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post #5971 of 6044 Old 08-15-2011, 08:43 PM
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Been reading up on My 875 on how to deal with 3D audio.

Just thought I would post that my unit has been flawless since purchase years ago.
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A little help if possible:

I was given an 875 by a friend. I had a 605. When using the 605 I had all the BD Audio Codec playing flawlessly. (True-HD, DTS-MA) On the 605 display those codecs would appear.

For some reason on the 875 I'm getting the secondary Audio Codec when ever I select (True-HD, DTS-MA)

I'm running a Panasonic BD-65 via bitstream into the 875. All connections are via HDMI..

Is there a setting within the 875 I must enable in order to get the 875 to decode DTS-MA True HD?

Thanks
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A little help if possible:

I was given an 875 by a friend. I had a 605. When using the 605 I had all the BD Audio Codec playing flawlessly. (True-HD, DTS-MA) On the 605 display those codecs would appear.

For some reason on the 875 I'm getting the secondary Audio Codec when ever I select (True-HD, DTS-MA)

I'm running a Panasonic BD-65 via bitstream into the 875. All connections are via HDMI..

Is there a setting within the 875 I must enable in order to get the 875 to decode DTS-MA True HD?

Thanks
That sounds more like a setting in the Panasonic BD-65. Have you checked the settings there. My 875 automatically plays the bitstreams when sent from my Panasonic.
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That sounds more like a setting in the Panasonic BD-65. Have you checked the settings there. My 875 automatically plays the bitstreams when sent from my Panasonic.

Thanks for the response Craig. I tried every setting possible on the Panasonic. I would continue to use the 875 running LPCM, but I have been having major HDMI Handshaking issues with the Panny also.

Then to top it of, I put my 605 back into the entertainment area yesterday & she decided to give up on me.....

Really bummed out cause now I gotta go out & spend $$$$ I really don't have to get another receiver..
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I happen to have an 875 that is without any issues that I've been offering up to forum members on occasion as I'm in no rush to sell it and often think I probably shouldn't. Original box, remotes, manuals, etc.

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For some reason on the 875 I'm getting the secondary Audio Codec when ever I select (True-HD, DTS-MA)

I had a very similar issue (using a Onkyo 875 and a Panasonic BD30), which seemed impossible to solve. Until I decided to do a factory reset on the BD30 (as recommended by someone on this forum) and it is working ever since.
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We'll I got the 605 working.. I had my rears connected in correctly. But now I'm getting secondary audio from the 605.

I'm on the phone with Panasonic, trying to get this solved
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We'll I got the 605 working.. I had my rears connected in correctly. But now I'm getting secondary audio from the 605.

I'm on the phone with Panasonic, trying to get this solved

Hi BFJ 96, are you playing the actual BD movie or previews? Note that previews plays as PCM and DD.
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Hi BFJ 96, are you playing the actual BD movie or previews? Note that previews plays as PCM and DD.

It's the player. I did a reset on the ONKYO 605 with Customer Support. Put a D-True HD Movie in & the receiver showed DD, which is the secondary audio. On the phone again with Panasonic
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Everything is working properly now with the 605. Thanks for the help everyone. The BD-65 needed to be reset again. I'm soooo tempted to see if the 875 will work with the BD-65 now that it's been reset, but scared of that hand-shake issue popping up again...

Thanks for the help everyone
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Is there a way I can hook up two subs to this receiver w/o using a Y splitter? and control each sub separately?
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nope... you have to use a Y-spliiter and configure each sub manually. If you use different subs, it can be a bear to configure and get a balanced sound in a room.

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I have a question regarding the optical out port. Will it output audio from an HDMI in port? I'd like to hook up a set of wireless headsets which require optical input. They do 5.1 surround. Unfortunately all my inputs are HDMI and I suspect, based on the manual diagrams, that the audio from HDMI is not output to the optical out port. If anyone has any confirmation on this, I would be very appreciative.
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I have a question regarding the optical out port. Will it output audio from an HDMI in port? I'd like to hook up a set of wireless headsets which require optical input. They do 5.1 surround. Unfortunately all my inputs are HDMI and I suspect, based on the manual diagrams, that the audio from HDMI is not output to the optical out port. If anyone has any confirmation on this, I would be very appreciative.

Had same issue and the only resolution available was using the headphone jack input on the front panel. It mutes output to the speakers, but that should not be a problem unless one is using headphones for hearing impairment while others are listening via speakers at the same time. And, yes, HDMI audio is output through the headphone jack.
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Had same issue and the only resolution available was using the headphone jack input on the front panel. It mutes output to the speakers, but that should not be a problem unless one is using headphones for hearing impairment while others are listening via speakers at the same time. And, yes, HDMI audio is output through the headphone jack.

Drat. Thanks for the response. So the manual is correct in its diagrams.

Back to the drawing board for me...
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Just have a quick question, my 875 is starting to produce a clicking sound from the front speakers. Has this happened to anyone else? I have all my av components running thru my Denon 602Ci Vp to the 875 it happens more with my dtv hr24 and occasionally thru my sony blu ray changer. It seems to happen more when changing audio formats from commercials back to the program with dolby digital, if i switch to thx mode it goes away for a while then will happen again. It is really annoying and was thinking of getting a new 809. I love the quality and it would be great if i could stop it from happening. I think it may be an hdmi sync issue. Thanks for any input.
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My problem is described extensively (see link at the end). But i also have to consider the possibility of a receiver malfunction. So my Q is here: Why does the Onkyo processes PS3 and DVB-C streams correctly but not from my HTPC anymore. Just started out of the blue three days ago while nothing on anything in the chain has changed.
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My problem is described extensively (see link at the end). But i also have to consider the possibility of a receiver malfunction. So my Q is here: Why does the Onkyo processes PS3 and DVB-C streams correctly but not from my HTPC anymore. Just started out of the blue three days ago while nothing on anything in the chain has changed.

try swapping the inputs around and see if the problems follow the swap... If the problems remain on the same input, then the issue is the receiver. If the problems follow the change, then the problems is likely the HTPC.

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Owners of the Onkyo TX-NR875... Many of you remember that there was a infamous issue called the DTS HD Master bomb that appeared a few years ago. A firmware update supposedly fixed that.

Unfortunately the release of the Star Wars Blu-Ray disc proved that to be wrong. Skipping to chapter 16 on Star Wars: A New Hope would result in an extremely loud explosion on your speakers because of a decoding program issue on the DTS DSP decoding chip in September 2011.

Onkyo has finally released a firmware update for the 905. I think the 875 uses the same firmware as the 905. Owners must contact Onkyo for the update disc. They will not post the fix online as apparently I was the only one reporting the issue so they will be handling the updates on a case by case basis.

They can be reached at 1-800-229-1687 option #3.

See this link for more info...

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try swapping the inputs around and see if the problems follow the swap... If the problems remain on the same input, then the issue is the receiver. If the problems follow the change, then the problems is likely the HTPC.

Thx for replying.
I did that already, problems stays. Still it's strange that the stream from my HTPC is (directly without the receiver in the middle) processed without any problems by two different flatscreens. Anyway, I will swap the mobo Tuesday and also have another receiver available to try out. I only hoped that I might had been overlooking something, but probably I did not.
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After replacing the MOBO in the HTPC it turned out that, as in other places already was suggested, the Onlyo is the perp, probably the HDMI board Onkyo. Very disappointing for a 4 year old rather expensive receiver
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After replacing the MOBO in the HTPC it turned out that, as in other places already was suggested, the Onlyo is the perp, probably the HDMI board Onkyo. Very disappointing for a 4 year old rather expensive receiver

Unfortunately, with all the new technologies released every year, the manufacturers are in a race to who can come out with what first... HDMI, 3D, upscaling, Audyssey, different audio codecs, more amplifiers, etc. The problem is all this stuff costs money and something suffers to maintain their price point. All the companies are using cheaper parts which fail sooner or cut corners which again leads to failures.

Onlyo is not the only manufacturer with issues... Denon, Pioneer, Yamaha all have had their share of bad luck. But Onkyo seems to be the one with the biggest problems. HDMI boards, front panel boards. Onkyo has had major issues since the x05 models four years ago. To make matters worst, Onkyo's customer service is atrocious. Marantz and Denon's service is as bad as Onkyos.

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In the past I have owned a couple of 875's
Both had issues and one the infamous HDMI board failure..it was fixed under warranty

anyway..I sold them both a while back

I was trolling around Ebay and saw one that said "video output not working"

I bought it for $40..plus shipping

Hooked it up today..did a set up and everything is working fine
granted I have only run it an hour..but all is good

I think WTF...really?

question for those that have had HDMI board issues

Is the problem intermittent? ...might notice something different after many hours of use?

I was kinda under the impression it either worked or it didnt

I have tried 3 of the 4 HDMI inputs..they all work
the one output is fine as well

Maybe I got lucky...though honestly I dont need this thing I just bought it because it was priced at $40.00


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In the past I have owned a couple of 875's
Both had issues and one the infamous HDMI board failure..it was fixed under warranty

anyway..I sold them both a while back

I was trolling around Ebay and saw one that said "video output not working"

I bought it for $40..plus shipping

Hooked it up today..did a set up and everything is working fine
granted I have only run it an hour..but all is good

I think WTF...really?

question for those that have had HDMI board issues

Is the problem intermittent? ...might notice something different after many hours of use?

I was kinda under the impression it either worked or it didnt

I have tried 3 of the 4 HDMI inputs..they all work
the one output is fine as well

Maybe I got lucky...though honestly I dont need this thing I just bought it because it was priced at $40.00


Warren

I had a similar issue with my 905... it was a HDMI board which somehow unseated itself. After popping it back in, everything was fine... Maybe the shipping popped it back in place...

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Dear users of Onkyo TX-SR875

I have searched through the posts but haven't found any satisfactory answer.

I have been looking for a AV Receiver with near audiophile quality stereo output.

I have an opportunity to buy a pre-owned in excellent condition Onkyo TX-SR875 .

I know it is outstanding in home theater. However I badly need A/V receiver with (if not audiophile) excellent stereo through analogue outputs.
Is this Onkyo a good choice?

I will be using this (apart from home theater) for CDs and stereo SACDs.

If not, can you recommend me something else. It should be an older model since I am looking for something pre-owned.

I will be very grateful for any comments.
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While the Onkyo 875 has an excellent amp section, it will not be close to an audiophile system. You are not going to find any receivers with an amplifier section that can match up against a true audiophile system. The nature of AVRs is that they have to provide a lot of features at a set price. Because of that, the unit has to be a compromise to balance out the feature set otherwise it will be too expensive if it had been designed as the best of everything.

The only AVR I can remember than came closest to audiophile quality was the ARCAM models, but they are rare.

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@Jon S

Thank You for your comment.

I realise that I have raised the bar too high as far as expectations go for stereo.
Nonetheless, I am still looking for as good as possible AV receiver in terms of analogue stereo.

Perhaps some new models???

I will be grateful for any help.
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well, you are going to have a problem... No one can say this is better than that unless they actually compared it in the same environment. All of us buy one AVR and stick with it until we need to replace it. Right now, I have an Onkyo 906 and a 905. How it compares to a Pioneer, Yamaha or Sony? I really have no idea. Your best bet is to go to a dealer and compare them yourself or read online reviews.

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Some things I've found when doing Audyssey and measuring the results with room measurement equipment afterwards is:

- The more positions you measure, the worse the result at the main listening position is likely to be.

- The farther ANY measurement position is from the main listening position, the worse the final result at the listening position.

- The fewer number of measurements you use, and the closer they are to the main listening position, the better the results at the main listening position.

- Always measure the main listening position first.

- If seatbacks block sound from the back or sides or if sound can reflect off the back of the seat and come back to the microphone, recline the back so it is below microphone level, and consider throwing a heavy blanket over it to kill reflections.

- The more measurement positions you use and the more spread-out the measurement positions are, the more "averaged" sound in the room becomes. This is generally HARMFUL to the sound at the main listening position, but may be somewhat or very helpful for alternative seating positions.

- Getting the measurement microphone set at ear level is important. This should not be guessed at - have somebody measure ear height for each listening/measuring position and use the measurements to set the microphone height.

- Putting the microphone on a tripod gives MUCH better calibrations than placing the microphone on a stack of books or magazines. If you don't have a tripod and don't want to pay for one. Use some putty or fun-tak or blue-tak to stick the microphone to some sort of stick you can prop up vertical. You don't want a large surface under the microphone.

- To get the best sound at the listening position, 1st position should place the microphone in the center of your head - between your ear positions. 2nd position should be close to one of your ears. 3rd position should be close to your other ear. If you want SOME improvement for the seats to the left and right of the main listener's ears, put the 2nd and 3rd measurements a foot or 2 outboard of the main listener's ears. And don't do more than 3 measurements. If you measure in front of or behind the main listening position, Audyssey will do it's best to improve sound over the whole measuring area and this WILL sacrifice quality at the listening position.

Hope this helps you get a better calibration!

That makes sence I will try this. When i took measuerement 1 at listening position I would get a nice crossover or 60 to 80 for center and surrounds and 110 for L,R however when I did all 6 positions I would get a higher frequency response. I will try only 3 positions and see what results I get.
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This does only partially make sense, because the effects of room modes change within a few inches, sometimes quite dramatically, thus several measurement dispersed around the main listening position (creating something like a listening sphere with a 1 foot wide radius) will usually provide the best results, averaging out local sound variations due to room modes,
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