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Time for an "official" anticipation thread! New AV receivers are coming from Yamaha. Announcement is expected at IFA (Aug 31-Sep 5) and CEDIA (Sep 5-9).

Update: Official info is now available on Yamaha site:
Yamaha RX-V1800
Yamaha RX-V3800
Yamaha RX-Z11

Official MSRPs:
Yamaha RX-V3800: $1699.95
Yamaha RX-V1800: $1299.95
Unofficial MSRP:
Yamaha RX-Z11: "if you have to ask..." (somewhere around $4-5K)

Official Yamaha NPBs:
RX-V1800 New Product Bulletin
RX-V3800 New Product Bulletin
RX-Z11 New Product Bulletin

Competitor MSRPs for reference:
Denon 4308: $2499
Onkyo TX-NR905: $2099
Onkyo TX-NR875: $1699
Onkyo TX-NR805: $1099

M Code sez: 1800, 2800, 3800 and 4800, all are HDMI 1.3, SRP range $1099 to $2199.

No official word on the 2800 or 4800 yet.
Please post new info here or PM me. I'll update this post as new info becomes available.

PS> Yeah, I know. I don't need HDMI 1.3.

The following feature table is based on the official NPBs above. Please let me know if you think anything is incorrect or missing.
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It's a great time to need a new receiver. Serious contenders from Onko, Integra, Denon, Pioneer, Sony, and Yamaha. I don't think I can remember the last time there were so many hyped receivers.

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I'm also waiting for HDMI 1.3 compatible Yamaha receiver to replace my RX-V2500. I was looking for at least 3 to 4 in and 2 out. It looks like RX-V2800 is going to fit the bill. Hopefully they also fixed 1080P/24 pass through problems with the current HDMI receivers.

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It's a great time to need a new receiver. Serious contenders from Onko, Integra, Denon, Pioneer, Sony, and Yamaha. I don't think I can remember the last time there were so many hyped receivers.

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I also will be looking to replace my V2500. As long as one of these guys have at least 3 HDMI inputs, as well as like number component inputs, then this will be the year for me.
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So it would appear that the Yammy 1800 will be directly compared to the new Onkyo 875 model and the 2800 will be matched up against the 905.

As I have yet to pull the trigger on the 875 I've been eyeing (that are just now becoming available), I may have to hold out a bit longer to see all the official details and release dates for these two products form Yamaha.
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It's a great time to need a new receiver. Serious contenders from Onko, Integra, Denon, Pioneer, Sony, and Yamaha. I don't think I can remember the last time there were so many hyped receivers.

And the thing is, there's no clear winner. They each have features and goodies others don't.

However, if the new Yamahas have REON, it's a no brainer for me. I have the 6060 right now and it's fantastic.

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I have the 5960 and cant wait for the 1800 to come out, I also hope it has better up conversion. I'm actually excited to see this thing come out. It will be a nice upgrade.

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So it would appear that the Yammy 1800 will be directly compared to the new Onkyo 875 model and the 2800 will be matched up against the 905.
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It's hard to tell which Onkyo the 1800 would match up best against without knowing the scaler. 805 has the Faroudja while the 875 has Reon.
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Found preliminary info for the 3800 at AV-land, too. First topic updated.
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Looks like none of these have HD radio built in. That would have been nice. That to me is the one draw of the Onkyo 905.
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This is what I gathered from this thread and other pages, nothing new, just think this layout makes it easier to compare the 3, Let me know if I left anything out, I'll update as info comes available.



looks like only the 2800 and 3800 are contenders to have the Reon HQV Video processor (over the 1800), just from the feature set, looks like the hdmi ports on the 1800 are for switching purposes, and high quality uncompressed audio, unlike the other two who can deinterlace and scale SD and sub True HD material, although anything is possible, and I wouldn't put too much weight in these specs until yamaha comes out with the official specs in Aug.

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This is what I gathered from this thread and other pages, nothing new, just think this layout makes it easier to compare the 3, Let me know if I left anything out, I'll update as info comes available.

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Thanks, this is a much more useful way to look at the information. I added this to the first topic.
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What's the big advantage behind the Reon? Surprised that makers like Denon don't put a better component in a receiver that costs ~$2k.
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Seems odd that the 1800 wouldn't have analog upconversion at that price point...
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What's the big advantage behind the Reon?

If all you watch is Hi def movies and you have a 1080p display, then nothing. Reon is much better at de interlacing/upscaling than most other processors. It also doesn't suffer from the macro blocking issue that the DcDi has, in the past.

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Surprised that makers like Denon don't put a better component in a receiver that costs ~$2k.

Don't know what you're getting at here. Are you talking about the processor?

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What's the big advantage behind the Reon? Surprised that makers like Denon don't put a better component in a receiver that costs ~$2k.

Folks who've seen it report that it does a better job upscaling w/o the macro-blocking issues that have plagued the Faroudja. Of course, there are probably new Faroudja scalers, but the Reon has gained the reputation of being superior for now.
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Folks who've seen it report that it does a better job upscaling w/o the macro-blocking issues that have plagued the Faroudja. Of course, there are probably new Faroudja scalers, but the Reon has gained the reputation of being superior for now.

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If all you watch is Hi def movies and you have a 1080p display, then nothing. Reon is much better at de interlacing/upscaling than most other processors. It also doesn't suffer from the macro blocking issue that the DcDi has, in the past.



Don't know what you're getting at here. Are you talking about the processor?

I was just wondering why you would use an inferior processor on a pretty high end receiver. Keep costs down, obviously, but if you're a premium brand name, that doesn't make much sense to me.

So, if I'm watching regular DVD's or cable TV (SD or HD) on a 1080i/720p display, would I be able to tell the difference with the Reon over the Faroudja?
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I was just wondering why you would use an inferior processor on a pretty high end receiver. Keep costs down, obviously, but if you're a premium brand name, that doesn't make much sense to me.

So, if I'm watching regular DVD's or cable TV (SD or HD) on a 1080i/720p display, would I be able to tell the difference with the Reon over the Faroudja?

If you are talking about the new Denons then maybe. We have yet to see some in depth reviews of how the faroudja performs in this years lineup. Might be the same ol' but Denon also might have a trick up their sleeve.

The Reon is supposedly a much better upscaler and should make SD content look much better. I can tell you from experience, owning the 875, that I have a tough time telling the difference between it and the faroudja processor in my Pioneer 84. Now if only a sub 2000 dollar receiver would implement Realta.

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I don't know which I find more odd, that no one puts gold plated connectors including the speaker binding posts on receivers at this price range or Yamaha is choosing to do when no one else is.

I know it doesn't matter much but I've always hated the cheap connectors use and I am not buying the flagship model just to get decent connectors.

My current receiver is a Yamaha the thing that I noticed the most when I first got it is how fast it detects the sound format, when my old NAD takes a few seconds. I would have been tempted to get the Onkyo if it wasn't for the 4 seconds it takes to detects the sound format. Denons have a high THD for an receiver in their price range. So it looks like I going for Yamaha again.

Recently Yamaha seems to be paying more attention to the sound quality which is great, stops me from wanting to sacrifice features for hi-fi and wait for Rotel/Marantz.
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Any news on when they are "actually" coming out?
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The Yamaha will probably NOT have the Reon, if it did, it would be here:

http://www.hqv.com/products.cfm
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The Yamaha will probably NOT have the Reon, if it did, it would be here:

http://www.hqv.com/products.cfm

They haven't been introduced yet. Why would they be on the HQV page?
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They haven't been introduced yet. Why would they be on the HQV page?

Either have the Denon receivers which are "Available in October 2007" and they are listed on there. If you read it, you would know.
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The Yamaha will probably NOT have the Reon.

And it doesn't matter if they don't have it. I had always bought Sony ES AVR's until my last go around and bought the Yamaha 5790 and its the best receiver I've owned. My next receiver will be a Yamaha no matter what chips are in it.

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Either have the Denon receivers which are "Available in October 2007" and they are listed on there. If you read it, you would know.

Denon has announced them, they just aren't available yet. Even the new Denon Blu-ray player is not listed and it has been announced.
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. Even the new Denon Blu-ray player is not listed and it has been announced.

Good point! I stand corrected.
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So we can still hope for Reon. Or maybe even Realta for the 4800? Nah, that would be too much.
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I'm still hoping for some news before the end of August. See, for example, this posting from July 31, 2006 announcing the RX-V1700 and 2700:

http://www.audioholics.com/news/pres...1700-receivers
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