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has anyone (else) pre-ordered one yet?

I ordered mine back in September... and y'all are killing me with these delivery dates.

BTW, thanks to those who dug up the info.
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I'm still being told late December/early January.

grrr, i wanted it in time for christmas to play with!!
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I hope Denon miraculously concludes that they should upgrade the 5308ci to 160watts instead of 150watts. It sure would help ease the pain of paying double the cost of a 4308ci

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Why? Other than for bragging that it has more. A extra 10 watts of power would not even make any difference at all that anyone could notice.
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Why? Other than for bragging that it has more. A extra 10 watts of power would not even make any difference at all that anyone could notice.

You're right, but for 5 grand, people want every last ounce of ability available. As I said before, the 4k series from Denon is an attractive enough offer that I think many will question the need to spend twice as much on the 5308.
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if we're sitting here hoping for anything let's sit and hope they're tweaking the crap out of the video section. From what I read it sounds like if the Realta is fully utilized it'll even improve 1080P sources and would straight replace an outboard video processor. I'd think that'd be a great excuse to spend twice as much as the 4308.

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Please let us know what you discover under the hood....

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I'm a pretty big procrastinator, especially since I just recently put my system back together again (just did the MK2 upgrade in October). That sucker is heavy. And darthpaul has convinced me that the 1792s are indeed in there, so...
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Why? Other than for bragging that it has more. A extra 10 watts of power would not even make any difference at all that anyone could notice.

Well if you've been admiring Denon's 5*** series amps for the last few years like I have you'll notice a trend. The 5800 retailed for around $3800 and the 5803 retailed around $4200. Both were heavyweights, and both delivered every feature available at the time with 170watts per channel. The 5805 is in another pricing bracket that much is certain. But for $5200 msrp, 150watts doesn't exactly cut it.

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150watts doesn't exactly cut it.

So, by having 160watts instead of 150watts, then it would "cut it"? If so, that's ridiculous.
Adding 10watts onto the 150watts it has, would be about equal to adding just one drop of water into a one gallon bottle of water.. Yeah you could say your're getting more water with that added drop, but it's sure not going to be noticed or quench your thirst much more. You all seem to be complaining about the cost difference, and then acting like just adding another 10watts of output would justify it. There are other things besides power outputs that account for the price differences between the models. If all you really want is more power, then buy a cheaper AVR with pre-outs and add a external amp to it.
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^^I would agree that other differences are necessary, and that 10 watts is nothing. However, I think the problem is that people aren't seeing the other benefits this receiver will provide as of yet. Hopefully it's just a matter of time before more details are released.

To be honest, it could be 200w x 7 and I don't think it'd justify the price to me, it's going to take those other things such as better video processing etc. Problem is, no one has been provided those details so we're just kicking around the info we have, which is limited to projected power output etc.
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So, by having 160watts instead of 150watts, then it would "cut it"? If so, that's ridiculous.
Adding 10watts onto the 150watts it has, would be about equal to adding just one drop of water into a one gallon bottle of water.. Yeah you could say your're getting more water with that added drop, but it's sure not going to be noticed or quench your thirst much more. You all seem to be complaining about the cost difference, and then acting like just adding another 10watts of output would justify it. There are other things besides power outputs that account for the price differences between the models. If all you really want is more power, then buy a cheaper AVR with pre-outs and add a external amp to it.

I see your point. But you oversimplify the argument. It's not just about 10 watts, and it's not JUST about power... if power were the only component to a good receiver (I'm not that stupid thank you) you're right I would run out and buy a cheap avr and add an amp as you so eloquently put. All I'm saying is long time Denon fanatics such as myself, have come to expect at certain power output at a specific price point, along with exceptional DAC's and processing. FACT: At the $4k-$5 price pint, Denon has historically supplied their receivers with 170watts of power, along with a wealth of features. And remember, we're not talking about 10watts of power here. We are comparing th 4308ci, and 5308ci and justifying the cost difference. So if the 5308 did have 160watts of power, then we're talking about a 20watt increase between the two units, not 10 as you put it. I assure you Denon would make more sales with consumers that simply read specs at the store if there was a 20watt difference between the two. I understand that video features may be important to other consumers, hence the added cost of the 5308. But audiophiles such as myself miss the days when you could drop $5k on a Denon receiver and not just get cutting edge features and processing, but a boat load of power as well.

"Now a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it.."
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I see your point. But you oversimplify the argument. It's not just about 10 watts, and it's not JUST about power... if power were the only component to a good receiver (I'm not that stupid thank you) you're right I would run out and buy a cheap avr and add an amp as you so eloquently put. All I'm saying is long time Denon fanatics such as myself, have come to expect at certain power output at a specific price point, along with exceptional DAC's and processing. FACT: At the $4k-$5 price pint, Denon has historically supplied their receivers with 170watts of power, along with a wealth of features. And remember, we're not talking about 10watts of power here. We are comparing th 4308ci, and 5308ci and justifying the cost difference. So if the 5308 did have 160watts of power, then we're talking about a 20watt increase between the two units, not 10 as you put it. I assure you Denon would make more sales with consumers that simply read specs at the store if there was a 20watt difference between the two. I understand that video features may be important to other consumers, hence the added cost of the 5308. But audiophiles such as myself miss the days when you could drop $5k on a Denon receiver and not just get cutting edge features and processing, but a boat load of power as well.

You make good points AlexBPM and at the 5308 price point it would be nice to see some bigger power numbers, at least that of the 5805.
Personally I like what Pioneer is getting ready to do with it's new flagship receiver..... cutting edge ICE digital amps and 200x7!
Hopefully this will start/continue the digital amp trend for all receivers.... look what Panasonic did with their amazing little digital amp receivers!

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I got a call from my supplier that they will be shipping to us (preorders) any day. I am waiting on 5308, BR Player (not shipping soon) and the new remote. I am selling a 4806 and 4308 soon if anyone is interested!
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I got a call from my supplier that they will be shipping to us (preorders) any day. I am waiting on 5308, BR Player (not shipping soon) and the new remote. I am selling a 4806 and 4308 soon if anyone is interested!

since they still haven't even posted the model on their site yet, i'm guessing that doesn't imply that these are getting any closer to shipping in volume?
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Doesn't imply anything of the sort. The 4308 and 3808 were shipping for like a week or two before they updated the website.

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Anybody know what version of Audyssey the 5308 will come equipped? I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Audyssey Pro

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Anybody know what version of Audyssey the 5308 will come equipped? I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Audyssey Pro

It is the pro version.
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It is the pro version.

But it doesn't help you unless you have a $500-$800 professional installation.

Hopefully, the prices on these professional calibrations will come down as more and more installers get the training and kit.

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But it doesn't help you unless you have a $500-$800 professional installation.

Hopefully, the prices on these professional calibrations will come down as more and more installers get the training and kit.

Or you have access to the kit.

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Or you have access to the kit.

Do you have someone trained with Audyssey Pro at SV Sound? Or know of such an installer in the DC Metro area?

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We do have someone that can do the Audyssey calibrations but he's not in this area. I'm probably going to try and borrow his kit and learn how to use it on my own. Can't be THAT hard right? (lol, the last words of how many people?)

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But it doesn't help you unless you have a $500-$800 professional installation.

Hopefully, the prices on these professional calibrations will come down as more and more installers get the training and kit.


Audessy also has a fee that isn't very cheap to the dealer in that cost setup (fee PER install). Honestly, if they do a good job, a $400-$500 service for setting up the pro calibration doesn't really leave a huge chunk of profit for the dealer. At $800, its gouging IMO
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Audessy also has a fee that isn't very cheap to the dealer in that cost setup (fee PER install). Honestly, if they do a good job, a $400-$500 service for setting up the pro calibration doesn't really leave a huge chunk of profit for the dealer. At $800, its gouging IMO

According to past posts on this forums, the license fee is $150 per receiver / processor calibration.

But of course the training + kit is expensive.

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If the Audessy in this system is similar to the set top box for separates, calibration is a matter of getting hold of the software and a laptop. Calibration according to installers are not that difficult if you're familiar to room acoustics and have used other calibration system.
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If the Audessy in this system is similar to the set top box for separates, calibration is a matter of getting hold of the software and a laptop.

You also must purchase a seperate unlock "key" from Audessy, for each and every device that you wish to calibrate. If you do not have a unlock key for whatever device it is you have, then you do not calibrate it, even if you do have the software...
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It is the pro version.

From japanese:
●Audyssey multEQ XT


Is this Audyssey pro ?
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From japanese:
●Audyssey multEQ XT


Is this Audyssey pro ?

No.

The Denon AVR-3808ci and above feature MultEQ XT with support for Audyssey MultEQ Pro. Audyssey MultEQ Pro isn't a feature you can use out of the box; it requires a professional calibration with a specialized microphone and computer software, as well as a $150 license fee.

When people refer to full Audyssey MultEQ Pro support, I think they are talking about the filters supported. The AVR-3808ci and AVR-4308ci do not support the full set of Audyssey Pro filters available with the $2500 Audyssey MultEQ Pro Sound Equalizer.

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No.

The Denon AVR-3808ci and above feature MultEQ XT with support for Audyssey MultEQ Pro. Audyssey MultEQ Pro isn't a feature you can use out of the box; it requires a professional calibration with a specialized microphone and computer software, as well as a $150 license fee.

When people refer to full Audyssey MultEQ Pro support, I think they are talking about the filters supported. The AVR-3808ci and AVR-4308ci do not support the full set of Audyssey Pro filters available with the $2500 Audyssey MultEQ Pro Sound Equalizer.

Have read through japanese web page/pdf on 5308/AVC-A1HD /above 4308
http://denon.jp/catalog/pdf/avamp_29.pdf (used babelfish to translate to english)
On this pdf document it say nothing about this pro support ?

Sorry looked at audyssey web page about MultEQ XT got point now about this pro version.

But what about the coming denon pre/processor with balanced outputs.. audyssey multeq pro sound equalizer doesn't have balanced/XLR inputs/outputs ?
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But it doesn't help you unless you have a $500-$800 professional installation.

Hopefully, the prices on these professional calibrations will come down as more and more installers get the training and kit.

ok, time for my 1st dumb question of the day.

can you calibrate the receiver without professional installation via a dumbed down version of this software, or is it all or nothing?
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You don't need any dumbed down version of software; you can do it directly from the receiver.

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