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post #451 of 12993 Old 07-25-2007, 12:05 PM
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By the way, I have an Anthem D1 and it has been fine, yet there are many who have had problems with their Anthems. I just demo'd a Krell S-1000 and the OSD didn't work right. When I talked to Krell about this they knew there was a problem with it, but didn't sound like they were going to fix it! So, where is the bug free company?

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Name a company that hasn't had bugs and plenty of them in their Pre-Pro lines. If we wait until this is a bug free industry, none of us will have a Pre-Pro.

True but some companies - Anthem for example - work hard at fixing bugs. If the 9.8 is buggy it will take Integra a very long time - if ever - to fix the bugs. When I had the Anthem D1 it took just a few hours, sometimes just a few minutes, to get an e-mail reply from the Anthem technical support. I don't remember ever getting a reply from Integra technical support.

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When i had a B&K Ref50, ALL emails to tech support went unanswered. Ya just don't know. My gut feeling is this pre/pro is prominsing too much cutting edge stuff to deliver bug free. Bug free isn't my biggest concern (well,sortof), but resolution. ie: whats Integra's support going to be like. Guess we'll find out soon. I personally might buy it. It's on my short list, but only after user reports are in. What kind of preout stage can one get for $1300.00? These are the things i'm wondering about..

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Chip E, I'm wondering about many of those same things.

I was pretty psyched about the prospect of getting the Integra DTC-9.8 but after reading this entire thread I'm starting to think I could get most of the same benefits by simply purchasing one of the Onkyo recievers (i.e. 875 or 905) and using it as a processor (or even as the amp as well).

The issues revolving around the difficulty in purchasing one is a big negative. The long list of potential bugs is worrisome too.

Still waiting on the Onkyo/Integra reviews though before I dive in and order...
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By the way, I have an Anthem D1 and it has been fine, yet there are many who have had problems with their Anthems. I just demo'd a Krell S-1000 and the OSD didn't work right. When I talked to Krell about this they knew there was a problem with it, but didn't sound like they were going to fix it! So, where is the bug free company?

Gene

I had a Theta Casablanca that had issues with a couple discs. This is funny. On one CD, Dream Theater's "Scenes From A Memory" there are gun shots and after one of them the unit went into mute. If you pause the CD player and start it after that it would resume audio. So the virtual gun would kill the audio! Theta did not fix it and told me the solution was to get the new Casablanca II (at the time) which did not have the issue. They blamed the mastering of the disc and/or my Pioneer DVD player I had at the time. My solution was to sell it and get an Outlaw 990. It gave me the features I wanted and none of the high end weirdness or expense. Both mated well to my Sunfire Cinema Grand. I'm waiting for reports on the 9.8 before I pull the trigger.
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I had a Theta Casablanca that had issues with a couple discs. This is funny. On one CD, Dream Theater's "Scenes From A Memory" there are gun shots and after one of them the unit went into mute. If you pause the CD player and start it after that it would resume audio.

I had the exact same problem with the Anthem D1 and one track on the CD Evil's Toy - Silvertears. I mailed a copy of the CD to Anthem and they fixed the problem.

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I'm picking up my 9.8 this evening!

According to my dealer, they ordered two units and only got one in.
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It will all come down to how good (or bad) the DTC-9.8 sounds. Having excellent DACs and a good strategy for multiple discrete power supplies bodes well in this regard. As long as they didn't hose the output stage with bargain basement electrolytics and op-amps, it should sound at least as good as its predessor, which wasn't bad.

One thing is for certain, bugs will present themselves. As Gary said just above, his Theta Casablanca had its share. Halcro owners are waiting for almost a year for an upgrade to pass multi channel LPCM over HDMI (thats not even even v1.3) for their $10K processor. And the upgrade alone costs more than the street price of a DTC-9.8!

IF the Integra passes muster with regard to sound quality two things are certain to occur: the backorder problem with Anthem D2's will suddenly be resolved and the gross value of Audiogon pre-pro resales will drop precipitouslly as owners of megabuck pre-pros jam the exits.

In the end, equilibrium will be found among sound quality, ability to tolerate the inevitable bugs, and accounting skills.

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Integra (Onkyo) threw the industry a big uncle charlie curve ball with their prices. OEM had already unzipped their pants with prices in the stratosphere. Price adjustments will come next year but maybe too late to stop Onkyo/Integra from grabbing a lions share of this years sales. They are getting back in the game in a big way. If the new product line reviews well, they will have pulled off the biggest upset in a decade.

Gotta agree...I believe they are going to grab a big chunk of this year's market.

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I'm picking up my 9.8 this evening!

According to my dealer, they ordered two units and only got one in.

NOW, you're on the hot seat!!!

Be prepared for a LOT of interrogations....I mean, questions.

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I'm picking up my 9.8 this evening!

According to my dealer, they ordered two units and only got one in.

Sweet!!!!!! Please post your initial impressions.
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I'm picking up my 9.8 this evening!

According to my dealer, they ordered two units and only got one in.

ah, skrew your initial impressions. Have your butt signed on in this thread by midnight or we are all commin' over there!
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ah, skrew your initial impressions. Have your butt signed on in this thread by midnight or we are all commin' over there!

Pls don't live us hangging, just pop in for a min or two!

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ah, skrew your initial impressions. Have your butt signed on in this thread by midnight or we are all commin' over there!

...and don't tell us it was raining outside; It rains 300 days out of the year in Seattle. Live with the pain!!!
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...and don't tell us it was raining outside; It rains 300 days out of the year in Seattle. Live with the pain!!!

Your trip home with that pre-pro will be like a salmon swimming upstream and we are all the grizzly bears.
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Your trip home with that pre-pro will be like a salmon swimming upstream and we are all the grizzly bears.

Like a long protracted run through the spanking machine!
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I'm picking up my 9.8 this evening!

According to my dealer, they ordered two units and only got one in.

Ok...who won the bet and had post#457?

Not me, I chose #523.

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NOW, you're on the hot seat!!!

Be prepared for a LOT of interrogations....I mean, questions.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!

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Ok...who won the bet and had post#457?

Not me, I chose #523.

He hasn't posted with machine in hand yet --

I am amazed it is below #500!
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He hasn't posted with machine in hand yet --

I am amazed it is below #500!

There's still plenty of time!
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There's still plenty of time!

I could be wrong but I thought the bet was "I got mine today".

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We could all place bets on what post number will contain the first user report of someone who has one.

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This was the actual bet...so I guess he really don't have one so he has no "User report"

I still have hope for 523.

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Feedback from an insider!


All I can say is I hope he is wrong. But it looks like orders from dealers are running a lot higher than Onkyo expected so dealers would be lucky if they get 30-40% of what they ordered. We should know in the next few days. Given this coupled with the fact that Integra dealers normally don't stock units, it could be worse as demand from customers comes in after the initial release.

OK. I was wrong. The dealers are getting only 15% initially of what they ordered. Maybe another 15% in a week or two.
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OK. I was wrong. The dealers are getting only 15% initially of what they ordered. Maybe another 15% in a week or two.


mlharges dealer got 50%.

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mlharges dealer got 50%.


15% or rounded out to the nearest whole unit. Pretty tough to split up a 9.8 into little pieces!
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Pretty tough to split up a 9.8 into little pieces!

If mine don't work the way it's supposed to, it won't be so tough. I have been know to throw things or smash them for "failure to respond to kindness".

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I am waiting patiently for mlharges to post SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I believe that is a PS3 issue.


I would agree with this. I have these pops in my system with only the PS3. Everything else is pop free with my ref50. Although slightly annoying, I couldnt care less about the pops. This is a non issue IMO.

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It's going to be a long wait for a lot of people. The initial shipment of DTC 9.8 is expected to be relatively small.

That's what I've heard. I'm #2 on the dealers first allocation shipment.

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I hae been following this thread and I have one question. How can they offer the feature set of this unit at <$2000? I just demo'd a Krell S-1000 ($6500) and it was a toy frankly. I don't want to get into what I currently own but am always looking for new things. Krell has a BIG name and a big price tag. It didn't have a lot of the features of the 9.8. Does that mean the 9.8 has provided these features with very low end components and the sound and video quality will be lacking? Please don't take this entry as being argumentative because I would really like to demo one of these units. I would just like to know audiowise how does the 9.8 sound compared to the Krell, Anthem, Lexicon etc.

Gene

Who knows, but for the money can't be that bad. Krell and the likes are becoming a joke to me, with their snobby attitude, and outdated obsolete components, and outragous prices to boot. But as always YMMV.

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