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Have a question for you guys. The HDMI upconversion with the REON processor: does it ONLY upconvert signals from analog connections (composite, S-vid, component)? It does NOT upconvert any SD signals from HDMI, correct?

If so, why the hoopla on the 905/875 vs. the lesser 805? Most if not all the video sources (DVR, DVD, etc.) these days uses HDMI. Seems the video processing in these processors are redudant with HDMI inputs.
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Bodega,

I believe it will upconvert SD signals from HDMI exactly as you ask. It just won't affect that signal if it is already in 1080P.

Early on, BFDTV (Man I hope I got that right) wrote some great info on the upconverting capabilities.

The funny thing is, I feel like everyone has gone on a completely different tangent from what I was looking for in this conversion, scaling, and de-interlacing.

I use OTA for HD signals in Los Angeles. I get great reception and my Samsung HL-S6187W takes a great signal (1080i or 720P) and displays it in 1080P. However, I understand that the Reon-VX will do a much better job at de-interlacing the 1080i and 720P signals and giving me an even better picture on my already great TV (with HD signals fed to it). Because my tuner is internal, there is nothing that can be done there. But my Sony HD DVR outputs all formats in their native format. I can feed that HDMI signal through the 905 to the TV and should end up with a fantastic picture. It seems like many people have shown much more concern with SD signals that refining and getting what they REALLY wanted when moving to HD.

I am on a preorder for the 905. I have started getting a little leary about it after reading a few things from people with their 875s. But reading the website and then the press release for the 905 have started getting me excited again. This should be a great receiver. A great upgrade for my Denon 3300.

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Correct me if iam wrong am i right to say that the Reon is able to upconvert/upscale to 1080i or 720p from my SD DVD player? Thats provided i dont do any upscaling on the Oppo 981 and should leave it at native 480p else it would just do a pass through to the display? My native resolution on my Sharp is 1080i/720p, will be upgrading to a 1080p display at the end of the year.

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You know, it is funny that you say that. I saw the same thing. But I was also reading through the new product release that Eric (egcarter) had posted and they did mention Flagship in the middle:



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Curiouser and curiouser. I wonder if it's their flagship or not. If you look back on the nr1000 page they say flagship in the 2nd line.
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I believe it will upconvert SD signals from HDMI exactly as you ask. It just won't affect that signal if it is already in 1080P.

Early on, BFDTV (Man I hope I got that right) wrote some great info on the upconverting capabilities.



Katman,

Reading more and more about this, I don't think any of the Onkyo's upconvert HDMI input signals. If you feed it a video signal via HDMI, it just passes it through. Everything I've read about it (including the manual) states:

"HDMI upconversion of composite video, S-Video, and component sources (720p, 1080i, 1080p capable)."

It's not a really useful feature if it can't upconvert/scale/de-scale a HDMI input video source.

Someone please tell me otherwise?
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Katman,

Reading more and more about this, I don't think any of the Onkyo's upconvert HDMI input signals. If you feed it a video signal via HDMI, it just passes it through. Everything I've read about it (including the manual) states:

"HDMI upconversion of composite video, S-Video, and component sources (720p, 1080i, 1080p capable)."

It's not a really useful feature if it can't upconvert/scale/de-scale a HDMI input video source.

Someone please tell me otherwise?

Thats exactly what i want to find out also

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I have not received my 875 as of yet. And from day one I planned to end up with the 905 anyway. I found a good home for the 805 (my parents) as I will for the 875 (I will sell it in a few weeks for a great price). I will still post over there but right now most posts I am reading are repeated questions. When there is something I feel I could help out on then I will definitely post .

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Reading more and more about this, I don't think any of the Onkyo's upconvert HDMI input signals. If you feed it a video signal via HDMI, it just passes it through. Everything I've read about it (including the manual) states:

"HDMI upconversion of composite video, S-Video, and component sources (720p, 1080i, 1080p capable)."

It's not a really useful feature if it can't upconvert/scale/de-scale a HDMI input video source.

Someone please tell me otherwise?

Could someone run a 480i signal from their DVD or cable into their 875 via HDMI, then see what their HDTV says it's receiving? If the display info screen says 480i is coming in, then the HDMI signal is just being passed through and the TV is doing the deinterlacing/scaling. If the display says it's receiving a 1080p signal, then the 875 must be doing it's job.
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hey extreme tech has it in an article today
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Could someone run a 480i signal from their DVD or cable into their 875 via HDMI, then see what their HDTV says it's receiving? If the display info screen says 480i is coming in, then the HDMI signal is just being passed through and the TV is doing the deinterlacing/scaling. If the display says it's receiving a 1080p signal, then the 875 must be doing it's job.

Yea could svalley or bass addict help to confirm this? We are all waiting for a confirmation on the Reon upscaling from HDMI sources. If it dosent I would rather stick to the 805 rather than the 875.

Btw when it says upscale to 1080p does it mean it can upscale to the max e.g 720p depending on your display?

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From the extremetech review:

The Onkyo SR875 has a Silicon Optix Reon video processor built in, which does an excellent job of upscaling standard-definition video. We used Silicon Optix's own HQV DVD video quality test, piping the video in native 480i format through a Yamaha DVD-S2300.

The Onkyo allows you to scale any input to 1080p and pipe it out the HDMI monitor output. As expected, the Onkyo unit scored a solid 120 (out of a possible 130), with only minor issues visible in the HQV noise reduction tests. (We did our best to set the Sony HDTV to do no processing, including disabling noise reduction and edge enhancement.)

The same can't be said for the DVD upscaling from either the Sony BDP-S300 or Toshiba HD-A20 players. Neither scored better than 80 on the HQV test, and the BDP-S300 couldn't pass the racetrack 3:2 pulldown testpretty disappointing for a $500 product.

That is music to my ears, hearing the HQV score. Still impatiently waiting for my 875 preorder from VE.
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Hi guys,

Just a quick question... I'm in Europe where the use of SCART connections is ubiquitous. Obviously, worldwide-distributed AVRs like this only offer composite, s-video and component analogue inputs. If the Reon will then be cleaning up the source, does it matter if say vhs is input via composite or s-video? On a pricier note, SCART RGB (the highest quality of SCART, akin to component) to component converters exist - would it be worth bothering with - or just feed it s-video?

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From the extremetech review:

The Onkyo SR875 has a Silicon Optix Reon video processor built in, which does an excellent job of upscaling standard-definition video. We used Silicon Optix's own HQV DVD video quality test, piping the video in native 480i format through a Yamaha DVD-S2300.

The Onkyo allows you to scale any input to 1080p and pipe it out the HDMI monitor output. As expected, the Onkyo unit scored a solid 120 (out of a possible 130), with only minor issues visible in the HQV noise reduction tests. (We did our best to set the Sony HDTV to do no processing, including disabling noise reduction and edge enhancement.)

The same can't be said for the DVD upscaling from either the Sony BDP-S300 or Toshiba HD-A20 players. Neither scored better than 80 on the HQV test, and the BDP-S300 couldn't pass the racetrack 3:2 pulldown testpretty disappointing for a $500 product.

That is music to my ears, hearing the HQV score. Still impatiently waiting for my 875 preorder from VE.

Ah that finally answers it all. Iam still en-route for the 875!
Btw can i select to the Onkyo 875 to scale to 720p or 1080i?

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From the extremetech review:

The Onkyo SR875 has a Silicon Optix Reon video processor built in, which does an excellent job of upscaling standard-definition video. We used Silicon Optix's own HQV DVD video quality test, piping the video in native 480i format through a Yamaha DVD-S2300.

Encouraging review, but he doesn't say if the Yamaha DVD player was connected to the 875 via HDMI. Does anyone know if the Yamaha even outputs 480i over HDMI? Few DVD players do. My guess it was via component, which would not answer the question about how HDMI input is handled.
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So this may be in the wrong section, but I am planning on buying the new Samsung HL-T6189s (or 87s, I dont think it makes a huge difference for this question)

I also am upgrading to DirecTV HR-20, and currently don't have any HD sources for DVD. Just my trusty toshiba DVD player with component outputs. So will the 875 benefit me for this setup, since the DLP accepts 1080p over HDMI? Or should I save a few bucks and go with the 805.

I will soon upgrade to HD-DVD or Blueray, whichever wins, or get a combi player, which I will assume will output 1080p, which wont need the REON.

For a majority of my viewing via DirecTV, do I gain much with the REON??

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Taken from Etremetech

Video and the TX-SR875
The Onkyo SR875 has a Silicon Optix Reon video processor built in, which does an excellent job of upscaling standard-definition video. We used Silicon Optix's own HQV DVD video quality test, piping the video in native 480i format through a Yamaha DVD-S2300.

The Onkyo allows you to scale any input to 1080p and pipe it out the HDMI monitor output. As expected, the Onkyo unit scored a solid 120 (out of a possible 130), with only minor issues visible in the HQV noise reduction tests. (We did our best to set the Sony HDTV to do no processing, including disabling noise reduction and edge enhancement.)

The same can't be said for the DVD upscaling from either the Sony BDP-S300 or Toshiba HD-A20 players. Neither scored better than 80 on the HQV test, and the BDP-S300 couldn't pass the racetrack 3:2 pulldown testpretty disappointing for a $500 product.


Part of the problem with both players is that they output only at one resolution over HDMI. If you set them for 1080p (or 1080p/Auto in the case of the Sony), then they upscale DVD content using their own internal video processors. The Onkyo's Reon processor can't help in those cases. For that reason alone, you might want to keep your older DVD player around, set it to 480i, and let the Onkyo do the upscaling and de-interlacing.

I should note that, HQV tests aside, most actual DVD content looked pretty good on both players. Though the Sony flunked the HQV 3:2 pulldown test, a number of DVDs subjectively looked better to our eyes than the Toshiba HD-DVD unit.

For that reason alone, you might want to keep your older DVD player around, set it to 480i, and let the Onkyo do the upscaling and de-interlacing.

hmm that means you have to send in native resolution for the Reon processor to work.

We still dont know if the Yamaha DVD-S2300 is connected through HDMI!!!!!

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The unit upconverts via HDMI as advertised. I can send a 480i signal to the 875 and my pj displays a 750p signal. You can set the Onkyo to upscale to the desired resolution. It will upscale to 1080p, however that setting produces a worse picture in my case. When the 875 is set to 1080 my pj displays 1080i. It does not touch native 1080p resolution unfortunately. I have to set the PS3 to 720p as it will not downconvert a 1080p signal to 720.

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I have an early DVD-S2300 and it doesn't have HDMI. I know that there was a revision to it, and is called the DVD-S2300MkII on Yamaha's site. It added Faroudja DCDi and "30p compatibility" but there is no mention of HDMI on the web site.

I'm trying to figure out if I should get an Oppo or stick with the S2300. I use the S2300 for DVD-Audio and SACD, the Oppo would allow me to send those over HDMI which would be nice. The Oppo is supposed to be pretty good for DVD and upscaling by itself, but I'm assuming the Reon would be slightly better.

[quote]So this may be in the wrong section, but I am planning on buying the new Samsung HL-T6189s (or 87s, I dont think it makes a huge difference for this question)[/QOUTE]
I just got the 87s. I'll be hooking it up tonight. I'm on the waiting list at J&R so it may be a while before I can figure all these questions out. I've got to figure out what my Motorola cable box can do and how the HDMI is affected by the 875.
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Yea could svalley or bass addict help to confirm this? We are all waiting for a confirmation on the Reon upscaling from HDMI sources. If it dosent I would rather stick to the 805 rather than the 875.

Btw when it says upscale to 1080p does it mean it can upscale to the max e.g 720p depending on your display?

I posted a few pages back. Yes, the 875 upscaling every input (HDMI, Component,
Composite) from 480i/p, 720p, 1080i to 1080p. The only thing it doesn't touch
is 1080p input from HDMI and Component. Actually it won't pass my XBOX360
1080p component to HDMI (blank screen) someone said it is MS problem and
will be fixed in the future.
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I posted a few pages back. Yes, the 875 upscaling every input (HDMI, Component,
Composite) from 480i/p, 720p, 1080i to 1080p. The only thing it doesn't touch
is 1080p input from HDMI and Component. Actually it won't pass my XBOX360
1080p component to HDMI (blank screen) someone said it is MS problem and
will be fixed in the future.

Thanks svalley and bass addict. That gives me an assurance as i had already put a deposit for the 875 which will arrive next friday.

It will be interesting to do an A/B comparison with the Oppo 981 and Reon upscaling processing. By right the Reon is a much superior video chip then the faroudja.

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I have not received my 875 as of yet. And from day one I planned to end up with the 905 anyway. I found a good home for the 805 (my parents) as I will for the 875 (I will sell it in a few weeks for a great price). I will still post over there but right now most posts I am reading are repeated questions. When there is something I feel I could help out on then I will definitely post .

Hang in there Joerod I am looking forward to your component video results on your temporary 875 when she's all hooked up.
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Thanks grubavs for sharing.

Btw do you have the link to download the pdf manual for the 875?

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Hi
I read this many times:

"Auto:
Select this to have the AV
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vert video at resolutions not
supported by your TV. "

... and i am not sure to understand, In other term could you explain when we are using this setup?

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It will be interesting to do an A/B comparison with the Oppo 981 and Reon upscaling processing. By right the Reon is a much superior video chip then the faroudja.

Here is an interesting except from CNET's review (click here) of the Toshiba HD-XA2 player which uses the Reon chip:

"While the HD-XA2 was generally very good at upscaling, it wasn't perfect. We also took a look at the introduction to Seabiscuit, which often gives players problems. We have to admit we were a bit surprised by this disc--we saw some significant jaggies in the black-and-white photos as the camera panned over them. We looked at the same sequence on the HD-A1 and the XA2 had the edge, although at some points the HD-A1 outperformed the XA2. We also compared it to the Oppo DV-981HD on this same sequence, and the DV-981HD had a definitive edge. So, while the upconversion on the HD-XA2 is very good, we still felt that the DV-981HD was significantly better."

I have the Oppo 981 connected to my 70" Sony and I can attest that it is excellent on DVD's!
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^^^ I find that very surprising to say the least.

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OK third time writing this, lol. To sum it up, yes the Onkyo has some annoying quirks, but who's to say the new Pioneer's or Denon's won't suffer from the same or worse. If this is the worst that happens I can deal with it until a fix is implemented. The Onkyo has a great feature set, a robust sound, and the Reon has a ton of potential with the right setup. All in all I still think it's a great receiver at a great value. I want something as future proof as possible (I am tired of upgrading receivers every year to stay compatible with the newest technology), and I think the Onkyo does it, despite it's minor idiosyncrasies.

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Hmm is the Reon chip on the Onkyo different? The reviews on Etremetech mention the HQV score is higher for the Reon on the Onkyo but lower on the Toshiba and Sony

The Onkyo allows you to scale any input to 1080p and pipe it out the HDMI monitor output. As expected, the Onkyo unit scored a solid 120 (out of a possible 130), with only minor issues visible in the HQV noise reduction tests. (We did our best to set the Sony HDTV to do no processing, including disabling noise reduction and edge enhancement.)

The same can't be said for the DVD upscaling from either the Sony BDP-S300 or Toshiba HD-A20 players. Neither scored better than 80 on the HQV test, and the BDP-S300 couldn't pass the racetrack 3:2 pulldown testpretty disappointing for a $500 product.

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Only the Tosh XA2 has the Reon chip for its players. For BR, I know the Sam 1200 has it, but not sure which others.
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Originally Posted by Blue 911 View Post

I have the Oppo 981 connected to my 70" Sony and I can attest that it is excellent on DVD's!

Granted, these things are subjective, but from first hand experience, the XA2 blows the 981 out of the water (on a Sony 60A2000).

The Reon's performance in the XA2 is what got me interested in the 875 in the first place...
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