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Is this thread dead???

In order to reply, someone has to have heard both amps

Based on the specs the crown has higher thd% and it uses fans for cooling. No idea how loud those fans are.
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In order to reply, someone has to have heard both amps

Based on the specs the crown has higher thd% and it uses fans for cooling. No idea how loud those fans are.

lol makes sense.. but thanks for your input, I went ahead and bought one of each.. will post my thoughts here soon..
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Ok guys as promised my comparative results on the Crown XLS 1000 and the Outlaw Audio Model 2200/200 as follows: First and foremost, I am no audiophile or anything close to that but I am also not exaggerating. So, please feel free to correct any technicalities if you may. FYI - this is simply IMHO:

Outlaw Audio M2200/M200 produces a more lively sound than the Crown XLS 1000. The vocals sounds amazingly transparent as though the singer is singing right in front of you in the room, the bass sounds tight and detailed, treble is clean and pleasant to listen to. Overall it brings nuances and detail to my system.

As for the Crown XLS 1000 most importantly it is much smaller in width and length but not the height, it is way lighter in weight than the Outlaw. As for the sound stage; it does produce more "sound" and even the panning is more realistic as sound moves around the room. You will definitely know it's loud but it will not hurt your ears, it is clean. I did not notice any fan noise as claimed by some users. As a matter of fact I think the fan does not even click in. And the amp is super cool even after two movies in a row!!

Overall, I think they both stand tall in their own respective ways and it is definitely a listeners choice between sound and detail. I personally prefer the Outlaw only because of some of the details I hear from them when it comes to music. And I am not a big fan of shinning led lights distracting my otherwise dark home theater! I like the clean black look of the outlaw better. But that was definitely not the biggest reason in deciding to keep it! IMHO anyone looking to get either one should listen to them both before deciding on one.
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How would these work at powering two Polk RTi10 fronts? how about a Polk CSi3 Center
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How would these work at powering two Polk RTi10 fronts? how about a Polk CSi3 Center

Based on the Polk's specs...

RTi10

Overall Frequency Response: 20Hz-27kHz
Lower -3dB Limit 35Hz
Upper -3dB Limit 26kHz
Nominal Impedance: 8 ohms
Recommended Amplifier Power: 20-300 w/channel
Efficiency: 89 dB

CSi3

Overall Frequency Response: 55Hz-27kHz
Lower -3dB Limit 65Hz
Upper -3dB Limit 26kHz
Nominal Impedance: 8 ohms
Recommended Amplifier Power: 20-180 w/channel
Efficiency: 89 dB


The M2200's would not have an issue driving these speakers.

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Ok guys as promised my comparative results on the Crown XLS 1000 and the Outlaw Audio Model 2200/200 as follows: First and foremost, I am no audiophile or anything close to that but I am also not exaggerating. So, please feel free to correct any technicalities if you may. FYI - this is simply IMHO:

Outlaw Audio M2200/M200 produces a more lively sound than the Crown XLS 1000. The vocals sounds amazingly transparent as though the singer is singing right in front of you in the room, the bass sounds tight and detailed, treble is clean and pleasant to listen to. Overall it brings nuances and detail to my system.

As for the Crown XLS 1000 most importantly it is much smaller in width and length but not the height, it is way lighter in weight than the Outlaw. As for the sound stage; it does produce more "sound" and even the panning is more realistic as sound moves around the room. You will definitely know it's loud but it will not hurt your ears, it is clean. I did not notice any fan noise as claimed by some users. As a matter of fact I think the fan does not even click in. And the amp is super cool even after two movies in a row!!

Overall, I think they both stand tall in their own respective ways and it is definitely a listeners choice between sound and detail. I personally prefer the Outlaw only because of some of the details I hear from them when it comes to music. And I am not a big fan of shinning led lights distracting my otherwise dark home theater! I like the clean black look of the outlaw better. But that was definitely not the biggest reason in deciding to keep it! IMHO anyone looking to get either one should listen to them both before deciding on one.

Did you use the Crown in bridged mono or have it drive 2 speakers? I assumed bridged mono for an equal comparison.

Where did you purchase the Crown from that allowed it to be returned? It seems Outlaw has a 30 day money back for their purchases.

The Crown seems very interesting for it's dual speaker configuration and it's cheaper than the Outlaw.

Does the Crown have any trigger on it? I dug through the manual but can't seem to find anything or is it a manual turn on each time. It seems the outlaw has this cool 3 watt standby mode so you don't have to worry about it.
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I've been running ML CLS's for two years w/o a crossover with a REL Stadium III and have been quite happy. The 2200's replaced two "Borg" Pass Labs Alephs at 100W. My room stays much cooler and the sound is still very good.
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I've been running ML CLS's for two years w/o a crossover with a REL Stadium III and have been quite happy. The 2200's replaced two "Borg" Pass Labs Alephs at 100W. My room stays much cooler and the sound is still very good.

I'm glad I found your post, I need a mono amp for a ML Cinema i and if I were to buy new, I will give the Outlaw a try, especially if it can run your CLS's. On a side note, about 15+ years ago I heard the CLS IIz at ML's sound room in KS and I have never heard anything like it to this day. They were stunning and holographic so nice choice in speakers.
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Hi everyone. I just purchased 2- 2200 monoblocks:D I currently have a Pioneer SC-25 powering my Energy RC 50's,RC LCR and RC 10's in the rear. I am gonna use the 2200's for my 50's. Will this be a nice upgrade in sound with my setup? I also heard that my center will sound better now that I have the amps are powering my 50's? Eventually I am gonna get another amp for my center channel.

Thanks in advance for any input.

I am also not sure how to connect it to my Pio. Unbalanced? Balanced? trigger? Sorry I have never had amps before.

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Hello everyone. I am getting two Outlaw Audio 2200 monoblocks that I scored for a very good price on Ebay. My question is: I currently have my RC-50's biamped with my Pioneer SC-25 using the rear surrounds. I have lost one of the jumpers for my 50's so I'm not sure how to biamp using the new setup. I was hoping someone could help. I was gonna just put the jumpers back in and run it normally but now I can't:mad:

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Hello everyone. I am getting two Outlaw Audio 2200 monoblocks that I scored for a very good price on Ebay. My question is: I currently have my RC-50's biamped with my Pioneer SC-25 using the rear surrounds. I have lost one of the jumpers for my 50's so I'm not sure how to biamp using the new setup. I was hoping someone could help. I was gonna just put the jumpers back in and run it normally but now I can't:mad:

I may be wrong, but can't you just connect the 2 with regular speaker wire if you wish?
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I know that nobody is probably following this thread anymore but I am selling my Outlaw monoblocks for $500. I will charge actual shipping . Very nice amps but my wife was pissed...lol PM me with any questions. Paypal is good. P1000486.JPG 154k .JPG file

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I guess, I am going to revive this thread. I currently own an Outlaw M2200, which is powering my center channel Polk Audio Monitor 25c. I was using a QSC-GX3 2 channel amp 300 wpc to power my front left / right (Monitor 70 series II), but I sold it yesterday locally. It was a good amp, but the fan was a bit too loud for me. So, now I am looking into buying 2 more Outlaw amps. I just found an Outlaw M200 at a really good price, which I am hoping I will get. Same amp as the M2200, but the M200 doesn't have the XLR hook ups, which I don't use. There after I am going to working on getting another M2200 / M200 to power up my front 3 speakers.

I like these little amps. They run cool, quiet and so far my center channel sounds a lot less brighter than my Monitor 70's. This is at pretty loud volumes at approximately -7 dB's. I'm eventually going to buy 4 M2200 / M200 total, which I eventually use to power up my surround / surround back speaker. I will eventually buy a 3 channel amp to power up my front 3, but at the moment, I am pretty surprise and happy with the M2200.biggrin.gif

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Mine are still running strong and i still need to buy 2 more for the surround backs.

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Mine are still running strong and i still need to buy 2 more for the surround backs.

I only want to power up the front 3. The surround / surround back speaker can be power by my AVR. I think 130 wpc is enough for them. However, I might end up buying 2 more, and using the Outlaws to power up my surround / surround back, and getting 3 channel amp for the front. However, this will depend on their prices. So, far I've paid $175 shipped for the M2200, and $165 shipped for the M200.biggrin.gif

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7 years later and all 7 of my 2200's have literally more then 10,000 hours on them (projector alone has more then that) of HARD listening and they still sound brand new. I now run them to a mix of my legacy Polks and Paradigm Reference's that I'm slowly migrating to. I've never felt the need in anyway to replace them.

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A little over two years and no complaints. I just sold my CLS and am in process of building two Pi Seven Cornerhorns.
I am hoping the noise floor is quiet enough for 101db speakers...
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I wanted to post about another great example of Outlaw's customer service. I called to order 3 of these amps and mentioned to the staff person my regret at waiting a few weeks to place my order thus missing out on their Father's Day sale. He asked me to hold and came back a minute later and told me they would sell me 3 at the sale price. Saved about $80 vs. the buy 3 special they offer. Thanks Outlaw and I am looking forward to adding these to my system.
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Those of you with stacks of these amps: what are you using for a trigger? The manual states that one shouldn't daisy-chain more than 2 amps on a single trigger line. Is there some kind of a "trigger distribution" system available?

I want to avoid using the signal sensing trigger.
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There is no reason to use a trigger, the auto sensing feature works perfectly unless of course you have the volume at inaudible levels. I've got 3 of these and have been using that instead of having to deal with triggers and their setup. I highly recommend. Still amazed at how cool they run - and I have mine in a cabinet. Oppo 103 gets warmer then the amps. Let me know if you have any other questions.

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There is no reason to use a trigger, the auto sensing feature works perfectly unless of course you have the volume at inaudible levels. I've got 3 of these and have been using that instead of having to deal with triggers and their setup. I highly recommend.
That's nice to know, and thanks, but I was looking for info on triggering setups.
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****Is there some kind of a "trigger distribution" system available?
https://emotiva.com/products/accessories/et-3

I use one in my system, and it works as advertised.

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https://emotiva.com/products/accessories/et-3

I use one in my system, and it works as advertised.
Thanks, that's the sort of thing I was interested in. Also considering a "master-slave" type power strip with the 1st amp as the master, but I'm not sure if the amp will play nice with that.

Will these amps trigger the output even if no trigger line is attached to the trigger input?
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Thanks, that's the sort of thing I was interested in. Also considering a "master-slave" type power strip with the 1st amp as the master, but I'm not sure if the amp will play nice with that.
I don't see why not, honestly. That would work, too. Might even save a little power over keeping them in standby, because most of those strips completely shut down power to the switched outlets until the main outlet is triggered.

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Will these amps trigger the output even if no trigger line is attached to the trigger input?
The amps won't trigger it. You need an AVR or pre-pro with either a 12V trigger out or a switched power outlet on the back. You can plug the ET-3 into the switched outlet, and turning it on will fire the triggers.

If your AVR/PP has neither, then a smart-strip is your only real option, if signal-sensing turn-on is unacceptable.

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I don't see why not, honestly. That would work, too. Might even save a little power over keeping them in standby, because most of those strips completely shut down power to the switched outlets until the main outlet is triggered.
My uncertainty was due to the fact that the amp in standby might not be seen as "off" by the power strip, but I think they usually have a threshold of sensitivity.

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If your AVR/PP has neither, then a smart-strip is your only real option, if signal-sensing turn-on is unacceptable.
The AVR has 2 trigger outputs, but apparently you can only put 2 amps on each one, (per the Outlaw spec), hence the original question. I note the ET-3 specs state you can put 3 devices on each trigger line. What's not clear about the Outlaw spec is whether they mean 2 amps total on the trigger line, or 2 additional amps after the 1st. (3 total) I would like to avoid blowing the trigger output.
It appears that Outlaw is saying the damage would be to the AVR, and is just recommending a safe load to the AVR.
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My uncertainty was due to the fact that the amp in standby might not be seen as "off" by the power strip, but I think they usually have a threshold of sensitivity.
Fair point. I don't know.

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The AVR has 2 trigger outputs, but apparently you can only put 2 amps on each one, (per the Outlaw spec), hence the original question. I note the ET-3 specs state you can put 3 devices on each trigger line. What's not clear about the Outlaw spec is whether they mean 2 amps total on the trigger line, or 2 additional amps after the 1st. (3 total) I would like to avoid blowing the trigger output.
Each trigger on the ET3 can do 150mA of current. A typical trigger needs 50mA to turn on. I think that's where the 3 triggers on each line comes from.

Also, I don't think you'd blow the trigger on your AVR/PP so much as the trigger just wouldn't work until you reduced the load on it. I shorted the trigger on my ET-3 a few times (rigging up a trigger to a basement subwoofer amp using the 8th channel of a Mogami mike-cable snake, with the other 7 channels being for my multisub system) and it still works just fine.

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FWIW, I've decided to try one of these:
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Since I have to use a power strip anyway.

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Wow, these little amps really sound sweet. I'm impressed. Note that I'm coming from a Sunfire Signature 405x5 amp, so I'm not easy to impress.
I got 3 of these for my front stage, and like them so much I may cave and get a couple more. I'm sold on Outlaw, and on mono blocks.
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