FOR EVERYONE WITH LIP SYNC ISSUES, HERE ARE SOME SOLUTIONS:
Guide on Correcting Onkyo Audio Sync Delay
(First I want to say that I didn't start off trying to make this as long as a "book".. its just ended up this way!
Lip sync is a problem with all these new Onkyo receivers in this series, including the higher priced models. You will find owners within every single model level that both will and will not agree that there is indeed audio lag that gets introduced through this receiver. I think the reason for this variance of opinions isn't due to the fact that some people are more tolerant then others. I believe this is due to the fact that "some" source components create lag on their own to begin with and perhaps they were not overly visible before. (key word being "some" components, not all). However, after the receiver is installed the situation worsened to the point of VERY noticeable. I say this because on my cable box (even before this receiver) some HD channels via HDMI never created lag and some other ones were ALWAYS laggy. After the receiver they ALL became laggy and the bad ones became unbelievably BAD! So, I just want to clarify the problem DOES exist, but the extent of the problem is unique to each persons source equipment setup. (ex. Cable boxes, satellite boxes, tivos, consoles, dvd players, etc)The good news is there are ways to fix this problem
so that it is within a range that is tolerable and near perfect; Rather then something that is just angering to watch and listen to.
Every mode you select on this receiver (ex. DVD, DVR, CBL, GAME, etc) each of these modes allow you to individually tweak the audio lag unique for each mode. So when you follow these steps below be sure to tweak the A/V settings for ALL of your difference modes. (Ex. PS3, Cable, Xbox 360, etc) They all produce unique lag and this receiver will remember different A/V Sync delay settings for each of these Video Modes. Even if you are using analog and not HDMI you may experience audio lag and these steps below will come close to curing them.
===================================Solution 1 (A/V Sync)on the remote click "menu" and then select:
> 4. Source Setup > A/V Sync > (tweak this setting)
Take your time when adjusting this option the more energy you put into making this setting perfect the less aggravation you have later. You will very likely be finding yourself doing little 10-20ms second tweaks and going back and watching the tv and then going back through the menus and tweaking again and again and again! Just hang in there!
A good tip is do 50-100ms jumps up an down the A/V Sync range until you think you are close.. then do the finite tweaking. Typically most things seem to sync up nice in the range of 0-70ms (I find with my equipment). However, one of my sources (a video game) required me to set the delay to the extreme high end. Just be sure to play around with the entire delay range before giving up if it doesn't work near 0ms you may need to jump it way higher.Cable/Sat HDTV Sync TIPS:
I suggest when you set up your Cable or Satellite box that you pick a good non voice laggy "HD" channel (something that never lagged before you bought this new receiver) If you bought this receiver the same time as your tv, then plug the cable box directly to the tv and find a channel that seems like voices have no lip sync lag (or very little). This will become your "guinea pig" A/V sync testing base line channel to tweak your receiver to. I mention this because some channels where I live lag badly even when the I have box plugged directly into my tv's hdmi slot. If I attempted to voice sync just for that "bad" channel.. all my other channels would be horribly out of sync. This is why you need to tweak the receiver to a good non laggy channel. The good news is, that if you can A/V sync your receiver to this base-line channel, the lip sync matches up nicely on all the other channels. Even the really troublesome channels seem to be slightly improved (perhaps even better then they were originally, in worst case scenario exactly how they were originally without the receiver making it worse). You just have to differentiate; is the lag coming from the "channel", or my receiver? Some channels will just always be out of wack.. I rather have the majority function correctly though instead of them all suffering for the one screwed up channel.Game Console Sync TIPS:
Video games are the easiest to tweak the A/V sync. Just find a game that produces a sound when you press a button on the controller.. you can adjust the A/V sync based on the delay between when you press the button, to the time when you hear the sound. In some ways this is a lot like setting the midi speed of midi musical instruments like keyboards and drum machines (for those of you who are musicians too) with really bad setting you press the button and a 1/4 second later you hear the sound. So this is a very tactile and easy sound sync trick for consoles.PS3 as a Blu Ray movie player and a gaming console Sync TIPS:
You may notice that ps3 has a dual personality when plugged in via hdmi with this receiver. You may notice blu ray movies play with no lip sync lag, but the video games on the ps3 do! (or vice versa) Here lies the dilemma. Since you can only tweak the A/V sync for the whole ps3, you have to chose which is more important for perfect sync. The video games or the movies?! The ultimate solution is just buy an external blu ray or hd dvd player and sync the ps3 for what it was made to do best (play video games). I myself use it to game and to watch movies. Thankfully I own a Xbox 360 and all the good games come out for that console and i find myself rarely playing PS3 anyway.
(I am sure I would get flamed for saying that on the Sony boards) Anyhow, I sync my receiver to watch movies perfectly on the PS3; But, yes the games can sometimes get WAY out of wack with the current settings I have chosen. Its up for you to decide.
===================================Solution 2 (Speaker Distance Trick) Use only for extreme lag situations
If you find you are at maximum A/V adjustment range (either at 0 or at 250) and you still are not in sync.. do this option below.
on the remote click "menu" and then select:
> 2. Speaker Setup > Speaker Distance > (adjust these distances)
For every 1 foot you add to these speakers you get approximately 1ms of reduced lip sync delay... ex. 10 ft = 10 ms. If you find that on some of your receivers mode settings you are at the extreme top or bottom end of A/V sync and you still cant get it perfect try this technique above. Please note that if you add 10 feet to 1 speaker add exactly 10 feet to all the speakers. What this is doing is tricking the receiver into thinking your speakers are further away then they actually are in reality and they compensate by playing sooner thereby reducing the delay even further then is allowed in A/V Sync. Please be mindful that the maximum speaker distance range this receiver allows you to set up for is 30 feet. If you decide you want to add 10 feet to all your speakers be sure you can add +10 for all of your speaker's settings without going over 30ft. on any of them. Just increase or decrease this distance accordingly for your setup.
Please note, that when you do this speaker distance increase, it is holistic for the entire receiver and not an individual mode option. If you do this you 'may' have to go back and re-compensate the A/V sync on some of your other modes that you already tweaked to perfection.
Lastly, I have tried this myself with a lot of experimenting over the last week. Even though increasing the speaker distance to near 30 feet distance provides the best overall A/V sync solution, it DOES come at a cost. The tonal quality of my playback seemed like it took a slight degradation when I increased the distance that far. You will have to be the judge of that for yourself. To me it wasn't a horrible quality decrease but it seemed noticeable enough for me to go back and reduce the distance I set to put some vibrancy back into my system. This Option in my opinion is a trade off, lip sync correction for listening quality. Its a tough choice so this is why I said use only for extreme situations. This distance trick may not have such a negative effect on all speaker brands. Be a judge for yourself before you rule this option out totally before trying it.
===================================Solution 3 (Lip Sync) All your equipment must be HDMI 1.3 and brand spanking new to get this feature!If you own a HDMI 1.3 TV do the following:on the remote click "menu" and then select:
> 7. Hardware Setup > HDMI > Lip Sync (switch this to enable)
now check for the following, select:
> 4. Source Setup > A/V Sync > "Lip Sync" option will now be visible below "A/V Sync" (tweak this setting)
I have an HDMI 1.2 tv so this rules me out of this category. However, the Onkyo manual says that if you select HDMI lip sync option in the Onkyo HDMI menu settings a new option will appear below the A/V sync option (described above) called Lip Sync ... this is an "extra" level of tweaking that you gain over other people. I know for a fact that if your tv is less then hdmi 1.3 this option is invisible in the Onkyo menu.
This lip sync delay adjustment may be that little extra bit that just makes everything sync up perfect. I have not tested this myself so I cant speak too greatly on this topic. Just know, if you have a full 1.3 hdmi setup (must be a 1.3 tv too) then you can play around with this feature and test it out.
I hope all this helps some of you new owners out there. Just spend your time really giving an honest effort in tweaking this lag situation and in the end you will be happier with your viewing experiences. I promise you!
Also, if you have something to add or correct on my post please let me know and I will add your edit in. We can use a link to this post to address this question for all the new buyers from this point forward. I created this because it seemed like we have this info spread out all over the place. Perhaps down the road, someone out there can take the time to start formulating an extensive FAQ with details and links to all the popular questions we can refer people to. It would make some of the regulars job here a little easier and be able to help people more efficiently at the same time.