!

The Onkyo is so heavy because it needs monster heat sinks to keep the thing from burning up. Even with them it's still the hottest running AVR on the market. Not sure I would call that an advantage.
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Piling on to the thread since I would be resurrecting the dead if I used a 5800 thread.

I'm looking for a solution for the new hd (truehd,dts-hd/dts-ma) audio formats. I currently have a 5800 w/upgrade. It appears the upcoming dual-format samsung player will/should decode and do 7.1 audio out. What are the obvious audio downsides to going this route? I'm most interested in the lossless audio support as I can switch hdmi and scale externally, so the video aspects are less interesting. Still considering punting the 5800 for a new AVR, but trying to do a cost/benefit analysis.
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According to everything I've read, neither the 4308 nor the 5308 support two independent HDMI zones. Do I have that right? My understanding is that you can output a second video zone but only via component video. The two HDMI outputs only use the same source.

I am looking to drive 2 independent HDMI 1.3 zones (using 5.1 audio) and a 3rd and 4th zone with 2-channel audio. The only way I can figure out to accomplish this is using a 4x4 HDMI switch in front of everything. (I've got 4 source inputs.)

If I have to use the switch, then I'm better off cost wise going to a stand along VP and amps for each zone.

Anyone have any ideas? The 5308 seems to come the closest I've seen to the promised land, but the 2nd video zone issue kills it.

Also, am I wrong in my understanding that if the HD-DVD or BD player doesn't allow for bitstream output, then all the new HD audio and video processing in the 5308 is wasted?
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According to everything I've read, neither the 4308 nor the 5308 support two independent HDMI zones. Do I have that right? My understanding is that you can output a second video zone but only via component video. The two HDMI outputs only use the same source.

I am looking to drive 2 independent HDMI 1.3 zones (using 5.1 audio) and a 3rd and 4th zone with 2-channel audio. The only way I can figure out to accomplish this is using a 4x4 HDMI switch in front of everything. (I've got 4 source inputs.)

If I have to use the switch, then I'm better off cost wise going to a stand along VP and amps for each zone.

Anyone have any ideas? The 5308 seems to come the closest I've seen to the promised land, but the 2nd video zone issue kills it.

Also, am I wrong in my understanding that if the HD-DVD or BD player doesn't allow for bitstream output, then all the new HD audio and video processing in the 5308 is wasted?


I don't know of any receiver or pre-pro that has dual independent HDMI outputs. However, the 5308 does have an independent component output to the second zone. So, if your four sources also have component outputs (in addition to HDMI because HDMI cannot be downconverted to component), then you could route each of those sources to the second zone. The 5805 had 5.1 output to the second zone so I think the 5308 will have that feature to.
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Does the pre-pro have a model # yet?

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The 5805 had 5.1 output to the second zone so I think the 5308 will have that feature to.

The 5805 also had/has, 10 powered amplifier channels available, and the 5308 does not. It only has 7, which is one big reason why the MSRP on the 5308 is so much less than what a 5805 was. So I would not count on the 5308 as having 5.1 features on the 2nd zone anymore like the 5805 had/has.
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I don't know of any receiver or pre-pro that has dual independent HDMI outputs. However, the 5308 does have an independent component output to the second zone. So, if your four sources also have component outputs (in addition to HDMI because HDMI cannot be downconverted to component), then you could route each of those sources to the second zone. The 5805 had 5.1 output to the second zone so I think the 5308 will have that feature to.

Stopped by my local Denon dealer, who also is a Pioneer dealer, and asked this question. He indicated that he thought Pioneer is coming out with an AVR, due around December time frame, that will accomplish this. (Had no more details than that.)

I don't have too much of a history with Denon. (I've been researching how best to do an overhaul of my current system for about 5 months now.) But, I am very surprised at how they handle a second AV zone. I would have expected them to be further ahead of this curve than others.

Disappointing, because I would really like to be able to put a piece of Denon hardware in the center of my system. I really think they've missed the boat and if I hadn't taken the time to research this and had been a half-way educated buyer and found this out after a purchase...well needless to say it would've been my first and last Denon AVR.
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Stopped by my local Denon dealer, who also is a Pioneer dealer, and asked this question. He indicated that he thought Pioneer is coming out with an AVR, due around December time frame, that will accomplish this. (Had no more details than that.)

I think he may have been talking about the new $7k+ Pioneer Elite SC-09TX, that is due out at about that time frame. There is more talk about it in these.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=904245

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=846136

Here is a brief 2 page spec sheet for it. I think it will take a few more than just 2 short pages to tell all that it can do though.
So I would expect something more detailed to come along sometime later on about it.
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I've been following the Denon 4308 and Onkyo 905 forums for weeks trying to decide what to buy. I see many problems with both of them - so many that I don't want anything to do with them. I doubt the Denon 5308 will suddenly and miraculously fix all these. There will probably be a host of new ones. At this rate, I'll be keeping my old receiver forever.

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Denon is indeed charging a premium. In particular, I agree that the pre-pro is overpriced. However, you have to take into account the quality of the product, not just the features and the parts. Some of the money you pay goes toward building something that's reliable and glitch-free. You should visit the threads talking about people's experience with Onkyo receivers (including the ones that just came out) to see what I'm talking about - it's not a pretty picture. Denon charges a lot because the market is likely to bear it - there's no real competition right now that offers similar features AND quality. I am making the assumption that Denon's new products are as well-made as the previous ones.

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I've been following the Denon 4308 and Onkyo 905 forums for weeks trying to decide what to buy. I see many problems with both of them - so many that I don't want anything to do with them. I doubt the Denon 5308 will suddenly and miraculously fix all these. There will probably be a host of new ones. At this rate, I'll be keeping my old receiver forever.

Although I agree that there has been a number of issues on both of these new series, the Onkyo issues seem much more hardware related than feature set related.

The Denon seems to have some GUI issues, but that seems the extent of it OUTSIDE OF.... NETWORKING ISSUES.

I am suer that both Denon and Onkyo are really struggling from a support standpoint on these interconnectivity issues...

Being an ex-Anthem D2 owner, and an ex 5805 owner, the HDMI issues were readily acknowledged (and usually attributed to the source machines_and quickly fixed on both machines.. I am sure the various computer and router implementations are really hard to make stable across the board.

The fact that Denon is already rolling out firmware makes me confident that they are way ahead of the game in this round, both in regards to QC, features, usability and support.

PS.... I just brought a 4308ci for my placeholder
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FilmMixer -

I remember seeing you quite a bit on the D2 owners thread while I was researching that product. I bought a D2 to try out and ended up getting rid of it within a week. The sound performance was fine, though not signifcantly better than my AVR5800, but it was the clunky UI and high-maintainence nature of the D2 that just made it seem like more trouble than it was worth.

Why are you now a "former D2 owner"?

Oh, and like you, I picked up a Denon 4306 as a placeholder until I can find a set of seperates that impress me.
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I've been following the Denon 4308 and Onkyo 905 forums for weeks trying to decide what to buy. I see many problems with both of them - so many that I don't want anything to do with them. I doubt the Denon 5308 will suddenly and miraculously fix all these. There will probably be a host of new ones. At this rate, I'll be keeping my old receiver forever.

Here is a current listing of past and current issues related to the new Denon AVRs:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=452

If there is something here that is a deal breaker then move on, but for me and many others they are just some minor annoyances at worst.
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If there is something here that is a deal breaker then move on, but for me and many others they are just some minor annoyances at worst.

+1 Amen

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FilmMixer -

I remember seeing you quite a bit on the D2 owners thread while I was researching that product. I bought a D2 to try out and ended up getting rid of it within a week. The sound performance was fine, though not signifcantly better than my AVR5800, but it was the clunky UI and high-maintainence nature of the D2 that just made it seem like more trouble than it was worth.

Why are you now a "former D2 owner"?

Oh, and like you, I picked up a Denon 4306 as a placeholder until I can find a set of seperates that impress me.

We are moving, and while we have a great place for our smaller theater, there isn't going to be enough room for separates, so the time to sell was now...

It had replaced a 5805, and I really thought it was a very transparent and powerful piece of gear, even without all of the bells and whistles the Denon boys are known for (although I really thought the vid proc in the Anthem was top notch.) They really have found their stride with the newest software, and I will still highly recommend that product to those that are in the market...

That being said, I think the next time I have the room, and a bigger room, I will probably go with the Denon pre/pro or the 5308, and move the 4308 into the bedroom..
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