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post #451 of 5572 Old 10-21-2007, 09:16 PM
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I think his has been asked before, but I can't find it. - Can someone explain to me what features or capabilities the the 885 or 9.8 have that the Onkyo 905 receiver doesn't have? Or what are their advantages over the 905? From initial discussions, it seems likely that I will be able to get the 905 at a discount for somewhat less than the 885 or the 9.8. Although I would probably use only the processing and preamp sections of the receiver (since I have power amps), it might be possible that I could use at least some of the amp sections of the 905.

I think I have noted a promotional note saying that the components of the 885 are "hand picked," but I'm not sure what that means. - Does it mean that they are individually tested by hand, or what? I have also seen at least one note that there are lots of differences, but nothing that explained what those differences were (other than eliminating the power amps, with their heat and power consumption). From looking at the specs of the units, I can't identify any other differences.

Thanks for any clarification on this matter.

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Actually, the 905 has addtl capabilities like better Reon control (coming soon, supposedly, in 885/9.8 firmware). The biggest no/no for me is the 905's lack of balanced outputs. I need them for running music and movie surrounds (XLR and RCA), the music surround amp being a long IC run, aided by XLR capability.

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Rob, thanks for the offer dude, they come with the 885 only and are included for the price, they can be bought separate for the Integra, but I can't find any info on them at all in that case, the sad thing is that I had a set of them that came with my 885 but I moved them to someone else, now I have a rack setup and need them

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Hi Gary,
does the 9.8 have them? If so take mine before you send it I won't be needing them.
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You can have mine when it comes....whenever that is.



The rack ears are almost a $200 extra cost option for the Integra 9.8 units.
So I would think twice before just giving them away if I were a 885 owner, and did not need them.
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I sold my set for 50$ shipped to another member about a month ago, they retail for 79$ last I checked and are worth about that and thats pushing it, they are thin metal, cheap and flimsy but get the job done

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I sold my set for 50$ shipped to another member about a month ago, they retail for 79$ last I checked and are worth about that and thats pushing it, they are thin metal, cheap and flimsy but get the job done

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Now all of a sudden you know how much they cost, when before you did not?


I think egcarter who is a Integra dealer, mentioned that to buy the optional rack ears for a 9.8, that they were almost $200 MSRP retail.
If so, it would also account for the MSRP price difference between the two units. As the 885 has a MSRP that is about $200 more than the Integra 9.8.
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I think his has been asked before, but I can't find it. - Can someone explain to me what features or capabilities the the 885 or 9.8 have that the Onkyo 905 receiver doesn't have? Or what are their advantages over the 905? From initial discussions, it seems likely that I will be able to get the 905 at a discount for somewhat less than the 885 or the 9.8. Although I would probably use only the processing and preamp sections of the receiver (since I have power amps), it might be possible that I could use at least some of the amp sections of the 905.

I think I have noted a promotional note saying that the components of the 885 are "hand picked," but I'm not sure what that means. - Does it mean that they are individually tested by hand, or what? I have also seen at least one note that there are lots of differences, but nothing that explained what those differences were (other than eliminating the power amps, with their heat and power consumption). From looking at the specs of the units, I can't identify any other differences.

Thanks for any clarification on this matter.

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I originally ordered the 885 and after months of waiting, it finally showed up one day on my door step, but sadly my 885 was defective. It has the infamous 'headphones' icon on, so I sent it back to the place where I ordered it and ask for a refund, since I have to wait forever again to get a replacement.

I went ahead and purchased the 905 about a week ago and I'm pretty happy so far. Couple features that the 905 has and lacks compared to the 885:
-The 905 has PlayforSure where you can stream audiofiles from you computer via ethernet, stream from flash device via USB source and stream from internet radio
-The 885 has 15 multiband EQ vs. 7 for the 905
-The 885 crossover EQ are in the increment of 5 vs. 10 for the 905
-And as discussed before, with the 905 you can control the Reon processor
-And of course the 905 has the internal amp
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Now all of a sudden you know how much they cost, when before you did not?


I think egcarter who is a Integra dealer, mentioned that to buy the optional rack ears for a 9.8, that they were almost $200 MSRP retail.
If so, it would also account for the MSRP price difference between the two units. As the 885 has a MSRP that is about $200 more than the Integra 9.8.

when did I say I didn't know what they cost ?

if they are in fact 200$(like I said I heard 79$) run like hell and get a Middle Atlantic RSH for 98$ bucks

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when did I say I didn't know what they cost ?

if they are in fact 200$(like I said I heard 79$) run like hell and get a Middle Atlantic RSH for 98$ bucks

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As you said above.....


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they can be bought separate for the Integra, but I can't find any info on them at all in that case,

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Actually I went back and found the post by egcarter, I was wrong. He said the rack mounts were "<$100" and not $200.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...3&postcount=49


Which is still overpriced for what they are, and still something because of that pricing, that I would not just give them away to someone if I had a set that I was not using at the time.
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XLR Balanced -I did a little search and can't seem to find it -

I've seen talk about true balanced and not really balanced outs on other forums about other amps etc. Does anyone know if these balanced outs are really balanced? My amp has true balanced connectors and I have a swarm of cables for all my interconnects. If my Onkyo ever arrives, I'd like to go balanced as I need new interconnect cables anyways. Does anyone know about this units balanced outs?

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As you said above.....

dude all I meant was that no one has them listed online to buy or even any info on them, just the part # from Integra/Onkyo

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I have a set of rack ears I am not using. PM me an offer of what your willing to pay, shipping included.
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William, thanks, PM sent

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XLR Balanced -I did a little search and can't seem to find it -

I've seen talk about true balanced and not really balanced outs on other forums about other amps etc. Does anyone know if these balanced outs are really balanced? My amp has true balanced connectors and I have a swarm of cables for all my interconnects. If my Onkyo ever arrives, I'd like to go balanced as I need new interconnect cables anyways. Does anyone know about this units balanced outs?

Thanks


It is a true balanced output, but the design is not dual differential. In other words, the pins are correct, but the analog output stage before that is not dual differential.

There are a LOT of amplifiers out there with true balanced inputs, but that does not make them a true balanced dual differential amp. My D2 and Statement amps have true balanced ins and outs, but neither are a dual differential design.

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Here's a question for those of you using the 885. This is the first pre/pro I've had that has OSD. When I push the button to make some changes via OSD it takes what seems like a very long time for it to pop up. I'd say somewhere around 6-8 seconds. Is this typical of any unit that does OSD or is this longer than typical.

Also I notice that switching between inputs also takes a long time to get both picture and sound (probably about the same time as OSD). My guess is that both are a function of the HDMI handshake so I'm wondering if this is something that could ever be improved with a firmware update or will it be this way forever.

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I just got this update from my Dealer
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Left voice mail with two folks at Onkyo Pro. The dealer sales website has changed your order from "backordered" to "in process". Will keep you advised.

Maybe I should start a pool on when I will get my 885

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Whoops, I guess I didn't cancel my order for the 885 from the other dealer. Just got a tracking number, it'll be here on Thursday .

But now what should I do with the 905? Should I keep it or return the 905 for 885...btw anyone want to buy a 885?
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Whoops, I guess I didn't cancel my order for the 885 from the other dealer. Just got a tracking number, it'll be here on Thursday .

But now what should I do with the 905? Should I keep it or return the 905 for 885...btw anyone want to buy a 885?

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Whoops, I guess I didn't cancel my order for the 885 from the other dealer. Just got a tracking number, it'll be here on Thursday .

But now what should I do with the 905? Should I keep it or return the 905 for 885...btw anyone want to buy a 885?

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Couple features that the 905 has and lacks compared to the 885:
-The 905 has PlayforSure where you can stream audiofiles from you computer via ethernet, stream from flash device via USB source and stream from internet radio
-The 885 has 15 multiband EQ vs. 7 for the 905
-The 885 crossover EQ are in the increment of 5 vs. 10 for the 905
-And as discussed before, with the 905 you can control the Reon processor
-And of course the 905 has the internal amp

You forgot one very important difference. The Onkyo 885 and Integra 9.8 have 3 12V trigger outs. The Onkyo 905 only has one 12V trigger out and it can only be used for Zone 2.

If you're using the 905 as a pre/pro I consider the omission of any main zone triggers to be a significant downside.
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$1800?

Why would I get this instead of a Rotel?

Maybe I am young and haven't started making the big bucks yet, but it's amazing how something like this costs an arm and a leg over a receiver that has all the same features, with amps included.
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I will not double post the same thing in two threads as I could see the heat it seemed to cause in this one so for those who want to see some pics:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=3964

Also if someone could help me with the question I have:

How do you get the OSD to output through the composite video and still use the HDMI switching of the DTC-9.8 to my projector? I need to have the OSD sent out to my AMX touch panels.

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$1800?

Why would I get this instead of a Rotel?

Maybe I am young and haven't started making the big bucks yet, but it's amazing how something like this costs an arm and a leg over a receiver that has all the same features, with amps included.

It's all about volume. A receiver will outsell a pre-pro, and this is just a guess, but I think at least 20 to 1. Cost of production reduces with the amount of units sold so a reciever that sells 100,000 units should be cheaper that a pre-pro that sells 5000. The actual contents probably don't play as much of a role as you would think.
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You forgot one very important difference. The Onkyo 885 and Integra 9.8 have 3 12V trigger outs. The Onkyo 905 only has one 12V trigger out and it can only be used for Zone 2.

If you're using the 905 as a pre/pro I consider the omission of any main zone triggers to be a significant downside.

Ahh yes you're right... the remote triggers. I used one AC to DC converter that goes on the outlet located on the back of the receiver for my remote trigger, I also used it to power 2 120mm fans. So far so good
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I will not double post the same thing in two threads as I could see the heat it seemed to cause in this one so for those who want to see some pics:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=3964

Also if someone could help me with the question I have:

How do you get the OSD to output through the composite video and still use the HDMI switching of the DTC-9.8 to my projector? I need to have the OSD sent out to my AMX touch panels.

Thanks.

I don't have my 9.8 yet but usually most components put out the OSD on both the composite and component "monitor outs" simultaneously and shouldn't be affected by HDMI.
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Any 9.8/885 owner are using your Ipod connector on the rear , are you using the cradle from Onkyo, or are there ones with better capabilities and just as cheap ?


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$1800?

Why would I get this instead of a Rotel?

Maybe I am young and haven't started making the big bucks yet, but it's amazing how something like this costs an arm and a leg over a receiver that has all the same features, with amps included.





Don't for get you need to shell out, another few dollars for amps section.
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