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Looks like the list price will be $5200, based on this quote by Denon's Jeff Talmadge:

JT: .....The receiver line, starting at $349 and going all the way to $5,200...

LU: That's the price on the 5308CI?

JT: The highest priced receiver, yes.

The rest of the interview is here: Jeff Talmadge Interview
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Great thanks!

Anyone know the specs on this beast yet?
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I think Denon is really going off the deep end with their prices. Looking at the 5308 versus some of the soon to be released Onkyo stuff I really don't see how Denon can charge 3k more for very little added functionality. I currently have a 5803A and was thinking about upgrading to something that can handle HDMI and all the new HD Audio formats like the 5308CI but at these prices I might look elsewhere.


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I think Denon is really going off the deep end with their prices. Looking at the 5308 versus some of the soon to be released Onkyo stuff I really don't see how Denon can charge 3k more for very little added functionality. I currently have a 5803A and was thinking about upgrading to something that can handle HDMI and all the new HD Audio formats like the 5308CI but at these prices I might look elsewhere.

I felt this way too until I read about the problems people are having with the new Onkyo receivers (popping noises, input switching lag, etc.), and now I'm not so sure... The first batches of new Denon receivers may have problems as well, but Denon was pretty good in the past in terms of getting it right from the start.
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Specs are now listed here-

http://denon.jp/company/release/newavamp.html

The AVR-5308 is named the AVC-A1HD in Japan and is sans the tuner and D5 connectors. However everything else should be the same i.e look and connections. Finally enough HDMI connections (6 of them) to see me through

A shame the Preamp is the same size as the 5308.

Also looks like the pricing in Japan is alot more attractive than the rumoured pricing for both the Preamp and 5308 equivalent.

More pics here-

http://www.stereosound.co.jp/hivi/de...ature_238.html





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I've cleaned up the thread.

Keep the speculation and insults to yourself.

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I've cleaned up the thread.

Keep the speculation and insults to yourself.

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Guess they didn't rip you out of $2000, then.
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Guess they didn't rip you out of $2000, then.

Maybe you need to start a thread of your own where you could explain this more clearly. I don't see how this relates to the topic of this thread.
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Wow the 5308 looks like a beast!

I cant think of anything else I would want in a receiver at this point. Does anyone know if the AudysseyXT in in the 5308 has fixed the bass room correction issues of the 5805?
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This looks really good - certainly a worthy replacement for my 5700. I just canceled my Onkyo 905 pre-order, and I'll wait for the 5308CI. This beast should be good for quite a few years. Too bad the wait will be a couple months longer, but I can live with the 5700 meanwhile.
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I'm curious what server software they will use to stream music over wireless. And I hope they will allow WPA2 AES-256 encryption. Too many devices still use WEP which can be hacked in about 45 seconds. I don't disagree that this receiver looks very impressive I'm just questioning if it looks $3100 more impressive than the 905.


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I'm curious what server software they will use to stream music over wireless. And I hope they will allow WPA2 AES-256 encryption. Too many devices still use WEP which can be hacked in about 45 seconds. I don't disagree that this receiver looks very impressive I'm just questioning if it looks $3100 more impressive than the 905.

It certainly has richer features than the 905, more inputs/outputs, and a better remote. Most likely, it also has better DAC, pre-amp, and amp sections, which is important to me. Beyond everything else, I just trust Denon more not to have glitches in their product. Also, I'm hoping to get a discount on the Denon so that the difference between the 5308 and the 905 is more like $2400. Is it worth it? Probably not if you tend to upgrade often, but my strategy has been to buy at the high end and keep the product for a long time. I make an exception when it's clear that the product will become obsolete within the next couple of years, but I don't see any reason for that to happen with the 5308.
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Realta chip, Mac support, six HDMI inputs ( I already have need for five ) and just about everything else you could think of or want.... I am going to look very seriously at this.

I know at this price I should be thinking about separates but they will take up twice the space of this unit which as a condo dweller I just don't have.
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I know at this price I should be thinking about separates but they will take up twice the space of this unit which as a condo dweller I just don't have.

What separates would you consider at this price if you had the space?

The Denon separates are much more expensive.
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What separates would you consider at this price if you had the space?

The Denon separates are much more expensive.

And the Denon Preamp is identical in size to the upcoming 5308.
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And the Denon Preamp is identical in size to the upcoming 5308.

What I don't understand is why the processor is so much more expensive than the 5308 receiver. I would have expected it to be less expensive, actually, since it doesn't have the amp section, and it seems to be identical otherwise. The only thing I can think of that would make it more expensive is if it is a fully balanced design, but I doubt that.
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What separates would you consider at this price if you had the space?

The Denon separates are much more expensive.

I wouldn't neccesarily buy the Denons. But there are plenty of people ( like my best pal ) who would never pay this kind of money for a receiver and would advise finding the extra money to move up to separates.
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Unless you have owned a Denon 5805ci and seen what it can and will do, don't dismiss the 5308ci or the seperates as too expensive. I have the 5805ci and it is an incredible piece for the money. I am running a 7.1 dedicated theater and a 5.1 second theater in my great room downstairs. Everything works as it should without any glitches whatsoever. Can't say that about a lot of electronics these days.

I sold my McIntosh MX119 and MC 207 amp to purchase the 5805ci and I am happy with the change. The two channel is not quite up to par but easily within a few percentage points of the Mac gear. When the new seperates come across the ocean to the US I will be on board and purchase them immediately. The thing I love about Denon is the reliability, inputs for anything imaginable and the build quality. I have owned numerous Denon products and knock on wood but I have never had one issue with any of them.

I am glad Denon is getting back into the seperates market and I feel they will sell well even at the price point. I look forward to their arrival.
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I also noticed from reading the interview with Denon Jeff that they are going to announce there decision on new Hi Def DVD players in July or August. He did not mention which way they are leaning but I just felt from reading his input they are going to go dual player.

Anybody else catch this?
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I also noticed from reading the interview with Denon Jeff that they are going to announce there decision on new Hi Def DVD players in July or August. He did not mention which way they are leaning but I just felt from reading his input they are going to go dual player.

Anybody else catch this?

There is a thread about this topic in the DVD player forum. People have different thoughts.
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There is a thread about this topic in the DVD player forum. People have different thoughts.

Thanks for the heads up. I will go there and check it out.
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Man, just becuase I can't afford it, doesn't have me knocking it.
Denon, once you get to the 48xx series and above is well worth what they charge for them.

I will say this, they must be pricing them right because they sell a ton of them.


This one looks fantastic. Not that I am in the market though.
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From the various hints, we should get more specifics at a Denon July press event. Anyone pick up info from dealers or manufacturer's reps as to when that event might be? My custom installer is upgrading my home theater from my current Sony VPLHT 10 and Denon 4800 to the JVC DLA RS1 and Denon 5308ci as soon as the Denon is available, so I'm chomping at the bit to get some idea when he is likely to get delivery.
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The general consensus seems to be that we all have complaints about the 3808 and 4308 using older/less high end components (mostly video and I think a couple about not using the latest DACs or something) especially in comparison to the Onkyo lineup. Not taking into consideration price, are there any similar complaints about the 5308? Is the 5308 the culmination of all the desired elements? The ideal receiver for this generation of receivers (again not considering the price part of the equation)?

(yes I'm looking to convince myself the extra money is worth it)

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The general consensus seems to be that we all have complaints about the 3808 and 4308 using older/less high end components (mostly video and I think a couple about not using the latest DACs or something) especially in comparison to the Onkyo lineup. Not taking into consideration price, are there any similar complaints about the 5308? Is the 5308 the culmination of all the desired elements?

The 5308 uses the same new DACs found in the Onkyo 805 (and above) receivers. These are the best mid-range Burr-Brown DACs available from TI. Some members were hoping that Denon would use the better Burr-Brown PCM1792 meant for prosumer applications.

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Burr-Brown PCM1791A  113dB SNR  $ 3.00/ea    Denon 3808, 4308, 5805ci, and DVD-2930CI
Burr-Brown PCM1796   123dB SNR  $ 6.50/ea    Onkyo 805/875/905, Denon 5308 and DVD-3930CI
Burr-Brown PCM1792A  127dB SNR  $13.00/ea    ? 
Burr-Brown PCM1792   132dB SNR  $13.65/ea    Yamaha RX-Z9 and Denon DVD-5910
All are stereo DACs, so four are required per receiver. Prices above are list prices as of 4Q 2006. Current distributor pricing on the 1791A, 1796, 1792A, and 1792 is $2.10, $2.95, $9.95, and $11.75, respectively. Thus, at today's market prices, it would have cost Denon an extra 4x8.8=$35.20 to use Burr-Brown's best prosumer DACs in the 5308.

Prosumer DACs like the PCM1792 didn't offer much practical benefit for CDs and DVDs, but Blu-ray is arguably a different story, where you find an increasing number of titles with 24/48 (i.e. ~144dB SNR) LPCM, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS-HD MA. With such Blu-ray titles, premium DACs should provide a higher-fidelity signal to the amp.

The 1796 in the 5308 still seems to be an improvement over the 1791A used in the 5805ci.

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Hi.

I just got myself an A1XVA(5805mkII), Have i gone and done a bad deal when A1HD(5308) is just around the corner?
When im looking at the specs from these two models,I just Can't see any big advantages for the A1HD(5308).

I guess my real my question is "WHO'S THE KING" 5805mkII or 5308?

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Hi.

I guess my real my question is "WHO'S THE KING" 5805mkII or 5308?

//Mats

It depends on what you need. The advantage of the 5308CI is that it has the latest and greatest capabilities of audio decoding of new high-def audio codecs, video processing, HDMI 1.3, etc. The 5805 has a great amp section, but its processing section is now obsolete because it doesn't support current technologies. Only you can tell if it's a big issue for you or not.

By the way, has anyone heard anything about when the 5308CI is expected to ship? I read August somewhere, but no one seems to be taking pre-orders yet.
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I was told August from someone at Denon but that was a couple weeks ago and at the same time they said that the 4308 would be shipping in July; from what I'm hearing lately from people here, the 4308 might be delayed until August so the 5308 might be delayed also.

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When you can purchase a pre-pro and a power amp for less than the cost of this receiver, then clearly it is overpriced and overhyped. I will be stunned if Denon's sales don't fall significantly. They can't drop the price later in order to compete with OEM's without alienating their main consumer base. $7,500 for The Denon pre-pro vs. $1,600 for The Integra pre-pro. $5,200 for The AVR-5308 vs. $2,000 for The Integra DTR-8.8. This will be seen by many if not most as price gouging by Denon.
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